Skip to comments.Wave goodbye to Internet freedom
Posted on 12/04/2010 1:37:27 PM PST by Graneros
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is poised to add the Internet to its portfolio of regulated industries. The agency's chairman, Julius Genachowski, announced Wednesday that he circulated draft rules he says will "preserve the freedom and openness of the Internet." No statement could better reflect the gulf between the rhetoric and the reality of Obama administration policies.
With a straight face, Mr. Genachowski suggested that government red tape will increase the "freedom" of online services that have flourished because bureaucratic busybodies have been blocked from tinkering with the Web. Ordinarily, it would be appropriate at this point to supply an example from the proposed regulations illustrating the problem. Mr. Genachowski's draft document has over 550 footnotes and is stamped "non-public, for internal use only" to ensure nobody outside the agency sees it until the rules are approved in a scheduled Dec. 21 vote. So much for "openness."
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Freepers howling for Julian Assange's head and the dismantling of Wikileaks had better think again. If the FCC or any other agency brings down Wikileaks for printing the truth they'll have no problem getting rid of Rush, Fox News, or any website they deem subversive and yes that will include Free Republic.
Herr Goebbels' spirit is alive and well in the USA.
The House should bring this dick head Genachowski in for waterboarding first chance.
the fcc is another puppet...
None of FR, Fox, Rush have gone and spied out classified or secret diplomatic documents, nor have they ever shown signs of caring to do so. If repercussions cannot be brought upon an out and out spy who uses the internet as his bulletin board, whom can they be brought upon?
The real enemy of the administration:
The house should water-board themselves then shoot themselves.
The New House the present morons are in bed with the nitwit in chief.
The FCC is among my top 10 list of federal agencies that need their budgets slashed so hard that they can’t afford to function. We now control the purse strings and we made it clear that reducing the size of government was a top priority so get ready to start cutting where it counts.
“The House should bring this dick head Genachowski in for waterboarding first chance.”
Agreed. Heck, I already wanted to see them hung from a lamppost for imposing digital TV on us.
I tell you, the so-called do-gooders in government have been doing nothing but make our lives as irritating as possible. They junk a TV system that had worked perfectly fine for decades so cell-phone companies could have more bandwidth, they want to force crappy, mercury-filled light bulbs on us, low-flush toilets that don’t actually save any water, and now they think they can impose Chinese-style internet censoring?
From past palaver about this matter, it looks like it is a looie libertarian push to ban ISPs from furnishing cut-rate premium content associated with themselves which other ISP customers would have to pay the full rate to get. If this is being pushed to an out-and-out viewpoint discrimination, I’d think this would go to the USSC as a First Amendment case pretty quick.
I am 68 a lot of my friends have passed, this is a temporary and disturbing part of life, my goal is to live long enough to see these people brought down.
Start calling members of the new Congress 24/7 demanding they do something about the current police state!
When they are finished, the only “freedom” left will be the “freedom” to be a pervert of one variety or another.
There needs to be tea parties being held this month and continually throughout the year, both to keep the pressure up and to find candidates to take the reigns of power from establishment Republicans.
Wickileaks is already down, and Assauge has an arrest warrant issued by Interpol.
I'm 47 and can say the same thing.
A federal court already has ruled that the FCC does not have authority to do this. The new Congress should reverse this ASAP and start budget cuts with the FCC.
Does anyone know of any planned protests of this for the day it will be done?
It’d be a shame if they get away with this without a scene of some sort being made.
I’m with you Brother. Another typical Democrat/Progressive/Commie Sh*tbird. Julius Genachowski was nominated by President Barack Obama to a seat on the Federal Communications Commission on March 23, 2009. He is also the Chairman of that commission. He was unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate on June 25, 2009, and sworn in as FCC Commissioner on June 29, 2009.
Here is another interesting article on this subject you may like.
After all, the government thinks that you can't have average American citizens seeing their masters' plans before they're implemented.
To paraphrase Nancy Peloozer, let's just pass the thing so that people can see what's in it.
The FCC is poised to unilaterally claim privately-run networks into
its regulatory and monitoring purview.
Of particular interest will be the enforcement angle of all this.
ISPs will be prohibited from throttling bandwidth hogging applications
and streams, even in times of high demand. Now how will that rule be
enforced? By monitoring, of course. ISPs already must surrender to
governmental demands for wiretaps, Magic Lantern snoop installations,
email and browsing history records, etc. This is just another layer.
