Posted on 10/03/2009 10:46:57 PM PDT by montag813
Bingo! Revise the ROEs or keep our troops at home. If Supreme Reader is such a patriot why didn’t he enlist in the military and actually serve on the front lines under these insane ROEs? Oh, I forgot, he was busy sucking up to Communists and Communistic dictators, readying his campaign war chest and defending/training an ACORN infestation as a prelude to his role as champion of freedom and Commander in Chief of our Armed Services. I demand the same ROE’s for Supreme Reader’s security detail and we’ll see how he likes them.
Please Lord protect our soldiers...and show our politicians just Whiskey Tango Foxtrot war is!
“The 25 minute meeting wasn’t even the priority. The damn picture was the priority.” - Whistling
And that would not even had happened had the news about McChrystal meeting only once via video conference not been revealed. This was agitprop.
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My condolences to the families of these brave soldiers who gave their lives for our country.
“A tribal militia launched the attack from a mosque and a nearby village in Nuristan” SHOULD READ:
A tribal militia launched the attck from the LEVELED mosque and WHAT USED TO BE a nearby village in Nuristan. BOTH THE MOSQUE AND THE VILLAGE WERE WIPED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH BY DEVASTATING BOMBING.
Does that man ever stop jingling coins in his pocket to hold his wife’s hand?
SevenMinusOne; “You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to Gen. McChrystal.”
montag813; “Hey noob, who gives Generals their orders?”
You know what? I have peen posting about this since early July when no one else was paying any attention.
McChrystal was passed over for promotion because of the Pat Tillman fiasco. He thought he was going to be promoted under Bush, and instead was named to a post keeping his rank the same.
Along comes bambi, and Gates pushes McChrystal. McChrystal AGREES with bambi that “change” is necessary and GETS HIS PROMOTION.
bambi says detainees have to be Mirandized. Okay. bambi says they are entitled to a legal defense. Okay.
McChrystal goes to Afghanistan. And HERE is my first post on the subject:
7 US troops killed throughout Afghanistan
Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:09:15 AM · 15 of 37
MestaMachine to LibLieSlayer
Our Troops are being killed for a farce. A dog and pony show by obama to make us think he is actually doing something for Afghanistan and our national security. This operation is meaningless and the administration knows it. It is temporary and without any real purpose. All it is doing is putting our Marines in harm’s way so obama can give the impression of fighting terror.
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Here is the SECOND:
To: MinorityRepublican
Almost. And it was almost for the same reason, but it was NOT deliberate. Our losses in Iraq were the fault of a misguided judgement by GW Bush to put the State department in charge instead of the Military.
Colin Powell is a pacifist and did everything he could to undermine the Military in Iraq and to undermine Bush PERIOD!
Guess who is “advising” obama.
Having said that, this man is doing this for show so he can pretend to be fighting the war on terror. The rules of engagement are ridiculous. Miranda rights for terrorists. Don’t fire if there is a civilian within 10 miles. How do you know who is or isn’t a civilian?
The Afghan government is beyond corrupt. The people are far more isolated and tribal.
There is NO reason for our Troops to be battling for control of the poppy fields. If anyone was serious about stopping the growing of poppies, airstrikes to destroy the fields would be happening until they were GONE. We would not be sending good Marines in harm’s way under the pretense that we are trying to build an infrastucture for people who DO NOT WANT IT and will revert at the first possible minute.
And if we were serious about destroying Al Qaeda, the zone between Pakistan and Afghanistan would be a damn ditch where anything that moved would be dead within seconds.
Instead, we are propping up the radicals in Pakistan, controlling a corrupt government in Afghanistan, and OUR Troops are the front line.
NATO could give a damn.
Hamid Karzai agrees 99% of the time with the Taliban and against us and the ONLY thing of value in Afghanistan is drugs.
19 posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 8:11:24 AM by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk’s favorite cookie. At least that’s what my TV said.)
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The THIRD:
President Barack Fonda Rules Out US Military Victory in Afghanistan
Friday, July 24, 2009 11:58:41 PM · 15 of 20
MestaMachine to sushiman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2294541/posts THIS article was posted BY ME on July 17, 2009!)
When I posted this, I was challenged by some who refused to believe what obama was doing. I will say it again. obama is sacrificing American Marines for NOTHING!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2294541/posts
To: Valin; BlueNgold
BlueNgold: ”Fight to win, and don’t let the media deter us from using the best available tactics and strategy because the headlines might show a number that looks bad.”
That is exactly the point. We are NOT fighting to win anything. We are just fighting.
Valin: My “extreme lack of knowledge” is only exceeded by your extreme willingness to believe that the obama administration has a legitimate reason for what he is doing. There is none.
I never questioned WHY we are in Afghanistan. I KNOW why we went there. What I question is obama’s commitment both to the WOT AND our Military.
He arbitrarily changed the ROE to hamstring our Troops. Hamid Karzai is at best a paid lackey who has no fealty to US except that we keep him propped up and he insures the drug flow is maintained. Nothing we are doing there is going to help the people of Afghanistan, and it doesn’t further our own National Security. It doesn’t stop the radical takeover in Pakistan. It doesn’t check Iran.
