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Dirty Secret No. 1 in Obamacare
Town Hall ^ | Aug 11, 2009 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 08/11/2009 6:03:06 AM PDT by Islander7

Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
They could easily teach things like homemaking and parenting in the public schools, if they really considered it important.

As I recall, they stopped offering Home Ec (home economics) back in the '80s. Once upon a time, it was offered.

81 posted on 08/11/2009 8:01:00 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: Islander7

If you think this is bad now, wait until it gets to the House floor. Some Dims want to add Gun Control (Harsh restrictions, bans, taxes and licensing requirements on firearms ownership) and Alien Amnesty to the Healthcare bill. If the Dims decide that there is nothing to lose, they will do it.


82 posted on 08/11/2009 8:05:32 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: pnh102

“WTF? We don’t need government training to be good parents!”

they think you do, they think you need their guidance and indoctrination.

wonder how many kids will be taken away because they see something not state approved.


83 posted on 08/11/2009 8:06:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Islander7

You come for my children and yours will be missing their parent......I WILL ELIMINATE ANYONE THAT TRIES TO MESS WITH MY SONS.......is that clear? I hope so because if you want to keep breathing and “enjoy” (as if your types truly even know joy) your family and life then you better leave mine alone.
I may not survive the confrontation but i guarantee you that most if not ALL you send will not either.
I am ready to die for my beliefs and my family, are you?!


84 posted on 08/11/2009 8:12:18 AM PDT by mkcc30 (Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

So far this is the info I have: Amendments to the bill are listed by number and name/representative at the link. (scroll down).

The America’s Affordable Health Choices Act (H.R. 3200), developed jointly by the Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, and Education and Labor Committees.

http://edlabor.house.gov/markups/2009/07/hr-3200-americas-affordable-he.shtml

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/markup/FC/HR3200-AmericasAffordableHealthChoicesActof2009/RepMillerOpeningStatement.pdf


85 posted on 08/11/2009 8:14:49 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Islander7

Would the counseling include “gender identity” for toddlers?


86 posted on 08/11/2009 8:23:22 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Islander7
Something occurred to me...

Many government school health questionnaires, that is those a child must answer for mandatory health exams mandated in order to attend public schools, often ask gun related questions.

Has anyone heard about hidden attacks upon our 2nd Amendment Rights hidden within the bill?

87 posted on 08/11/2009 8:27:51 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: dennisw

Go Chuck!

88 posted on 08/11/2009 8:35:25 AM PDT by Cooter
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To: Islander7
Better to argue from the actual text of the section, rather than to argue from a Chuck Norris editorial about that section:

SEC. 1904. GRANTS TO STATES FOR QUALITY HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS FOR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EXPECTING CHILDREN.

    Part B of title IV of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 621-629i) is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Subpart 3--Support for Quality Home Visitation Programs

`SEC. 440. HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS FOR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EXPECTING CHILDREN.

    `(a) Purpose- The purpose of this section is to improve the well-being, health, and development of children by enabling the establishment and expansion of high quality programs providing voluntary home visitation for families with young children and families expecting children.

    `(b) Grant Application- A State that desires to receive a grant under this section shall submit to the Secretary for approval, at such time and in such manner as the Secretary may require, an application for the grant that includes the following:

      `(1) DESCRIPTION OF HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS- A description of the high quality programs of home visitation for families with young children and families expecting children that will be supported by a grant made to the State under this section, the outcomes the programs are intended to achieve, and the evidence supporting the effectiveness of the programs.

      `(2) RESULTS OF NEEDS ASSESSMENT- The results of a statewide needs assessment that describes--

        `(A) the number, quality, and capacity of home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children in the State;

        `(B) the number and types of families who are receiving services under the programs;

        `(C) the sources and amount of funding provided to the programs;

        `(D) the gaps in home visitation in the State, including identification of communities that are in high need of the services; and

        `(E) training and technical assistance activities designed to achieve or support the goals of the programs.

      `(3) ASSURANCES- Assurances from the State that--

        `(A) in supporting home visitation programs using funds provided under this section, the State shall identify and prioritize serving communities that are in high need of such services, especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families or a high incidence of child maltreatment;

        `(B) the State will reserve 5 percent of the grant funds for training and technical assistance to the home visitation programs using such funds;

        `(C) in supporting home visitation programs using funds provided under this section, the State will promote coordination and collaboration with other home visitation programs (including programs funded under title XIX) and with other child and family services, health services, income supports, and other related assistance;

        `(D) home visitation programs supported using such funds will, when appropriate, provide referrals to other programs serving children and families; and

        `(E) the State will comply with subsection (i), and cooperate with any evaluation conducted under subsection (j).