Don’t think this will be limited to ISPs. Private networks, VPNs,
VOIP services, mobile-phone data links and home WiFi networks will
soon need monitoring and policing too. After all, terrorists and drug
dealers could be using them! What, you don’t agree? You must be
I’m sure they’re doing it for the children. The useful idiot common “liberals” won’t mind if it is for the children.
Just tell “conservatives” that they’re doing it to catch terrorists or “Bad people” and they’ll get behind it.
What exactly are you saying?
From my experience, all the libertarians I know want the government to keep its dirty hands off the internet and not regulate it at all if they don’t want the FCC abolished outright.
The ones who want regulation regarding traffic volume and rates are Google and the google sycophants you find in university computer science departments.
“To paraphrase Nancy Peloozer, let’s just pass the thing so that people can see what’s in it.”
That sort of behavior actually isn’t new to American politics. Used to be that in the early years of the US, all Congressional meetings were kept secret. IIRC, it was this way up to about the middle of the 19th century.
You bring up a good point with your statement “None of FR, Fox, Rush have gone and spied out classified or secret diplomatic documents...” So true but neither has Wikileaks or Julian Assange.
Think of Assange and Wikileaks as you would of Woodward and Bernstein reporting for the Washington Post back in the Watergate scandal days. With Assange being Woodward and Bernstein and Wikileaks the Washington Post. I’m pretty sure Woodward and Bernstein won Pulitzer prizes for that. At the time more than a few conservatives wished that story would have disappeared. There was no love for those 2 but they didn’t break any laws and neither has Assange or Wikileaks. In fact Woodward and Bernstein won Pulitzer prizes for their reporting.
My main point of the original post was to shine a light on the problems of having the internet fall under the jurisdiction of the FCC. I used the Wikileaks current events story to press home the point. In retrospect I should have used something else so as to keep the conversation on point.
Kackicat says “Wickileaks is already down, and Assauge has an arrest warrant issued by Interpol.”
Wickileaks is not down. Go here:
Interpol has issued their warrant against Assange for a charge that has nothing to do with Wikileaks. Well it probably does in a devious and scary way. But I won’t go there.
So what exactly is your point?
Supporters of sabotage against the United States are no different than the American Communists who were quietly enacting the Communist Manifesto until Senator Joe McCarthy stood up to stop it.
If Senator Joe McCarthy were alive today, he would be right in including you as an ally of George Soros and his puppet Assange.
It was closed yesterday according to this article?
Anyone going to that website now could put their computer at risk for viruses or cyber attacks, and I would not go there, it might be a fake.
Are you sure that is where the link is actually taking you now?
Hopefully The Jester will slap this new location around a little.
The FCC was going to take this step even without Assange. He’s just a convenient poster boy for this administration.
The internet is a big, big thing, and techies are alive and well throughout this great country. The government can’t keep kiddie porn, spam or conservative view points off the web (not, by the way, that the first two are something for which I’m advocating). Once the government plugs one hole, another opens up. It’s the nature of technology. The government can’t come up with anything that some ingenious (or “lucky”) geek can’t work his way around. The government may like to think of itself as all powerful, but in the realm of technology they’re wildly outclassed. Geeks the world around are an independent bunch who like a challenge, AND don’t much like being told what they can or can’t read/hear.
As for Rush, I’d guess he already has a contingency plan in place. There are several routes he could go, and I expect that he has more than one back-up in the event that plying his craft in the USA becomes too cumbersome.
Has ANY law give the FCC the authority to do what they are proposing to do? Or is this an outright coupe and seizure of power?
>> Yes, it seems Assange is becoming more of an ally than an enemy.
Judge Napolatino agrees.
Arbeit macht frei!
Government Slogans and government statements can be duplicitous as the Jews found out when they went docilely into the extermination camps.
Control of the internet is absolutely necessary to stop the worldwide spread of individual thought and exchange of information.
“Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?... Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?... The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinkingnot needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
Then nothing more needs to be done. When the FCC issues their new illegal ruling, the leaders in Congress just need to call a press conference and announce that the rules have already been deemed to be illegal by the SC and for everyone to simply ignore them. If the FCC tries to enforce these illegal rules, the head of the FCC will be arrested.
Whatever is at that address doesn’t even answer to a ping now.
Well pal you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree. I’ve long argued that Senator Joe McCarthy was 100% right. He has long been one of my heroes. I, like Senator McCarthy, abhor communists and their “useful idiots.”