The whole lay of this “war” is completely different than the one in Iraq. Our troops are being misused and if that is BS, rhen I am in good company.
A couple of months ago, I spoke with a very good friend of mine, and I said that I was expecting them to pull osama bin laden out of his grave so they would be able to “go after him” and kill him, for the glory of obama.
Sure enough, a VIDEO tape shows up last week purporting to be osama NOW. It was supposedly being “authenticated.” Have you heard a SINGLE word about it since?
No, I didn’t hink so.
This is a criminal administration. They will do anything to screw us AND the Military.
Defend them if you wish, but don’t accuse me of being ignorant of the facts. I am not.
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The Fourth:
Friday, July 24, 2009 11:32:33 PM · 10 of 20
MestaMachine to pissant
President Barack Fonda Rules Out US Military Victory in Afghanistan
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/obama-victory-necessarily-goal-afghanistan/
President Obama has put securing Afghanistan near the top of his foreign policy agenda, but “victory” in the war-torn country isn’t necessarily the United States’ goal, he said Thursday in a TV interview.
“I’m always worried about using the word ‘victory,’ because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur,” Obama told ABC News.
The enemy facing U.S. and Afghan forces isn’t so clearly defined, he explained.
“We’re not dealing with nation states at this point. We’re concerned with Al Qaeda and the Taliban, Al Qaeda’s allies,” he said. “So when you have a non-state actor, a shadowy operation like Al Qaeda, our goal is to make sure they can’t attack the United States.”
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The Sixth, and THIS one has been reposted many times now:
Afghan mission falls short of expectations: Lawmakers
Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:48:55 AM · 5 of 12
MestaMachine to Lancey Howard
And evidently, under McCystal, it can only get worse.
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The biggest change urged in McChrystal’s report is a “cultural shift” in how U.S. and foreign troops operate — ranging from how they live and travel among the Afghan population to where and how they fight, a senior military official in Kabul said Friday.
The latest draft of the assessment also urges speeding up the training of Afghan soldiers and police and nearly doubling their numbers to roughly 400,000, said a senior defense official in Washington, one of several uniformed and civilian officials who spoke on condition anonymity because the report has not been made public.
In preparing his assessment of the Afghan command, McChrystal found an American military culture that showed a great concern for troops’ protection — sometimes at the expense of their relations with Afghan civilians.
(*PLEASE NOTE THIS PARAGRAPH IN PARTICULAR.
In preparing his assessment of the Afghan command, McChrystal found an American military culture that showed a great concern for troops’ protection – sometimes at the expense of their relations with Afghan civilians.)
To change those relations, McChrystal wants American forces to think twice about basic conduct — for instance no longer pointing their guns at people when they pass in convoy or blocking narrow roads with their convoys, while relegating Afghans to the ditches.
To deal with the most contentious aspect of those shaky relations, McChrystal has already committed to try to reduce civilian casualties by issuing new orders that restrict when troops should call in bombing strikes.
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Just imagine our Military showing “great concern” for our troops’ protection. How dare they
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Large blast heard in Afghan capital near embassies [Car Bomb]
Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:18:27 AM · 25 of 40
MestaMachine to erkyl; Jet Jaguar
Seems that way, don’t it?
Remember when clinton had the massive callup and 90 day TDYs right before his 2nd election so most of the military couldn’t vote or have their votes counted?
There is absolutely nothing in Afghanistan worth fighting for, let alone dying for...except the drugs.
McChrystal made the statement that there was too much attention paid to security in the direction of our troops instead of the population. He changed all that. Now our troops are sacrificed to protect “innocent” civilians. And the American death toll continues to rise.
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Large blast heard in Afghan capital near embassies [Car Bomb]
Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:35:08 AM · 27 of 40
MestaMachine to erkyl
No. They are too busy worshipping at the alter. Miss-pelling on purpose.
Seriously, what is happening in Afghanistan is an outrage. I’ve been posting about it for weeks. Some people think I don’t know what I’m talking about, but they are wrong. I know only too well.
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Large blast heard in Afghan capital near embassies [Car Bomb]
Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:50:20 AM · 29 of 40
MestaMachine to erkyl
To which I can only respond, AMEN!
There are plans in the works to send even more Marines. The ROE are stacked against them and will be still more drastically changed after McChrystal’s “formal assessment.” I fear for them. I fear for us. Pray hard. We need it. THEY need it.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2317891/posts
Afghan husbands allowed to starve their wives if she refuses sex under new law
Monday, August 17, 2009 11:40:20 AM · 39 of 55
MestaMachine to Alberta’s Child
Nope. Looks like they’re culturally “sensitizing” Marine Women. MARINES!!!
GOD help us.
KHAWJA JAMAL, Afghanistan — Put on body armor, check weapons, cover head and shoulders with a scarf.
That was the drill for female American Marines who set out on patrol this week with a mission to make friends with Afghan women in a war zone by showing respect for Muslim standards of modesty.
