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BREAKING NEWS House Dems will not "deem" Senate health bill passed
WAPO ^ | 3-20-10

Posted on 03/20/2010 11:33:56 AM PDT by pillut48

"BREAKING NEWS House Dems will not "deem" Senate health bill passed"

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; congress; deemandpass; obama; obamacare
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Front page online--heard this mentioned while watching Rules meeting live on Fox streaming video--does this mean 'demonpass' is dead?? Discussion in meeting seems to imply WAPO story is true?
1 posted on 03/20/2010 11:33:57 AM PDT by pillut48
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To: pillut48

Could mean they think they have the votes...


2 posted on 03/20/2010 11:34:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: pillut48

Maybe they have enough votes to pass the Senate bill outright.


3 posted on 03/20/2010 11:34:45 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: pillut48

Today I am still, just a bill!

4 posted on 03/20/2010 11:35:18 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: pillut48

They must have the votes and probably had them all along.


5 posted on 03/20/2010 11:35:19 AM PDT by Shire
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To: skeeter

Waxman said they had to vote on the Senate bill...that is what I heard. And they cant add the amendments until after the President signs it...which the way things are supposed to work.


6 posted on 03/20/2010 11:36:08 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: skeeter

No, it could mean they are confused.


7 posted on 03/20/2010 11:36:52 AM PDT by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: pillut48

tweet @wonkroom

Democrats in committee confirming they are abandoning deem and pass. Will hold separate votes on reconciliation & senate bill.


8 posted on 03/20/2010 11:36:56 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: skeeter
Could mean they think they have the votes...

Could mean that they don't have the votes and thus need Cardoza's vote. He said he was a "no" so long as it was done by Demon Pass.

9 posted on 03/20/2010 11:37:07 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Parley Baer

no, it means they could be in trouble with all of the goodies not attached to the bill.


10 posted on 03/20/2010 11:38:25 AM PDT by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Shire
Yep - it's been a done deal from the beginning with lots of theatrics thrown in for drama.

Sigh....

I for one do NOT welcome our new commie overlords!


11 posted on 03/20/2010 11:38:55 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: rogue yam
Could mean that they don't have the votes and thus need Cardoza's vote. He said he was a "no" so long as it was done by Demon Pass.

Now I'm confused. He said he was a no vote to demon pass, or no vote to the senate bill itself?

12 posted on 03/20/2010 11:39:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: pillut48

Could also be a LIE. Waxman himself said they will be voting for the senate bill - it was a tricky lie. I would not listen to the Dems or the WaPo. They are playing with the meaning of words.


13 posted on 03/20/2010 11:39:19 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: pillut48

So....House will vote on the EXACT Senate bill already passed?


14 posted on 03/20/2010 11:39:26 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: pillut48

I don’t see how they have the votes to pass the senate bill. Everyone in the house knows that the senate is never going to pass the reconciliation bill.

They are in serious disarray.


15 posted on 03/20/2010 11:39:47 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: pillut48
The whole fuss over deem and pass was silly to begin with. Why do we care HOW they pass it. It would of only mattered if so much attention hadn't been on the vote, but in this particular case everyone would of known that a vote for deem and pass was equal to a vote for government healthcare.
16 posted on 03/20/2010 11:39:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: skeeter

No, look at this story: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Rules-Committee-meeting-descends-into-chaos-88725962.html


17 posted on 03/20/2010 11:40:05 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: pillut48
Good. I would prefer that our money and effort be focused on defeating (in Court challenges) the legislation on its substance, and not on the process in which it may be passed.

Unfortunately, this probably also means that they're confident in their whip count.

18 posted on 03/20/2010 11:40:44 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: pillut48
It means that the undecideds now see that there is no such thing as "Deem and Pass". It was a leadership scam.

Either you are voting for the Senate bill or you aren't.

19 posted on 03/20/2010 11:40:45 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: skeeter

Or they’ve become convinced that demon pass will go down in flames after the USSC gets a good look at it.

