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Bloodshed puts new focus on vitriol in politics (Liberal rags still blame everyone else except self)
msnbc ^ | 1/9/2011 | By CARL HULSE and KATE ZERNIKE

Posted on 01/09/2011 8:01:07 AM PST by tobyhill

The shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and others at a neighborhood meeting in Arizona on Saturday set off what is likely to be a wrenching debate over anger and violence in American politics.

While the exact motivations of the suspect in the shootings remained unclear, an Internet site tied to the man, Jared Lee Loughner, contained antigovernment ramblings. And regardless of what led to the episode, it quickly focused attention on the degree to which inflammatory language, threats and implicit instigations to violence have become a steady undercurrent in the nation’s political culture.

Clarence W. Dupnik, the Pima County sheriff, seemed to capture the mood of the day at an evening news conference when he said it was time for the country to “do a little soul-searching.”

“It’s not unusual for all public officials to get threats constantly, myself included,” Sheriff Dupnik said. “That’s the sad thing about what’s going on in America: pretty soon we’re not going to be able to find reasonable, decent people willing to subject themselves to serve in public office.”

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: giffords; jaredleeloughner; jaredloughner; loughner; pyscholoughner

1 posted on 01/09/2011 8:01:09 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

It’s all Sarah Palin’s fault!!!


2 posted on 01/09/2011 8:02:12 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: tobyhill

The constant drum roll of demonization coming lately from the likes of Dean and Nadler are at fault.


3 posted on 01/09/2011 8:04:08 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: null and void; wita
"...vitriol..."

Yep, the new favorite word...

4 posted on 01/09/2011 8:04:20 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: tobyhill

Clarence W. Dupnik, the Pima County sheriff, is a wild-eyed JBT, based on his rambling rant yesterday.


5 posted on 01/09/2011 8:04:49 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: moovova

And just who was the politician who said “if they bring a knife, we bring a gun”????

I haven’t had the stomach to follow all this, so I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this. I’m so disgusted by how the libs jumped on this with the blame game without any facts.

I just hope people see through them and they are further discredited.


6 posted on 01/09/2011 8:14:32 AM PST by kevslisababy
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To: tobyhill
it quickly focused attention on the degree to which inflammatory language, threats and implicit instigations to violence have become a steady undercurrent in the nation’s political culture.

What we need to do is loudly quote Obama's violent rhetoric. He told people to "Get in their face" And 'If they bring a knife, you bring a gun".

7 posted on 01/09/2011 8:15:50 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: tobyhill

The thing is that they are always correct
and you are always wrong (or even evil)
therefor -
there is no need to discuss the obvious.

(at least in their mind of minds).


8 posted on 01/09/2011 8:19:41 AM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: BenLurkin

what the hell is a JBT?

your posting would be more interesting if you made it clear by using English and not Englishese.

How the bloody hell are we all to know what a JBT is?


9 posted on 01/09/2011 8:22:17 AM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: tobyhill

This......from MSNBC? Olberman. Madow. Schultz.........


10 posted on 01/09/2011 8:31:59 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: tobyhill

The press are the ones that are irresponsible and ratchet up the rhetoric. They are responsible in part for this. They create controversy and report on it. This story of the shooting is a prime example of them directing acrimony toward a group they disagree with politically. The crazy accusatory partisan rhetoric of the press is destroying our country.


11 posted on 01/09/2011 8:36:10 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: jongaltsr; BenLurkin

Grandma will tell you. It means jack booted thug.


12 posted on 01/09/2011 8:37:26 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: tobyhill

Why did this sheriff ignore the timebomb/Loughner? How did this timebomb have a gun with his history of outbursts including, On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”

Below is a link to an excellent article about this insane killer:

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/article_663d67a8-0e82-569b-a2fe-46306174e1fe.html

Suspect in rampage called ‘very disturbed’

TIM STELLER Arizona Daily Star azdailysun.com

The man arrested for opening fire at a community meeting held by U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Saturday — killing six people and injuring 13 others — disrupted classes at Pima Community College, tried to manipulate his dreams and posted rambling messages on the Internet.

The suspected shooter is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old who lives on the northwest side. He is mentally unstable and may have had an accomplice, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Saturday evening.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima, from which he was suspended Sept. 29 for code-of-conduct violations, said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Dupnik said the suspected shooter has made death threats before and been contacted by law-enforcement officers. The threats weren’t against Giffords, Dupnik said.
Investigators are looking for a second person who may be an accomplice, Dupnik said.

“We are not convinced he acted alone,” Dupnik said of the shooter. “We have photos,” he said, of a man in his 50s.