      `(4) OTHER INFORMATION- Such other information as the Secretary may require.

    `(c) Allotments-

      `(1) INDIAN TRIBES- From the amount reserved under subsection (l)(2) for a fiscal year, the Secretary shall allot to each Indian tribe that meets the requirement of subsection (d), if applicable, for the fiscal year the amount that bears the same ratio to the amount so reserved as the number of children in the Indian tribe whose families have income that does not exceed 200 percent of the poverty line bears to the total number of children in such Indian tribes whose families have income that does not exceed 200 percent of the poverty line.

      `(2) STATES AND TERRITORIES- From the amount appropriated under subsection (m) for a fiscal year that remains after making the reservations required by subsection (l), the Secretary shall allot to each State that is not an Indian tribe and that meets the requirement of subsection (d), if applicable, for the fiscal year the amount that bears the same ratio to the remainder of the amount so appropriated as the number of children in the State whose families have income that does not exceed 200 percent of the poverty line bears to the total number of children in such States whose families have income that does not exceed 200 percent of the poverty line.

      `(3) REALLOTMENTS- The amount of any allotment to a State under a paragraph of this subsection for any fiscal year that the State certifies to the Secretary will not be expended by the State pursuant to this section shall be available for reallotment using the allotment methodology specified in that paragraph. Any amount so reallotted to a State is deemed part of the allotment of the State under this subsection.

    `(d) Maintenance of Effort- Beginning with fiscal year 2011, a State meets the requirement of this subsection for a fiscal year if the Secretary finds that the aggregate expenditures by the State from State and local sources for programs of home visitation for families with young children and families expecting children for the then preceding fiscal year was not less than 100 percent of such aggregate expenditures for the then 2nd preceding fiscal year.

    `(e) Payment of Grant-

      `(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall make a grant to each State that meets the requirements of subsections (b) and (d), if applicable, for a fiscal year for which funds are appropriated under subsection (m), in an amount equal to the reimbursable percentage of the eligible expenditures of the State for the fiscal year, but not more than the amount allotted to the State under subsection (c) for the fiscal year.

      `(2) REIMBURSABLE PERCENTAGE DEFINED- In paragraph (1), the term `reimbursable percentage' means, with respect to a fiscal year--

        `(A) 85 percent, in the case of fiscal year 2010;

        `(B) 80 percent, in the case of fiscal year 2011; or

        `(C) 75 percent, in the case of fiscal year 2012 and any succeeding fiscal year.

    `(f) Eligible Expenditures-

      `(1) IN GENERAL- In this section, the term `eligible expenditures'--

        `(A) means expenditures to provide voluntary home visitation for as many families with young children (under the age of school entry) and families expecting children as practicable, through the implementation or expansion of high quality home visitation programs that--

          `(i) adhere to clear evidence-based models of home visitation that have demonstrated positive effects on important program-determined child and parenting outcomes, such as reducing abuse and neglect and improving child health and development;

          `(ii) employ well-trained and competent staff, maintain high quality supervision, provide for ongoing training and professional development, and show strong organizational capacity to implement such a program;

          `(iii) establish appropriate linkages and referrals to other community resources and supports;

          `(iv) monitor fidelity of program implementation to ensure that services are delivered according to the specified model; and

          `(v) provide parents with--

            `(I) knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains (including knowledge of second language acquisition, in the case of English language learners);

            `(II) knowledge of realistic expectations of age-appropriate child behaviors;

            `(III) knowledge of health and wellness issues for children and parents;

            `(IV) modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices;

            `(V) skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development;

            `(VI) skills to recognize and seek help for issues related to health, developmental delays, and social, emotional, and behavioral skills; and

            `(VII) activities designed to help parents become full partners in the education of their children;

        `(B) includes expenditures for training, technical assistance, and evaluations related to the programs; and

        `(C) does not include any expenditure with respect to which a State has submitted a claim for payment under any other provision of Federal law.

      `(2) PRIORITY FUNDING FOR PROGRAMS WITH STRONGEST EVIDENCE-

        `(A) IN GENERAL- The expenditures, described in paragraph (1), of a State for a fiscal year that are attributable to the cost of programs that do not adhere to a model of home visitation with the strongest evidence of effectiveness shall not be considered eligible expenditures for the fiscal year to the extent that the total of the expenditures exceeds the applicable percentage for the fiscal year of the allotment of the State under subsection (c) for the fiscal year.