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Series of Blasts in Baghdad Kill 50, Injure 300
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:42:53 AM · 7 of 75
MestaMachine to livius
I do NOT understand why the military, seeing, knowing, what a reckless idiot omama is, don’t step up to the plate for the guys taking the flak. I know the commanders in Iraq have complained bitterly to no avail, but McChrystal in Afghanistan seems determined to put the safety of our troops far, far behind “sensitivity” towards the b@st@rds that are bent on murdering us. He should be court martialled for his malfeasance.
Where is Petraeus? WHERE is ANYONE with some backbone that will stand up to this, this, ......I can’t say it here.
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MestaMachine to Frantzie
No. Thank o who appointed McCrystal who could give less of a damn about our troops.
He has ordered Marine women to wear friggin’ headscarves to be “sensitive” to the “moral” sensibilities of islawhackos in Afghanistan.
He changed the ROE in Afghanistan to protect the “innocent” civilians instead of protecting our troops.
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And THOSE are still in mid-August, They were BEFORE McChrystal’s “formal” assessment.
So, PLEASE, if you are going to call me a noob, or tell me I’m “ignorant,” or don’t know what I am talking about, I suggest you read all the threads you missed BEFORE it became a popular subject.
Thank you.
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I remember when we splashed Libian Migs in the Mediterian, and when later we bombed Kadafi at his compound/palace. We’ve heard little from Libia since that time. (Less the last few weeks at the UN).
HERE is McChrystal.
McChrystal is a politician. He sold his bowl of venison to the Senate in order to be promoted to general. There had to be reasons why he was not promoted before that, Pat Tillman not withstanding. I would like to know what Petraeus thinks of his performance in Afghanistan. And I wonder where the Pentagon is when there appears to be outright anger from the troops serving under his command and they are not being quiet about it.
I have been hearing it under the radar for weeks, but it has become much more public now.
He is clearly putting our Troops in danger. This is NO WAY TO RUN A WAR.
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“from November 1994 to June 1996. After a year as a senior service college fellow at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, he moved up to command the entire 75th Ranger Regiment from June 1997 to August 1999, then spent another year as a military fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.”
“At the beginning of the Iraq War in March 2003, he was serving in the Pentagon as a member of the Joint Staff, where he had been vice director of operations, J-3, since July 2002. McChrystal was selected to deliver nationally televised Pentagon briefings on U.S. military operations in Iraq, including one in April 2003 shortly after the fall of Baghdad in which he announced, ‘I would anticipate that the major combat engagements are over.’”
“McChrystal was considered a candidate to succeed General Bryan D. Brown as commander of U.S. Special Operations Command in 2007, and to succeed General David H. Petraeus as commanding general of Multi-National Force - Iraq or Admiral William J. Fallon as commander of U.S. Central Command in 2008, all four-star positions. ***Instead, McChrystal was nominated to succeed Lieutenant General Walter L. Sharp as director of the Joint Staff in February 2008, another three-star position.***”
“Normally a routine process, McChrystal’s Senate confirmation was stalled by members of the Senate Armed Services Committee who sought more information about the alleged mistreatment of detainees by Special Operations troops under McChrystal’s command in Iraq and Afghanistan. After meeting with McChrystal IN PRIVATE, the Senate Armed Services Committee confirmed his reappointment as lieutenant general in May 2008 and he became director of the Joint Staff in August 2008. With his June 10, 2009 Senate approval to take command in Afghanistan, McChrystal was promoted to General. Shortly after McChrystal assumed command of NATO operations, Operation Khanjar commenced, marking the largest offensive operation and the beginning of the deadliest combat month for NATO forces since 2001.”
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And it has been getting steadily worse since he took over. He has completely disregarded the safety and security of the Troops under his command, OURS as well as other country’s.
They will not stay there under McChrystal much longer.
Our Troops are nothing more than cannon fodder over there. They are not allowed to engage the enemy. They are not even allowed to defend themselves.
This is insane. The whole thing is insane.
If we are there because of Pakistan, then it’s Pakistan we need to deal with on a much more aggressive level. Instead we baby them.
ENOUGH of this.
Paryers for the soldiers and their families.
Paryers = Prayers
Well, all I was thinking of was what I’d do if some coward came in and told me I lost a limb or was blinded or lost a friend for no purpose.
I’d be ticked off enough to make a run for the guy, whether I was in a wheelchair, on crutches or in traction. If the latter, I’d throw whatever I could at him!
:o] But that’s just me...
What’s the current death count?
The media only beat the drum to sour the public support for Bush and the war in Iraq.
That was nothing but a propaganda effort designed to provide aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war and sink morale among the troops and citizens. In a word, TREASON.
Michelle O. looks like Sasquatch in that picture.
Would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting. How much time did BO spend in “teaching moments”, how much time did he spend actally asking questions of the General, how much time did he spend listening to the General, how much time did the general get to give the _resident his assessment of the situation and his recommendations???
A requirement of all politicians who keep our troops in danger should be to visit the war zone with an American convoy once a month, this way they can see exactly what is needed to win the war. (not that 0 wants to win)
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