“There’s some reason to believe that (the shooter) came to this location with another individual. And there’s reason to believe the other individual would in some way be involved,” he said.

Loughner has several online accounts, which suggest he has spent most of his life on the northwest side: His MySpace profile says he attended Thornydale Elementary School, Tortolita Middle School and Mountain View High School.

As a middle school student, Loughner was “kind of an outcast,” said Shannin Macey, who said via e-mail she attended Tortolita and Mountain View with him.

In high school, Loughner was in jazz band and played the saxophone, but he dropped out in junior year, said Tommy Marriotti, who was a high-school friend of Loughner. At the time he dropped out, Loughner was having drug problems, Marriotti said, but he seemed to do well once he started taking classes at Pima.

Loughner attended Pima courses from summer 2005 until he withdrew in October after his suspension, the college said.

He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008 but was rejected, said First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson. Loughner was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical, but “he was found to be unqualified,” Homme said.

Loughner registered to vote for the first time in 2006, said Chris Roads, Pima County’s registrar of voters. He registered as an independent and last voted in the 2008 general election.

Sorenson, Loughner’s classmate at Pima, said he was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class.

Pima officials said in a news release that from February to September 2010, Loughner had five contacts with PCC police for classroom and library disruptions at Northwest and West campuses.

Another Pima classmate, Lydian Ali, said Loughner would frequently laugh aloud to himself during the advanced-poetry class they attended. Only about 16 people were in the class, so Loughner’s behavior stood out, Ali said.

“It almost seemed like he was on his own planet, because his comments would have nothing to do with what we were talking about,” Ali said.

Loughner’s online accounts contain some political comments but are dominated by bizarre discussions of his desire to establish a new currency and his disdain for what he considered the public’s low literacy rates. He also wrote threatening and despairing messages.

“WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn’t anyone talk to me? ..” he posted on MySpace Dec. 14.

On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”

In a posting on YouTube, Loughner wrote repeatedly about a new currency. “I’m thinking of creating a new currency,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.”

He also wrote repeatedly about literacy. In a message on YouTube, Loughner wrote: “The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate — hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.”

In a message posted on his MySpace account, titled “Goodbye friends,”Loughner said: “Dear friends...please don’t be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven’t talked to one person who is literate.” It was unclear when it was posted.

In a MySpace profile, Loughner said “My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college.” Conscious dreaming is trying to manipulate your dreams, an interest Loughner pursued, Marriotti said.

He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. But he also includes a broad variety of other titles, including: “Animal Farm,” “Brave New World,” “To Kill a Mockingbird,” and “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.

In another YouTube message, Loughner said: “I know who’s listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don’t know this accurate information of a new currency, aren’t aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn’t have happen.”

“In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming! Thank you!”

In a YouTube video dated Dec. 15, titled “Introduction: Jared Loughner,” he describes himself as a U.S. military recruit who had applied to join the Army.

In the video, Loughner makes a rambling mention of “MEPS in Phoenix” an apparent reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station in the state capital that all Arizona recruits from every branch of service pass through before leaving for basic training. “Every United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests,” it said. “Jared Loughner is a United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.
“I didn’t write a belief on my Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.”

Sgt. Homme declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.

Loughner has had at least two minor run-ins with police, online court records show.

In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff’s Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program.

One year later, in October 2008, Loughner faced a “local charge” in Marana Municipal Court. That charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009.

Court records indicate the Marana case file is due to be purged in December 2013. It’s unclear what the exact charge was.

Grant Wiens, 22, attended Mountain View High School with Loughner, although they were not in the same grade. Wiens also took a class at Pima Community College with Loughner, where they occasionally talked, he said.

“He was a guy in high school who definitely had his opinions on stuff and didn’t seem to care what people thought of him,” Wiens said. “He did his own thing.”

Star reporters Carol Ann Alaimo, Alex Dalenberg, Fernanda Echavarri, Patrick Finley, Ernesto Portillo Jr. and Sarah Trotto contributed to this report.


13 posted on 01/09/2011 8:58:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

” ... if Letterman actually meant to smear Palin’s older daughter, Bristol. Either way, it’s classless, although an argument could be made that Bristol is somehow fair-game as she gave media interviews, etc. I don’t buy that argument, fwiw.

But even if Letterman did mean Bristol: where’s the apology, now that it should have become clear to him that it was the underage Willow who attended the game?