Where you and I differ is in the US Constitution. I believe in the 1st Amendment where as you, like Communists and other Progressives obviously do not. If you dont like what others have to say then you dont believe they have the right to publish. I on the hand other do. Assange and Wikileaks have broken no laws.
I can tell you you if Senator McCarthy were alive today and gave a rat’s butt what you, or I for that matter, opined about, you and not I would be on his short list of those whose politics more closely mirror Soros and his minions. Personal attacks such as your post ARE tactics of George Soros and his puppets.
I could come down a lot harder on your absurd post but I doubt you are a Commie and we probably are in agreement on more topics than not so I’ll stop there.
You are correct. Earlier it was a good link. I checked before my previous post. And now suddenly it is gone. That should scare the hell out of all freedom loving people everywhere.
Wikileaks has mirror sites all over the world. It would take someone or something, say a government agency, with a lot of juice to scour the net and get them all. Big Sis has eyes and ears everywhere. Is it possible She is monitoring FR? Oh silly me of course that can’t be possible. Besides our Gov’t wouldn’t break the law and take down someones LEGAL internet site. Would they? I mean, after all, our Gov’t agencies still abide by the 1st amendment to the US Constitution. Don’t they?
Do not put words in my mouth Mao-Tse boy. You would have supported the Rosenbergs stealing secrets for the Soviets. What your buddy Assange has done as an anarchist in his actions as a Soros' puppet has caused irreparable harm to my country.Graneros wrote: "Well pal you're definitely barking up the wrong tree."
He is equally hated in his own Australia and in free countries throughout the world because of his heinous act.
The American traitor who gave Assange military accessed top secrets is looking at serving a life sentence for his dreadful act of conspiracy against the United State.
However, not a word leaked about your good friends in the FSP, Putin or the Chinese. Wonder why that is.
Bite your tongue, I'm not your pal nor will I be a "pal" to anyone who like you, has openly and fervently supported the crimes of a spy, an anarchist against my country.
You seem to be the expert on putting words in someone’s mouth. You said:
“You would have supported the Rosenbergs stealing secrets for the Soviets. What your buddy Assange has done...”
Fact of the matter that is slander on your part. I said nothing about the Rosenbergs. Nor have I ever claimed friendship with Assange. But for the benefit of any Freepers who are following this idiotic exchange I will say the Rosenbergs truly were spies and got what they deserved. And although I’m not crazy about Assange, he is not a spy and has not broken any laws. You need to be careful what you say.
Now, I never put any words in your mouth. I simply used your own words. And I’ll do it one last time. You said:
“However, not a word leaked about your good friends in the FSP, Putin or the Chinese. Wonder why that is.”
Although I assume the end of that rant, “Wonder why that is.”(?) is a rhetorical question I’ll answer it literally and tell you why that is. Because the ChiComs and Putin don’t believe in freedom of the press. I don’t know who or what the FSP is so I’ll not address that. Also if your brain was capable of reading and understanding anything I’ve written you’d know that Communists are no friends of mine. But it sure sounds to me like YOU are defending their tactics. So I wonder who is their friend here?
But enough of that. Continue on with your mindless blather. I’m done with you. I’ve already spent more time on you than your worth. I was once told only a fool argues with an idiot. And I’m no fool. But you on the other hand... I’m sure you can figure out the rest of that statement. But then again... probably not.
Attempting to put words in my mouth is classic dezinformatsia and thus has painted you in the corner with your buddy Assange and his puppet-master George Soros.Graneros wrote: "You need to be careful what you say."
Is that a threat?
It’s not libertarians pushing, it is everyone who fears being shut out by the providers. The problem here is that Congress allowed monopoly over the last mile. Phone companies, Cable companies pretty much control the pipeline to your home. This scares people like, say, Apple and Google and Amazon and media manufacturers like Disney and folks who make entertainment. Theoretically, your cable company (mine is Time Warner) could cut deals that favor some content over others and even prohibit some content. Not sure what the solution is. I favor property rights but these entities have monopolies.
The ISPs don't have legitimate "property rights" over something the government gave away to them. For example, I didn't have any say over Verizon running a FIOS line under my driveway to reach the rest of the houses on the street -- if it were a true "property rights" issue, I could tell them to get lost or make them pay whatever price I saw fit to dictate.
Yes, the people should have been allowed to debate where the D-Day Landings would take place.