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French fishing boat rescues stranded Calif. teen (French captain fell into ocean during rescue)
Associated Press ^ | 6/12/10 | THOMAS WATKINS

Posted on 06/12/2010 7:04:01 AM PDT by jimbo123

A French fishing vessel rescued a California teenager Saturday from her crippled sailboat in the turbulent southern Indian Ocean, bringing relief to her family but ending her around-the-world sailing effort.

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To: DJ MacWoW

I have no problem with it being for personal glory. A lot of great achievements start out as endeavors for personal glory. I don’t necessarily think it was all about the record, either. Frankly, I don’t care what the motivation was. Did you ever think maybe the reason the Frenchman went to the rescue was to achieve ‘personal glory’?


151 posted on 06/12/2010 8:50:17 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Man is not free unless government is limited.)
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To: ejonesie22
You assume that all 16 year olds have lousy judgment.

You in post 118:Indeed this young lady with all the equipment, training and such was taking less risk than many 16 year olds take everyday driving while texting or distracted by friends in 4000 pound machines going 60 MPH.

152 posted on 06/12/2010 8:52:05 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Mich Patriot

The French sailors were saving a scared and freezing 16 year-old girl in the middle of the Indian Ocean who shouldn’t have put there by her parents.


153 posted on 06/12/2010 8:53:39 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: DJ MacWoW

What does the technology have to do with the “pampered puss” reference you made?

The technology helps mitigate the risks, it doesn’t mean that the girl didn’t have stones to attempt it or that she’s a “pampered puss” for taking advantage of the technology.

If she hadn’t, I can only imagine the vilification that would be going on right now. Thank God for the technology that allowed folks to know she was in trouble.

I gotta go to work, I look forward to debating/sparring later.

FRegards,
SZ


154 posted on 06/12/2010 8:54:30 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian
Did he voice those concerns directly to her and the family or is he just now coming out as some spokeshole?

I see nothing in that article that indicates he talked with the family personally about the risks.

Are you saying that her parents are too stupid and ignorant about sailing that they don't know the Indian Ocean is dangerous in winter? They need someone to tell them? I thought they were sailing geniuses? And she was highly capable because she was taught by them?

Have a good day.

155 posted on 06/12/2010 8:56:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: SZonian
But who are we to judge the motives and intent?

Isn't this a forum where we debate and give opinions? Run out of debate points?

Bye.

156 posted on 06/12/2010 8:57:23 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: jimbo123

Yeah. I read that. Mom’s due in July.


157 posted on 06/12/2010 8:57:52 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, that’s what you were implying by bringing up the sailing “expert”, were you not?

You were using him as justification for not making the attempt, now you’re saying it was up to the parents.

Now I really gotta go,

Take care,
SZ


158 posted on 06/12/2010 8:59:15 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Mich Patriot
You are free to let your kids risk their lives for ego trips. So are the Sunderlands. Just don't expect applause.

Have a nice day.

159 posted on 06/12/2010 8:59:37 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Abby’s mom is due to deliver her 8th kid any day now. As a result, Mom and Dad won’t be able to meet their daughter in port when she finally gets ther. They are some strange people.


160 posted on 06/12/2010 9:01:37 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Abby only "owned" the boat since October 19th of last year after the majority of the advertising commitments had been secured.

Safe to assume she's had sailing lessons for years, though.

161 posted on 06/12/2010 9:02:46 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: jimbo123

Indeed the French sailors are heroes.


162 posted on 06/12/2010 9:05:36 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Man is not free unless government is limited.)
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To: SZonian
What does the technology have to do with the “pampered puss” reference you made?

Indulgent parents allowing this kid to go off in an expensive yacht just because she WANTED to.

163 posted on 06/12/2010 9:05:45 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: gundog
Safe to assume she's had sailing lessons for years, though.

