Skip to comments.High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle they face $100 fine
Posted on 08/20/2010 8:00:42 AM PDT by goldendays
High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they face $100 fine
Trash carts containing more than 10 percent recyclable material could lead to a $100 fine, according to Waste Collection Commissioner Ronnie Owens. Recyclables include glass, metal cans, plastic bottles, paper and cardboard. City Council on Wednesday approved spending $2.5 million on high-tech carts for 25,000 households across the city, expanding a pilot program that began in 2007 with 15,000 households.
The expansion will continue at 25,000 households a year until nearly all of the city's 150,000 residences are included. Existing carts might be retrofitted with the microchips. "We're trying to automate our system to be a more efficient operation," Owens said. "This chip will assist us in doing our job better."
The chip-embedded carts are just starting to catch on elsewhere. The Washington, D.C. suburb of Alexandria, Va., earlier this year announced it would issue carts to check whether people are recycling.
Some cities in England have used the high-tech trash carts for several years to weigh how much garbage people throw out. People are charged extra for exceeding allotted limits.
Cleveland officials want to automate nearly all residential waste collection under a program being financed in part by a new fee that went into effect earlier this year.
The automated trucks allow drivers to remain in the cab and empty carts using a remote-control arm. Cleveland owns three of these trucks and plans to buy nine more. Recycling is good for the environment and the city's bottom line, officials said. Cleveland pays $30 a ton to dump garbage in landfills, but earns $26 a ton for recyclables.
The city last year sent 220,000 tons of garbage to landfills and collected 5,800 tons of recyclables. City Council approved updated trash collection ordinances last month to include a section on automated waste collection and curbside recycling.
The new law changes infractions of the law from a minor misdemeanor to a civil penalty. The recycling law only applies to residents who have been issued the carts.
The new law also prohibits people from setting out excessive amounts of trash on tree lawns, which officials say has been an ongoing problem. Fines for excessive trash will range from $250 to $500 depending on the amount.
In either case, the property owner receives the citation. Landlords are responsible for making sure their tenants follow the law.
Owens said Cleveland will conduct a public-service campaign to educate residents about the new collection system and recycling program.
The city stepped up enforcement of ordinances governing trash collection last year by issuing 2,900 tickets, nearly five times more tickets than in 2008. Those infractions include citations for people who put out their trash too early or fail to bring in their garbage cans from the curb in a timely manner.
The Division of Waste Collection is on track to meet its goal of issuing 4,000 citations this year, Owens said. "We're trying to make sure Cleveland stays clean and residents are properly informed on how these things should be set out," he said. "By issuing these tickets, it's helping us change the attitude or perception on how things should be set out."
Councilman Martin Keane, who represents the West Park neighborhood, said he would prefer that the Division of Waste Collection use more discretion when deciding whether to issue a ticket. A warning in many instances would suffice, he said.
"Everybody knows the ones who blatantly disregards the law," Keane said. "Those are the people we should hit with a $100 ticket."
I guess they want to drive any remaining productive citizens out, once and for all.
It’s a bad place. Started when Boy Wonder Kucinich took it into municipal bankruptcy in the 80s.
At that point I left.
Inherited a house up there last year, selling it is a nightmare.
I say this not as a guy who wants to pooh-pooh the benefits of recycling (I do it, I think everyone should), but as one who wants to pooh-pooh the benefits of big nanny government.
I’ll be the first to say it-— “Just a lot of lard arse bureaucrats with too much time on their hands”
It’s better they play solitaire on their computers for 7 hours a day. Instead they blow money on high tech garbage trucks and hassle taxpayers
“Isn’t Cleveland one of those labor-union, socialist, hell-hole utopias like Detroit “
Yes it is! When I go downtown, for any reason, I carry.
Mr Chip meet Mr Hammer.....
Think how much fun it would be to distribute your recyclables into the trash of your granola hippie neighbors....
No kidding. If I had one of those bins with a chip in it... it might “accidentally” meet the business end of a hammer.
The country is falling apart thanks to a bunch of marxists, and they are fining people for not sorting their garbage!
Please tell me this is from a 3rd rate sci fi novel.
I am sure there is a money trail between some politician and the company who provides the equipment.
...I’ve got my doubts on whether this will work...snart chip or not...some folks just won’t make the effort...a while back Washington DC made a big appeal to residents to recycle...they figured the city could make millions a year by salvaging metals/plastic/cardboard...the better off neighborhoods complied...the bad neighborhoods were indifferent.
This article is complete horse$hit.
1) The “chipping” is just an RFID tag that allows the trash-truck/recycle-trucks’s computer to log a particular can to a particular issued-to address.
2) There is no way no how that any “smart-bin” can identify 10% recyclable material in a given bin. Even if each piece of recyclable trash had an RFID identifier in it, you still would need to know the weight of each empty bottle/can to calculate that.
Thus, the LIKELY method they use (deduced in spite of the idiotic article) is that the city is tracking the weight of your particular trash bin and your particular recycle bin, and penalizing you if you don’t have say 10lbs of recycled material for every 100lbs of trash-trash in the other bin.
THAT is possible.
But also stupid.
A) wedge a brick or path paver in your recycle bin to make sure it’s always above the 10% limit.
B) Be sure to run the hose on the bin after you put the newspaper in it. “A pint is a pound the world around!”
C) Put on some “Ramones” and ‘Beat your bin with a baseball bat.’ (Be sure to have multiple hits from ‘kids’ who happened to whack the RFID chip...)