Their Yes votes were predicated on demon pass and a vote on the reconciliation bill, not on voting directly for the Senate bill.

They are still short, way short.


20 posted on 03/20/2010 11:40:46 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if people follow. Otherwise, you just wandered off.)
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To: PghBaldy

The “YES” mindset can change if Deem & Pass is gone and one is now more accountable with an Up & Down vote.


21 posted on 03/20/2010 11:41:41 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: rogue yam
Could mean that they don't have the votes and thus need Cardoza's vote. He said he was a "no" so long as it was done by Demon Pass.

I think you are right. If the Dems had the votes for deem and pass, they would go forward with it. But they don't, so why go forward when it will fail?

Dems will now just delay and try to switch a few votes to the yes side. Let's hope they fail on that as well.

22 posted on 03/20/2010 11:41:41 AM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Shire
More than enough voted for slaughter, they have had the votes since then. There was no upside to voting for slaughter and then against the bill.

What is happening now is simply rats in vulnerable races trading their YES votes with people from safe districts to be able to vote NO.

23 posted on 03/20/2010 11:42:08 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: skeeter
Could also mean that there is some sort of agreement for Obama to sign an EO to cover the concerns of Stupak.

They may feel they will get the votes by going with the EO. Lots of back room dealing going on right now.

24 posted on 03/20/2010 11:42:23 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The whole fuss over deem and pass was silly to begin with. Why do we care HOW they pass it. It would of only mattered if so much attention hadn't been on the vote, but in this particular case everyone would of known that a vote for deem and pass was equal to a vote for government healthcare.

Exactly.

25 posted on 03/20/2010 11:42:33 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: pillut48
Like I just posted to Ernest at the beach:::

It’s like being a terminally ill man strapped to his gurney close to death, laying there watching his children battle each other over his earthly goods while ignoring him as he takes his last dying breaths…

An intolerable state of affairs indeed.

26 posted on 03/20/2010 11:42:41 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Send G. Soros home! Hell isn't half full!)
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To: pillut48

Kinda makes me wish we hadn’t screamed quite so loudly - if they pass it on an up-or-down vote it’ll become law without that hook for a possible court challenge.


27 posted on 03/20/2010 11:43:23 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Kimberly GG

That’s what they’re saying, but they will have no assurance that the senate will pass their reconciliation bill. This can’t be good news for them. It brings up issues of trust between the two houses again and that’s going to lose them votes.

I don’t think Deem and Pass is being abandoned because they have the votes. I think it’s being abandoned because they realize they cannot legally accomplish it that way. The senate bill cannot be passed at the same time as the reconciliation bill, because they seem to have determined that the senate bill has to become law first. So, they have to pass the senate bill and have it signed by the president and THEN pass the reconciliation bill.

Anyone who thinks that this will go anywhere beyond Obama signing the first bill is delusional and a good number of Dems have to know that.


28 posted on 03/20/2010 11:43:54 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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What you’re slowly witnessing is the takeover of this great country and they’ve yet to fire a shot.

I pray to god it doesn’t take shots to take our country back.


29 posted on 03/20/2010 11:44:55 AM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: pillut48

Don’t you love that not one of these thugs has a thought of what the American people want. We seem to have never crossed their minds.


30 posted on 03/20/2010 11:44:56 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: FreeReign

I don’t agree. A vote for Deem & Pass could merely signal one’s desire to be able to HIDE their vote with no accountability. Up & Down vote provides no cover! It’s a game changer.


31 posted on 03/20/2010 11:45:22 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: historyrepeatz

That is true. I am wondering if Congress is getting sick of Obama, and this drama, and just wants it over with, one way or the other. They are human after all. The stress must be unbearable for all concerned. I still say it will not pass, and Dems will end up hating Obama for his wretched handling of this.


32 posted on 03/20/2010 11:45:53 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: savedbygrace; US Navy Vet

I read that to be a very good thing.