How many years? What type of sailing? What type of craft?
164 posted on 06/12/2010 9:06:05 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Persevero

Freedom is not about some arbitary age - at least to me. There are mature teenagers with excellent judgement that is superior to many “adults” and others who lack common sense. There are people in the 30s or 40s who have excellent judgement and many how do not.

At 16, a person is allowed to get a drivers license and go where and when they please. At 16, I could qualify for a pilot’s license - fly a plane solo whenever and where ever I want. A boat is no different to me. I could fly a plane within my home state or across the country, and why not across the world? Same with a boat - just need advanced skills. I applaud this young lady.

Where did all these FR wackos come from??? Child labor laws? Are you serious?? Assume you think it is same when a 16 year takes the family car to the grocery or on a date?


165 posted on 06/12/2010 9:06:18 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: rigelkentaurus

There does seem to be a lot of anger directed her way. She’s not a child, she’s 16. In other era’s she would be considered an adult - possibly married and raising kids already. She made the choice’s for her life, took her own risks, and in the end fell short of her goal. She should be celebrated, not insulted.


166 posted on 06/12/2010 9:07:21 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Mich Patriot
Indeed the French sailors are heroes.

Exactly. As well as the Australian SAR teams. They're the real heroes in all of this. Not foolish Abby or her Octoparents.
167 posted on 06/12/2010 9:08:29 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: SZonian
Well, that’s what you were implying by bringing up the sailing “expert”, were you not?

No. If I had simply stated that this was dangerous without a knowledgeable reference, would you accept it? No. I will not be back to hear you cheer on stupidity as if she did the world a great service. She didn't. This was a self-serving act that endangered others.

168 posted on 06/12/2010 9:08:54 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: jimbo123

Lots of interesting comments at the link you posted. Thanks!


169 posted on 06/12/2010 9:11:12 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Thank You Rush
From Abby's blog:

Hey everyone, Sorry I haven't written in so long as you probably already know I had a pretty rough couple of days. I can't write much now as I am typing on a french key pad as well as trying to stay seated in a bouncy fishing boat.

The long and the short of it is, well, one long wave, and one short mast (short meaning two inch stub.) I'll write a more detailed blog later, just wanted to let every one know I am safe and sound on a great big fishing boat headed I am not exactly sure where.

Crazy is the word that really describes everything that has happened best.

Within a few minutes of being on board the fishing boat, I was already getting calls from the press. I don't know how they got the number but it seems everybody is eager to pounce on my story now that something bad has happened.

There are plenty of things people can think of to blame for my situation; my age, the time of year and many more. The truth is, I was in a storm and you don't sail through the Indian Ocean without getting in at least one storm. It wasn't the time of year it was just a Southern Ocean storm. Storms are part of the deal when you set out to sail around the world.

As for age, since when does age create gigantic waves and storms?

I keep hitting the wrong keys and am still trying to get over the fact that I will never see my Wild Eyes again. So Ill write more later.

Abby

---------------------------------------------- To my mind she's a pretty amazing kid/girl/woman. I admire her greatly. Thank G-d we still have people like her (and her parents in this country). Whatever her motivations or her source of financing, she tried to do something great, like climbing Mt Everest, or being world's fastest race-car driver. I rather think some of the carpers here are secretly jealous of her. I know I am.

170 posted on 06/12/2010 9:12:09 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Blennos
I forgot to give the link to her blog:

Abby's Blog

171 posted on 06/12/2010 9:14:51 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Blennos

Spoiled kid.

Her first post since being rescued and she’s worried more about her lost boat than all of the people who put themselves at risk trying to save her. Including the captain of the boat who fell into the ocean trying to rescue her.

It’s telling that she didn’t thank any of her rescuers.

Shame on her and her family.


172 posted on 06/12/2010 9:16:35 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: La Lydia

***...this child, whose parents should lose custody of her immediately for letting her put her life in danger.***

I am reminded of the 11 year old girl who tried to fly around the world with her dad as co-pilot. She crashed and burned in Cheyenne or Laramie, WY.


