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To: jmaroneps37
While i don't support illegal immigrants, and think we should have a migrant worker program, i have been hiring laborers for the last twenty years. Immigrant workers work hard and fast for the most part. They don't screw around and they don't complain about working more than 7.5 hours a day.

You take your average American with little or no education, who already has the entitlement thinking, and they aren't worth a lick. Drug problems, being late, lackadaisical attitude, horrible decision making processes.

Americans are buried in the ME ME ME thing and materialism. Immigrants tend to be more interested in feeding their families. Maybe we should pay the immigrants to teach our poor uneducated masses how to work. That's why they come here, because they know the American worker is to stupid and lazy to do what they would do in a second.

Lets look at the real problem, and that is parents failing to raise their children in America with proper values and ethics. Being born to parents that have these values and ethics isn't a guarantee of performance, but it starts in the home, and not at the border.

Lock up the border and have a guest worker program only. No more illegals.

4 posted on 10/04/2009 6:29:54 AM PDT by ritewingwarrior (Just say No to socialism.)
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To: ritewingwarrior
We are bringing in now 125,000 LEGAL FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH!!

How much are you paying these immigrant workers and are they legal? Do you even bother to check?

The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 7 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.

Minorities are disproportionately affected by the importation of cheap, unskilled labor, which results in unemployment and depressed wages. The Bureau of Labor statistics for September 2009 show a national unemployment rate of 9.8 percent, including 15.4 percent for blacks and 12.7 percent for Hispanics.

Americans are buried in the ME ME ME thing and materialism. Immigrants tend to be more interested in feeding their families. Maybe we should pay the immigrants to teach our poor uneducated masses how to work. That's why they come here, because they know the American worker is to stupid and lazy to do what they would do in a second

The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 33 percent, compared to 19 percent for native households. The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 17 percent, nearly 50 percent higher than the rate for natives and their children. Massive low-skill immigration works to counteract government anti-poverty efforts. While government works to reduce the number of poor persons, low-skill immigration pushes the poverty numbers up. In addition, low-skill immigration siphons off government anti-poverty funding and makes government efforts to shrink poverty less effective. Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.”

I suggest you read this: Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts by Robert Rector, The Heritage Foundation

We don't need to import high school dropouts. We have plenty of unskilled labor here already. Do we really need 1.2 million legal immigrants a year, most of whom are poor and uneducated.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million.

Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 306 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 135 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.975% (2009 estimate), principally due to immigration.

12 posted on 10/04/2009 6:47:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ritewingwarrior
Immigrant workers work hard and fast for the most part. They don't screw around and they don't complain about working more than 7.5 hours a day.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way. Undoubtedly what you say is mostly true. Also, undoubtedly, unless you went to extraordinary lengths to assure that you weren't hiring 'illegals' some part of those 'immigrants' you hired were 'illegal'.

While they may have worked long and hard for you, without complaining, etc., they were also infesting this country with a familial infrastructure that is highly adept at 'milking the cow'. The 'cow' in this case being us - you and me, and every other poor sonofabitch real taxpayer.

They've overrun our schools, inflated their cost; they've overrun our hospitals, inflated their cost and reduce our emergency responsiveness; they've overrun all of our government largesse programs, inflated their cost and consequently raising our taxes.

With that in mind, I just do not buy the 'immigrants [read illegals] work hard' argument.

22 posted on 10/04/2009 7:20:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ritewingwarrior
Americans are buried in the ME ME ME thing and materialism. Immigrants tend to be more interested in feeding their families. Maybe we should pay the immigrants to teach our poor uneducated masses how to work. That's why they come here, because they know the American worker is to stupid and lazy to do what they would do in a second.

If illegals are all so wonderful why oh why are our jails and prisons filled with them? Could it be that many of them don't come here to work, they come here to be criminals? I know hard working legal immigrants and have known hard working illegals- I also know many hard working citizens and we need to employ first our citizens, then legal immigrants as needed and stop illegal immigration. Americans are not all stupid and lazy, not by a long shot.

45 posted on 10/05/2009 12:05:56 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support & pray for our Troops; they serve us every day. Veterans are heroes not terrorists!)
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