It's not for increasing compliance. It's for increasing NON-compliance.
They just need an excuse to force you to voluntarily pay more fines.
Big Brother is watching!
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I don’t understand. How does a chip know what is being put in the trash can?
Also a “nice” touch about the property owner getting the citation... Bet the landlord going after his “not-green-enough” tenants is going to be fun.
if you don,t pay the fine government will take your home
I do no weld. I do not own welding equipment. I did, however get married a few years ago, and one of the presents we got and rarely use is a creme brulee kit that comes with a flamey-thing that cooks and browns the sugar on top of the brulee.
I have been advised to apply that to the RFID device, from the inside, so as to avoid any scorch marks.
In Philly, they have the equivalent of recylcing police. I’ve talked to residents, these green meter maids actually check your trashcans and have a handheld device that they can generate citations with. This is their idea of “Green jobs”, I suppose.
it comeing to very state
Cleveland pays $30 a ton to dump garbage in landfills, but earns $26 a ton for recyclables.
They should do the same for the customer. They should be charged so much for garbage and then given a credit for their recycling. THey would probably get 99% of the people recycling. Instead they want to fine you even more money for not doing it. Sounds like the city is getting all the credit.
THAT is possible. ....yep, makes the most sense, it's the way that I'd do it.
But also stupid. ....yep, totally foolish.
You don't actually think that everything you put in the recycling bin actually gets recycled, do you? Metal does, probably. Paper might, in good times when people don't mind paying extra for "recycled content".
However, unless they've come up with a super sorting technique for plastics, I'd be astonished if more than a fraction actually gets recycled.
This article, for some reason, didn’t explain how it works.
The chip will track whether you bring the can to the curb. If you do not bring your recycling can to the curb for a certain period of weeks, this triggers a manual inspection of your garbage. Those people found to have more than 10% recycleables in their garbage will be fined.
I cant wait for big brother to try this out here.. lol
I can assure you that overnight, the desert would be filled with trash.
Its time to start resisting this kind of garbage. I am all for recycling if its voluntary, but once they FORCE me to do it.. game on. I am not going to have my garbage monitored, enough is enough.
That’s awesome, you can load your neighbor’s trashcan with beer cans and newspapers and get them fined.
Updated: 3:42 pm EDT August 4, 2010 DAYTON, Ohio — Two Senate Republicans are calling out a Dayton recycling program for what they say was wasteful spending of federal Stimulus government Stimulus dollars. Sen. John McCain and Sen. Tom Coburn identified 100 questionable Stimulus projects across the country and put Dayton on the list. The city received $500,000 to track large recycling bins with Microchips. The senators called it a waste of money. City officials told News Center 7 that Daytons..
what state are you in?
If done by weight, how does the recycling bin know that you haven’t put a non-recyclable object into it? Wetting down the newspapers (previously mentioned) seems like the easiest solution, though. Maybe a piece of steel plate bolted to the bottom of the recycle bin, painted to match the color? “Steel is recyclable, I’m just conflicted over whether to recycle it today or next time, so I bolted it to the bottom of the bin.”
The Microchips, which use radio frequency identification technology, are installed in the bin handles. Four city waste collection trucks will be equipped to read the Microchips that will be associated with specific street addresses. All the citys 60,000 households will be added to the program over several years at a total cost of $1.6 million all of it born by the U.S. Taxpayer. The Federal Government awarded Dayton a $1.6 million Energy Efficiency and...
The City I lived in previously had specific instructions on how things could be recycled.
Newspaper needed to be separated and put in paper bags/boxes. Fair enough, besides having a "paper bin" that got tossed every other week made things a little easier for us.
What set me off was when they said "Glass containers / cans / plastics need to be thoroughly rinsed out before placement in the recycling bin."
I draw the line at needing to wash my garbage before I throw it away.
Nevada, a tiny town about 60 miles outside of Vegas.
Stimulus bill that no one read
Using a hammer is too obvious.
Mr. Chip, meet Mr. EMP blast!
EMP...the blast that lasts.
United Nation’s Agenda 21 Program for Sustainable Development
My trash collector will accept paper, cardboard, cans, and recyclable plastic types 1 and type 2. Anything above 2 is not supposed to be recycled. Go figure.
Is anyone getting a tad upset about these endless government programs aimed at creating “proper behavior”? Frankly, we already recycle, voluntarily although since we cart our stuff off to the recycle center I wonder how much we are polluting vis a vis how much help our recycling is doing. Still, we recently were polled regarding our desire to have a recycle pickup that would just cost us about $12 a month for a bin the size of a shoe box. I said not just no, but hell no. Seat belts, fixed days for ornamental irrigation, EPA directed MPGs, mandatory Ethonol usage, on and on. This is becoming a gulog and I am tired of it.
Glad I live in the middle of no where.
This crap will only inspire people to find alternative ways to get rid of trash.
and down the drain we continue to go....
Every trash night, trucks drive around and pick up the metal. There's a guy in our neighborhood who goes through trash bins and pulls aluminum cans. Anything that is worth recycling is usually gone by the time the trash collectors show up.
Where I live, they try to force recycling to cut down on waste going to the new incinerator. Then they realized that the money they hoped to make to pay for the incinerator was based on how much garbage came in.
What a dilemma. When people started recycling more, less went to burn, so revenue went down.
Such dolts. I believe this is a fine example of unintended consequences.
Sort of like raising taxes on tobacco, impugning smokers, then whining when it works and the revenue from tobacco sales fall.