173 posted on 06/12/2010 9:24:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Viva los SB 1070)
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To: DJ MacWoW

One has to be able to make use of that technology.


174 posted on 06/12/2010 9:25:12 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: DJ MacWoW
And because the equipment and her training so was much better prepared to handle and be aware of the situation than the unprepared kids gabbing on the cell phone.

Why is that so hard to understand?

175 posted on 06/12/2010 9:27:03 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: rigelkentaurus; Blennos

Like Theodore Roosevelt said critics don’t produce anything but criticism - after the fact - and thus don’t count in the big scheme of things. It’s always been the doer of deeds that produces what really counts. The spirit of the doer of deeds - not the spirit of criticism - produced all the wonderful things even critics take for granted. Like Blennos said in post 170 jealousy is a root of criticism. People need to be honest about that. It’s said that America has turned into a nation that loves success but hates successful people. Sad.


176 posted on 06/12/2010 9:31:58 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I remember that one, too.


177 posted on 06/12/2010 9:35:25 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Blennos

I agree with you. I asked myself— if there were lots more kids in the world like this girl, would we all be better or worse off? The world would be better, of course.

Sure, she could die. Many, many girls her age will find even more utterly pointless and futile ways to die— drugs, drinking, driving recklessly... If only some more of them had some of the stuff this girl is made of— maybe they wouldn’t have.


178 posted on 06/12/2010 9:37:47 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: dynoman
Like Theodore Roosevelt said critics don’t produce anything but criticism - after the fact - and thus don’t count in the big scheme of things. It’s always been the doer of deeds that produces what really counts. The spirit of the doer of deeds - not the spirit of criticism - produced all the wonderful things even critics take for granted. Like Blennos said in post 170 jealousy is a root of criticism. People need to be honest about that. It’s said that America has turned into a nation that loves success but hates successful people. Sad.

Great post. The critics here remind of mosquitoes buzzing around a person of achievement, trying to suck a little blood. But we will remember the deeds of the Abbys of the world, the ones who succeed in their quest and even the ones who fail, but fail magnificently, with bravery and honor. But who will remember the pitiful flies buzzing around the great man, finding their own pathetic version of glory in their proximity to greatness, adding nothing, annoying, but, after all is said and done, worthless.

179 posted on 06/12/2010 9:40:42 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: ejonesie22

The only person who died on the Mayflower was a teenager.


180 posted on 06/12/2010 9:40:45 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Persevero
your prose celebrates the adults who risk all, not the children.

The prose, sadly, is not mine, but that of one of our heroes of generations now gone, nor am I the one who posted it.

And I called you a weasel because you are a charlattan attempting to justify a point of view based upon a quibble over what Theodor Roosevelt meant by the word "man" completely forgetting the sense of the passage about being in the ring, etc., which is where this young lady placed herself. And I assure you that once she cast off lines and took the helm, the only person who set the course and steered it was she herself.

181 posted on 06/12/2010 9:46:08 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Thank You Rush

I agree with you.


182 posted on 06/12/2010 9:46:51 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: Felis_irritable

Viva la France!


183 posted on 06/12/2010 9:49:01 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years.)
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To: SZonian
Some are, no question. But who are we to judge the motives and intent?

Some guy named Douglas MacArthur had a very prissy glory seeking mother, who pushed him to better his old man's record as a Congressional Medal of Honor Winner.

184 posted on 06/12/2010 9:49:40 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: jimbo123
They borrowed the money. They are in debt. Dad doesn’t have a job. And now they don’t have any advertising sponsors

I guess I have misunderstood you as it seemed like you were defending them, but now you reinforce the stupidity of the father and his decision making skills.

185 posted on 06/12/2010 9:50:04 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: fso301

When you were at university, by any chance were you required to take a course called probability and statistics? Do you know how that works? Do you know that insurance actuaries calculate risk? Do you know how they calculate risk? If you think letting your kids drive is the statistically equivalent risk of letting them sail around the world alone on a boat, why do you let your kids drive?