Jim Treacher has great coverage of the entire episode here, including a new video where Letterman suggests Palin’s daughter (again, we don’t know which daughter) is a prostitute: http://jimtreacher.com/archives/002078.html";


14 posted on 01/09/2011 9:01:07 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: tobyhill
At some point there will be a second Civil War. I may not live long enough to see it, but it will happen.

Listening to this crap reminds me of the Nazis torching the Reichstag and blaming the Communists for it. Then it was on to the Jews because they had to blame somebody for the bad economy and Germany's decline.

15 posted on 01/09/2011 9:06:17 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Earlier I was reading the local paper readers comments (Anchorage Daily News) about the shooting, the fury is reaching very volatile levels, the posters appear to sound just like the anti- Joe Miller and Sarah Palin haters, except they are openly discussing terror threats against the Palins in Wasilla.

I would say right now is a very dangerous time indeed, and I sincerely hope there is no incident of violence against the Palins, because its my home town they are targeting, my neighbors. My turf.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 9:11:36 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: kevslisababy
“if they bring a knife, we bring a gun”????

Good point. I'd mentioned something along those lines in an earlier thread:

"I'd venture to say most Americans are well past falling for the lies and dirty tricks used by the far left MSM, politicians and talking heads. This kind of garbage was a key element in the MASSIVE DEFEAT the Democrats suffered in November '10. Continued use of these tactics just adds nails to their coffin. We've woken up...and we're not going back to sleep!"

17 posted on 01/09/2011 9:12:30 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: tobyhill
While the exact motivations of the suspect in the shootings remained unclear

Well, I'll take a stab at it. He was f'ing crazy? Sound about right?

A schizophrenic loner goes on a shooting rampage and the Left is trying to blame Sarah Palin and Tea Parties. Shameful.

I was but a young child many years ago when another obviously crazy person tried to take out a president. Seemed we had the good sense back then to refrain from politicizing John Hinkley's act of insanity. He was crazy, plain and simple, same as yesterday.

18 posted on 01/09/2011 9:18:10 AM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: Eye of Unk
Is it just me, or is this reminiscent of the “Shot heard round the world”?

I think the Left is certifiably insane. Imagine if some nut took a shot at Obama. There would be buildings and cars burning as we speak and a whole lotta dead White folks.

19 posted on 01/09/2011 9:21:52 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: tobyhill

Who the f... is Dupnick, anyway? This shooter is no different than the whack job that shot Reagan, or the guy that shot John Lennon. Why give him any credibility at all?

Barney Fife should keep his brilliant analysis to himself.


20 posted on 01/09/2011 9:35:12 AM PST by bobzeetwin
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To: Grampa Dave

Hi, Grandpa Dave -

Thanks for such a great run down of this killer.

The way I see the story of the week is this is a manifestation of what I was fearing and expounding on eight or so years ago for months - that if we don’t squash terrorism as a tool in political discourse we will revert to a civilization of city states and walled cities... where people will associate only with those who they know well, and do their best to stay out of contact with everyone else.

What bugs me most about the MTP panel just aired here is that not a single one of these Dems has any clue that the way they jammed bills through into legislation during the last years despite having so much public opposition to much of it has created the “lack of civility”. Backroom deals and parliamentary tricks do not build trust in government. Perhaps they should take to heart that the American people currently rate Congress as low as it has ever been for such reasons. The blame the volatile atmosphere on everyone outside the Congress, when in fact it is due to themselves.

Glenn Beck has been warning about this (worrying about violence) and asking people to pray for the country for nearly a year now... again he has been very ahead of the curve.


21 posted on 01/09/2011 10:27:59 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: DJ MacWoW
Grandma will tell you. It means jack booted thug.

And I bet you your grandma never used the abbreviation JBT because she used English as it was meant to be not as a hip form of social snobbery.

Sorry to be so harsh but using abbreviations without defining those abbreviations will only confuse and irritate people who are not privy to your particular definition. For all I (we) know, you could have meant "Just Being Thoughtful", or "Jolly Big Thing" or any number of things.

Speak and write English properly and you will communicate more easily - as well as being seen as a person of greater intellect and sophistication.

22 posted on 01/09/2011 4:22:51 PM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: jongaltsr
And I bet you your grandma never used the abbreviation JBT

Well this Grandma does. :-)

And it appears frequently on LEO threads.

(Pssst I think your underwear is too tight)

23 posted on 01/09/2011 4:27:09 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: jongaltsr
Oh and, dearling, I never used the term. Another poster did. I only clarified what it meant. And, before you lecture others? You might want to stop using BOLD and shouting at people.

Have a good evening dear.

24 posted on 01/09/2011 4:30:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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