Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]

Town Hall ^ | 1-26-10 | Robert A. Levy

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As the Massachusetts blame game unfolds, the president’s unpopular health bill leads the list. But the substantive provisions of the bill were just part of the problem. Perhaps more important, voters were appalled by how the deal unfolded.

Consider the pre-election giveaway to the labor unions. Negotiators agreed to exempt union contracts until 2018 from the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans. That backroom bargain not only outraged the voters, it also violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, requiring the federal government to extend equal protection of the laws to all U.S. persons. Of course, not all voters understood the constitutional nuances, but they sensed that something was very wrong; and they reacted.

I have been disturbed by the socialists for years, ever since I learned many members of Congress 'openly' joined the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). Several years ago, the names were published on the DSA site. (since removed of course) Please post any info you have, many of you have been on this issue for many years, & if we can store it all on one thread, we have our FreeRepublic Warehouse on the enemies of the state. How DO we combat this, when it's coming at us from every angle? When the people have been asleep for decades. Please post anything you have found or accumulated. Also choose a dictator these people follow, of particular interest,those in D.C. who have been quoted with their adulation of one.

Communism- Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism-Trotskyism-Maoism- Hoxhaism-Hoxhaism-Titoism ETC

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house Rules COMM back

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx
http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=5

Broad looks like she’s on prozac

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@wonkroom Democrats in committee confirming they are abandoning deem and pass. Will hold separate votes on reconciliation & senate bill.

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Dr. Yes There’s a Virginia Fox up

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Ironic how they saw Reconciliation with awe

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Be back soon

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because they think they have the votes now. Please. let the lightning bolts come soon!

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Virginia

Quote of the Day!

“Talking out both sides your mouth”

[thouworm]

Another great photo from TornadoAlley3. Thank you!

[HiTech RedNeck]

Gonna have to do Senate bill first. Now Lucy has the football, and can yank it away before voting on fixit.

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March 20, 2010 | 2:34 PM ET
Tea-Partyers Heckle Hoyer
Interesting moment outside the Capitol with House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD). A scrum of reporters followed Hoyer as he left the Capitol to get into his US Capitol Police SUV. Hoyer exited down the steps and teapartyers booed and yelled at him as he left. They shoulted “Hoyer you’re a traitor” and “Hoyer you’re a liar.” Hoyer did not respond.

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Saturday, March 20, 2010

Unruly [Yuval Levin]

On Capitol Hill today, while Speaker Pelosi has been working to get the votes she needs behind the scenes, the House Rules Committee has been meeting to produce the rule for tomorrow’s vote. Because the actual substance of the rule is being decided elsewhere by the Speaker (as many Hill Republicans had suspected, Pelosi seems to be using the rule as a negotiating chip with some of her wavering members, and may well give up on “deem and pass” to appear to be giving them something in return for their vote), the long committee meeting (whicih is still going on, live C-SPAN coverage can be found here) instead turned into a wide-ranging discussion of the health-care bill itself. The Democrats have not come off well in that debate.

Most worthwhile so far has been Paul Ryan’s testimony from this morning (you can watch it here), and his exchange with some Democratic members of the committee about his own plan compared to theirs (here). And then of course (as Dan notes below) there was Alcee Hastings’s comment in defense of the Democrats’ approach:

” I wish that I had been there when Thomas Edison made the remark that I think applies here: “There ain’t no rules around here, we’re trying to accomplish something.” And therefore, when the deal goes down, all this talk about rules, we make them up as we go along.”

Hastings is, needless to say, a longtime member of the House Rules Committee.

If only it mattered. But the real action, of course, is going on elsewhere—mostly in the Speaker’s office, where Pelosi is searching for her last few votes. It’s clear she doesn’t have them yet. Let us hope it stays that way.

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Can you post the other one you sent me please?

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March 20, 2010 | 2:04 PM ET
Democrats mulling dropping “deem and pass”Chad Pergram |
UPDATE: A senior House Source confirms to Fox News that “deem and pass is dead”

Developing..

Fox News has learned that House Democrats are considering dropping a controversial parliamentary ploy to pass the Senate’s version of the health care bill before the House begins on a second “fix-it” resolution, known as reconciliation.

Senior House Democratic sources indicate that there is an ongoing discussion about dropping what’s billed a “deem and pass” strategy. Democrats have signaled for days that they would probably use a procedural two-step to get the House to approve the Senate’s health care measure.

Many liberal Democrats don’t like the Senate bill. So the House Democratic leadership is considering a gambit that would approve the Senate bill while simultaneously giving the green light to bringing the reconciliation package to the floor.

In other words, the House could pass the Senate bill without having a straightforward, up or down vote on that issue.

Republicans crowed about this method, arguing that Democrats were trying to pass the bill in an underhanded manner.

“It’s unprecedented. It’s breathtaking,” protested Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI).

But House Democrats say privately they could score a public relations coup by killing this strategy and doing things the old-fashioned way.

One senior aide characterized the chances of the Democrats handling the Senate bill the traditional way as “good.” Another said that the “probability (was) increasing.”

The House Democratic whip team, which counts the votes, mulled the idea at a closed-door meeting Saturday afternoon.

At a meeting of the House Rules Committee, one of the chief sponsors of the health care measure, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) said he was “against the idea of deeming” and passing the bill.

The House must approve the Senate’s version of the heath care bill and President Obama must sign that legislation into law before the “fix-it” bill, known as reconciliation, can come into play.

House Democrats are still aiming for a series of final votes on health care Sunday.

Eve Zibel contributed to this report.

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USGS ENS

2010-03-20 18:08:10 (Mw 5.6) CUBA REGION

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http://www.worldwidestandard.com/

There are reports that Bart Stupak and other pro-life Democrats are meeting with Nancy Pelosi. Speaker Pelosi has said that they are discussing a compromise that would use an executive order to allay the concerns of pro-life Democrats. The National Right to Life Committee just put out a release explaining that an executive order cannot fix the abortion related problems in the health care bill:

NRLC’s March 19 letter to the House of Representatives, summarizing the seven major pro-abortion components in H.R. 3590, is posted here.

It should be noted that all of the problems listed in the NRLC letter — with the possible exception of no. 5 (pro-abortion administrative mandates) — would be created by and controlled by the proposed statutory language of H.R. 3590. If the bill is signed into law, these statutory requirements and defects are not subject to correction or nullification by the chief executive or his appointees, whether by Executive Order, regulation, or otherwise. Lawmakers will be responsible for the law that they vote for, and cannot hide behind hollow assurances from the President.

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Deemon pass is ded.

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oooo Camp caught another lie!

Illegals Exempt, but then Virginia queried they said they were not covered....doublespeak

[HiTech RedNeck]

Not sure an EO can do any good because, as they obliquely hinted, pro-death factions could sue Obama to overturn it.

[JustPiper]

House Dems opt against ‘deeming’ health care bill passed

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Idiot tryin to trip Virginia up, get him girl!

[HiTech RedNeck]

Both might be true depending on the time of day you ask. They’re still editing the fixit.