186 posted on 06/12/2010 9:51:14 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Michael.SF.

From what I’ve read, the father is the one who has been pushing this whole thing on his kids. The mother had expressed her concerns with the financial pressures with the advertising sponsors that let to the trip being made in winter. This dad shouldn’t try to bail out his debts and failing ship-building business on the backs of his children’s lives.


187 posted on 06/12/2010 9:53:13 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

The father is a yacht manager where they build boats; had he been a condom manufacturer, just think of the possibilities...


188 posted on 06/12/2010 9:56:53 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Mich Patriot
“I’m encouraged that there are some kids who want to achieve great things. Consider this type of spirit vs. the video game playing, MTV watching, prescription drug abusing teens that are all too common today.”

AMEN!

189 posted on 06/12/2010 9:57:19 AM PDT by Arizona
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To: Blennos
Like Blennos said in post 170 jealousy is a root of criticism.

More likely envy is a root of criticism.
190 posted on 06/12/2010 10:06:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Arizona

I don’t see any difference in kind between this and letting kids play high school football. We know that every year a few kids will die, and many will be significantly injured playing football, yet we don’t ban the game. Instead, we do what we can through training and equipment to minimize the risk. Same thing here. Obviously, the boat builder did a great job minimizing those risks.

From a societal level, we would be better off with more Sunderland parents, and less like those whose 26 year old babies cheer because they can remain on their parents medical insurance.


191 posted on 06/12/2010 10:06:52 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: Blennos
"But who will remember the pitiful flies buzzing around the great man, finding their own pathetic version of glory in their proximity to greatness, adding nothing, annoying, but, after all is said and done, worthless."

Who will remember them?

Criticism's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more.
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

192 posted on 06/12/2010 10:30:17 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: VRWCTexan

Yes it was rushed for the record and the timing was atrocious.

I have no problem with her doing it in a well-planned fashion—she apparently was well prepared—but the ill conceived rush for a record takes this out of the “for the love of adventure” milieu into the “craven quest for publicity” milieu.

Bad timing, probably improper craft, etc....


193 posted on 06/12/2010 10:37:57 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: dynoman

Your elegant verse reminds me of something, but I can’t put my finger on it. It is almost Shakespearean in its eloquence though.


194 posted on 06/12/2010 10:41:03 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: GatorGirl
I have no problem with her doing it in a well-planned fashion—

WHAT! No criticism for the French?

Obviously THEY didn't plan, or their captain wouldn't have fallen into the sea.

What a bunch of wusses here on FR.

I thought we were all for individual liberty and initiative.

Guess not all of us are.

195 posted on 06/12/2010 10:41:43 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Women are natural socialists, since the 19th passed the US has been drifting Liberal)
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To: Balding_Eagle

OK that makes no sense at all.


196 posted on 06/12/2010 10:48:37 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: ejonesie22
Why is that so hard to understand?

Why can't YOU understand that because of a selfish desire on her part, a lot of people were at risk to save her, including the Captain that fell overboard in rough seas.

What you advocate is indulging a child in an expensive pursuit just so she can say she did it.

197 posted on 06/12/2010 10:50:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: jimbo123

Did you read on another thread that this was about sibling rivalry with her brother? *sigh* Pretty expensive sibling rivalry. It only cost money. It could have cost lives.


198 posted on 06/12/2010 10:52:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The fishing boat was already at sea. The risk was not significantly greater than what it would be while they were making their living. If anything they should be compensated for lost time.


199 posted on 06/12/2010 10:56:00 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: jimbo123
Safe to assume she's had sailing lessons for years, though.

Abby Sunderland Quick Facts
Born: 10.19.1993
Hometown: Thousand Oaks, California
Started Sailing: 6 months [6 months old; not 6 months ago]
Family: Second of 7 kids
Interests: Sailing, adventure, art, animals

200 posted on 06/12/2010 10:57:12 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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