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Chilly reception for theory on global warming
sfgate.com ^ | Sunday, October 4, 2009 | David A. Fahrenthold

Posted on 10/05/2009 9:08:52 AM PDT by Nikas777

Chilly reception for theory on global warming

David A. Fahrenthold, Washington Post

Sunday, October 4, 2009

Has climate change been around as long as the pyramids?

It is an odd-sounding idea, because the problem is usually assumed to be a modern one, the product of a world created by the Industrial Revolution and powered by high-polluting fossil fuels.

But a professor emeritus at the University of Virginia has suggested that people began altering the climate thousands of years ago, as primitive farmers burned forests and built methane-bubbling rice paddies. The practices produced enough greenhouse gases, he says, to warm the world by a degree or more.

Other scientists, however, have said the idea is deeply flawed and might be used to dampen modern alarms over climate change.

Understanding the debate requires a tour through polar ice sheets, the inner workings of the carbon molecule, the farming habits of 5,000-year-old Europeans and trapped air bubbles more ancient than Rome.

"The greenhouse gases went up, and they should have gone down" many thousands of years ago, said the University of Virginia's William Ruddiman. "Why did that happen?"

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; catastrophism; climatechange; globalwarming; godsgravesglyphs
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1 posted on 10/05/2009 9:08:52 AM PDT by Nikas777
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 10/05/2009 9:09:07 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777

This greenhouse gas crap is seriously wearing me out.


3 posted on 10/05/2009 9:11:03 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

It’s the all out global warming blitz before winter gets here.


4 posted on 10/05/2009 9:14:51 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: steelyourfaith

global warming ping


5 posted on 10/05/2009 9:17:02 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: Nikas777; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; SideoutFred; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



6 posted on 10/05/2009 9:18:41 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Nikas777
primitive farmers burned forests and built methane-bubbling rice paddies.

How much forest did they burn relative to the forests burned by lightening, worldwide?

How much methane bubbled out of the rice paddies compared to the methane bubbling out of the North American bison herds (numbering in the tens of millions) and the African wildebeest herds?

7 posted on 10/05/2009 9:19:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Nikas777
The science of the debate begins with the idea that Earth has natural freeze-and-thaw cycles, driven heavily by changes in its orbit. The planet is in a warm "interglacial" period, which began 10,000 years ago with the end of the last Ice Age.

Beginning more than 8,000 years ago, Ruddiman said, things should have started slowly cooling off again.

It is interesting how specific the timing of these "cycles" are. When it is convenient, scientists seem to know the exact and predictable timing of a "cycle" whether it be those of the sun, the magnetic strength of the plane or the orbit of our planet. But when "non believers" point out that cycles are estimations within a few ten thousand or hundred thousand years, things are "generalized" and there is no way to be sure the exact timing of a cycle.

It has been cooling now for the past several years. What cycle are we in, moving out of, or moving into. One thing they all agree on, the earth's climate is always changing.

BTW - It seems to me that back when the earth was teeming with life, far more than there is today, say the time of the dinosaurs, when there were no ice caps, did the heat create the life that caused their carbon dioxide pollution that caused the heat. Or did life cause the heat that caused the life that caused the carbon dioxide that caused the heat. Was it a meteor that finally re-set the planet's t-stat and got the oceans moving to keep the earth more temperate or was it plate tectonics that reshaped the ocean currents to distribute heat to the poles? What of the great heat exchanger that we call an ocean?

CO2 driven climate change is total BS and has been debunked.

8 posted on 10/05/2009 9:23:31 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: DuncanWaring
You ask too many nosey questions.
9 posted on 10/05/2009 9:23:36 AM PDT by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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To: tractorman

It’s actually the blitz before the Cap and Trade Bill push by the Senate. Geez, I already have warm feelings for my friends in Buffalo because they are going to need every bit of BTU’s before April or May and maybe even June.


10 posted on 10/05/2009 9:24:01 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: DuncanWaring
How much forest did they burn relative to the forests burned by lightening, worldwide?

Or volcanoes, meteorites, and smoking Pterodactyls.

11 posted on 10/05/2009 9:25:02 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: Nikas777

I actually met 2 global warming believers this weekend. One was a 60ish woman from England who truly believes we need to plan on what we are going to do with all of the people from Africa who are going to be displaced by the flooding that will happen from global warming. She was serious as a heart attack and it was all I could do not to just bust out laughing at the complete idiocy of the comment. I’m sure she has a few extra rooms in her home in France that she can take some in.....


12 posted on 10/05/2009 9:27:34 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: Tenacious 1

Darn smoking Pterodactyls - if they hadn’t gotten hooked on those Cuban cigars none of this would have happened!


13 posted on 10/05/2009 9:28:52 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: reaganaut1; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

14 posted on 10/05/2009 9:35:49 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison!)
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To: Clintons Are White Trash

People need causes/religions to give their lives meaning. OK, not saying Hail Mary a thousand times doing it for people any more? Then maybe the modern version of saying the Rosary is to recycle your trash?


15 posted on 10/05/2009 9:44:19 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777
People need causes/religions to give their lives meaning.

How about banning bubble gum? I'm tired of stepping in it in the summertime and those ugly splotches outside the doors of buildings are disgusting.

16 posted on 10/05/2009 9:46:52 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: listenhillary
How about banning bubble gum? I'm tired of stepping in it in the summertime and those ugly splotches outside the doors of buildings are disgusting.

Already are places like that. See Singapore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_ban_in_Singapore

17 posted on 10/05/2009 9:48:16 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777

Do they shoot the offenders when they catch them?


18 posted on 10/05/2009 9:49:18 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: listenhillary

Probably heavy fine and a jail term or a caning.


19 posted on 10/05/2009 9:50:11 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777
And what, cows farting on Mars is making that planet warmer at the same time?

Maybe it is something called the sun and nature doing most of this.

Granted we should not pollute our drinking water and try not to over kill the animals for various uses, but the theory that man changes climates is bunk.
When Mt. St. Helen erupted once, it put several years of what we could do in the air in seconds.

What egos the scientists backing global warming are, and what fools as well they show themselves to be. At least to any people that read and have common sense.

20 posted on 10/05/2009 9:50:46 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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