        `(B) APPLICABLE PERCENTAGE DEFINED- In subparagraph (A), the term `applicable percentage' means, with respect to a fiscal year--

          `(i) 60 percent for fiscal year 2010;

          `(ii) 55 percent for fiscal year 2011;

          `(iii) 50 percent for fiscal year 2012;

          `(iv) 45 percent for fiscal year 2013; or

          `(v) 40 percent for fiscal year 2014.

    `(g) No Use of Other Federal Funds for State Match- A State to which a grant is made under this section may not expend any Federal funds to meet the State share of the cost of an eligible expenditure for which the State receives a payment under this section.

    `(h) Waiver Authority-

      `(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary may waive or modify the application of any provision of this section, other than subsection (b) or (f), to an Indian tribe if the failure to do so would impose an undue burden on the Indian tribe.

      `(2) SPECIAL RULE- An Indian tribe is deemed to meet the requirement of subsection (d) for purposes of subsections (c) and (e) if--

        `(A) the Secretary waives the requirement; or

        `(B) the Secretary modifies the requirement, and the Indian tribe meets the modified requirement.

    `(i) State Reports- Each State to which a grant is made under this section shall submit to the Secretary an annual report on the progress made by the State in addressing the purposes of this section. Each such report shall include a description of--

      `(1) the services delivered by the programs that received funds from the grant;

      `(2) the characteristics of each such program, including information on the service model used by the program and the performance of the program;

      `(3) the characteristics of the providers of services through the program, including staff qualifications, work experience, and demographic characteristics;

      `(4) the characteristics of the recipients of services provided through the program, including the number of the recipients, the demographic characteristics of the recipients, and family retention;

      `(5) the annual cost of implementing the program, including the cost per family served under the program;

      `(6) the outcomes experienced by recipients of services through the program;

      `(7) the training and technical assistance provided to aid implementation of the program, and how the training and technical assistance contributed to the outcomes achieved through the program;

      `(8) the indicators and methods used to monitor whether the program is being implemented as designed; and

      `(9) other information as determined necessary by the Secretary.

    `(j) Evaluation-

      `(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall, by grant or contract, provide for the conduct of an independent evaluation of the effectiveness of home visitation programs receiving funds provided under this section, which shall examine the following:

        `(A) The effect of home visitation programs on child and parent outcomes, including child maltreatment, child health and development, school readiness, and links to community services.

        `(B) The effectiveness of home visitation programs on different populations, including the extent to which the ability of programs to improve outcomes varies across programs and populations.

      `(2) REPORTS TO THE CONGRESS-

        `(A) INTERIM REPORT- Within 3 years after the date of the enactment of this section, the Secretary shall submit to the Congress an interim report on the evaluation conducted pursuant to paragraph (1).

        `(B) FINAL REPORT- Within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this section, the Secretary shall submit to the Congress a final report on the evaluation conducted pursuant to paragraph (1).

    `(k) Annual Reports to the Congress- The Secretary shall submit annually to the Congress a report on the activities carried out using funds made available under this section, which shall include a description of the following:

      `(1) The high need communities targeted by States for programs carried out under this section.

      `(2) The service delivery models used in the programs receiving funds provided under this section.

      `(3) The characteristics of the programs, including--

        `(A) the qualifications and demographic characteristics of program staff; and

        `(B) recipient characteristics including the number of families served, the demographic characteristics of the families served, and family retention and duration of services.

      `(4) The outcomes reported by the programs.

      `(5) The research-based instruction, materials, and activities being used in the activities funded under the grant.

      `(6) The training and technical activities, including on-going professional development, provided to the programs.

      `(7) The annual costs of implementing the programs, including the cost per family served under the programs.

      `(8) The indicators and methods used by States to monitor whether the programs are being been implemented as designed.

    `(l) Reservations of Funds- From the amounts appropriated for a fiscal year under subsection (m), the Secretary shall reserve--

      `(1) an amount equal to 5 percent of the amounts to pay the cost of the evaluation provided for in subsection (j), and the provision to States of training and technical assistance, including the dissemination of best practices in early childhood home visitation; and

      `(2) after making the reservation required by paragraph (1), an amount equal to 3 percent of the amount so appropriated, to pay for grants to Indian tribes under this section.