33 posted on 03/20/2010 11:45:55 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: stripes1776

whatever.

It’s because deem and pass got so much negative publicity, it was costing them votes. So they dropped deem and pass to maintain their majority vote count.


34 posted on 03/20/2010 11:46:04 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Perdogg

They are not confused. They know exactly what they are doing. They must have the votes.


35 posted on 03/20/2010 11:46:07 AM PDT by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: pillut48

However, if there was anytime in the last 50 years that Demos would lie 24/7 this is it.

Keep a watch on them and keep calling.


36 posted on 03/20/2010 11:46:21 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: FreeReign

Not true. both parties have used deem and pass.


37 posted on 03/20/2010 11:47:25 AM PDT by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: bigbob

I have faith in Mark Levin and others working with him. He, and they, have all the contingencies covered, I feel certain.


38 posted on 03/20/2010 11:47:30 AM PDT by Helen
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I believe the pro-choice beeches would not vote for the Senate bill if BO promises Stupak’s group an exec order to not cover abortions.

My, my, they are in a mess, aren’t they?


39 posted on 03/20/2010 11:48:38 AM PDT by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: DallasSun

A second a go, I was told they could only try D&P because they HAD the votes. You negative people need to get your stuff straight. ;)


40 posted on 03/20/2010 11:48:41 AM PDT by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Helen

It’s good we have TGO on our side - still will be atough battle to save our America.


41 posted on 03/20/2010 11:48:44 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: pillut48

The December Senate bill is very stinky and corrupt and will become law if they have the votes. The companion reconciliation bill is just a fantasy, and political theater that the Senate Dims will be reluctant to invest much effort in passing. The Dims desperately want the public to have health care amnesia so they can move on to other disastrous distractions such as amnesty.
At least with the Senate bill, the Dims will have a big “kick me” sign plastered on their butts.


42 posted on 03/20/2010 11:48:55 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Kevin in California

What we’re watching is a high-stakes chess game. Keep the faith.


43 posted on 03/20/2010 11:49:04 AM PDT by Helen
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To: skeeter

Or they might know “to deem” is political suicide...


44 posted on 03/20/2010 11:50:04 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: historyrepeatz
I don’t agree. A vote for Deem & Pass could merely signal one’s desire to be able to HIDE their vote with no accountability. Up & Down vote provides no cover! It’s a game changer.

When would the wording of a Deem & Pass look like?

45 posted on 03/20/2010 11:50:32 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Helen

I am Helen. However, I, like millions of other true Americans in this country am at a “boiling” point at what is going on in my country.


46 posted on 03/20/2010 11:50:59 AM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: Perdogg
This thread is hilarious.

At this point the only thing thats clear is everyone is confused.

Think I'll just sit back & pray for the best.

47 posted on 03/20/2010 11:51:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: pillut48

So — could the RATS do this:

1. House Pass the Senate bill
2. House Pass their reconciliation bill
3. The Senate bill goes to Obama, who sits on it while,
4. Senate debates and ultimately passes the House reconciliation bill, which then
5. Goes to Obama who then signs both, in essence simultaneously.

Using Obama to buffer the first bill would give assurance to the weak-kneed Dems that the Senate bill won’t become law without their changes.


48 posted on 03/20/2010 11:52:05 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob
if they pass it on an up-or-down vote it’ll become law without that hook for a possible court challenge.
No, there are already quite a few states that are taking this to court if it passes.
I'm sure they'll be many suits from the private sector as well.
49 posted on 03/20/2010 11:53:06 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BurbankKarl

“And they cant add the amendments until after the President signs it.”

And once he gets what he wants, he won’t bother Congress with it any more, he won’t need them- he’ll immediately begin hammering immigration “reform” through, so that 30 million more people will be covered under his shiny new bill. Congress won’t have time to “fix” anything.

He won’t have to pay attention to, or sign, any amendments until he’s further along in his agenda.


50 posted on 03/20/2010 11:53:16 AM PDT by DBrow
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