    `(m) Appropriations- Out of any money in the Treasury of the United States not otherwise appropriated, there is appropriated to the Secretary to carry out this section--

      `(1) $50,000,000 for fiscal year 2010;

      `(2) $100,000,000 for fiscal year 2011;

      `(3) $150,000,000 for fiscal year 2012;

      `(4) $200,000,000 for fiscal year 2013; and

      `(5) $250,000,000 for fiscal year 2014.

    `(n) Indian Tribes Treated as States- In this section, paragraphs (4), (5), and (6) of section 431(a) shall apply.'.

Now, the first thing I would point out is that the word "voluntary" is used. If you make breathless mention of the Norris editorial, the FIRST THING that they will come back is, "Hey, it's voluntary. If a family doesn't want a visitation, they don't have to have one."

There are a lot of things that are "voluntary," but if you don't "volunteer," you pay a steep price. I don't know what those implications are, so I can't speak to them.

And, of course, if the government knocks on your door and says, "Hi, I'm the government, I'm here to help," how many folks will be intimidated to think that they have to receive that "help."

But before responding to that, I would make sure to mitigate the use of the term, "voluntary," else you're just going to sound like a nutcase.

Chuck Norris attempts to do this, but I don't think he does that good of a job:

One government rebuttal is that this program would be "voluntary." Is that right? Does that imply that this agency would just sit back passively until some parent needing parenting skills said, "I don't think I'll call my parents, priest or friends or read a plethora of books, but I'll go down to the local government offices"? To the contrary, the bill points to specific targeted groups and problems, on Page 840: The state "shall identify and prioritize serving communities that are in high need of such services, especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families."

Are we further to conclude by those words that low-income families know less about parenting? Are middle- and upper-class parents really better parents? Less neglectful of their children? Less needful of parental help and training? Is this "prioritized" training not a biased, discriminatory and even prejudicial stereotype and generalization that has no place in federal government, law or practice?

The best way to refute this is if there are state laws that say this is voluntary, but if you don't volunteer, you sacrifice certain benefits.

The second best way is to show examples of where the state has abused this voluntary program to the detriment of individual rights (intimidation).

FWIW

89 posted on 08/11/2009 8:41:07 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Always Right

That was great! Thanks for posting it.


90 posted on 08/11/2009 8:44:09 AM PDT by houeto (liberals v. conservatives = irreconcilable differences..."It's time to part the sheets!")
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To: Always Right

jobless rate dips to

not that the jobless rate went up the paper twists it

LOL

they really are desperate inthe media to say bozo is great


91 posted on 08/11/2009 8:45:51 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman -- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: clee1

my wife and I were going to foster a couple of kids to join our family of 5 but after we thought of child services coming oin and spouting their lefty crap we are not so sure now


92 posted on 08/11/2009 8:47:16 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman -- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Always Right

That was great - thanks!


93 posted on 08/11/2009 9:20:07 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: pnh102

Where is a good link to the entire bill. Thanks in advance.


94 posted on 08/11/2009 10:03:15 AM PDT by Gypssy (Smart, Womanly & Conversative! :-)~~~)
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95 posted on 08/11/2009 10:13:16 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Islander7

bump


96 posted on 08/11/2009 10:39:56 AM PDT by lowbridge (It's not that liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so - Ronald Reagan)
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To: pnh102
WTF? We don’t need government training to be good parents

All you home schoolers will not escape our sex education programs. BOHICA

97 posted on 08/11/2009 11:09:22 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: RikaStrom
As I recall, they stopped offering Home Ec (home economics) back in the '80s. Once upon a time, it was offered.

Class of '82 here, and I remember cooking was a required course. Also, there were sewing classes offered, as well as shop classes like electric and woodworking, etc., and various elective art classes.

98 posted on 08/11/2009 11:17:26 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Islander7

All I can say is, “you gotta be $hit_’in me!”


99 posted on 08/11/2009 11:17:46 AM PDT by MrsLilac (Don't let your mind wander. It's too small to be let out on it's own.)
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To: buschbaby
If this is voluntary, it is very similar to a program in Missouri called 'Parents as Teachers'. In rural areas it's very popular.

Ah, gentel persuasion, the most effecive way to get to where you are really going.

This technique was very popular in Germany, you know when they convinced the people to undress and place their clothing where they could reclaim them after the cleansing shower.

100 posted on 08/11/2009 11:23:44 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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