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JAMES TARANTO: It's certifiable: the last word on Obama's place of birth
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 30, 2009 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 07/30/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by curiosity

Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter group’s benefit it is worth clarifying matters.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: afterbirthers; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; kenya; kenyan; muslim; notanamerican; obama; obotsfreakout; rinoromney; romney; romney4obama; romneybot4obama; taranto
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To: lovesdogs; pissant; editor-surveyor
Here's a little background info on ST. She's a liar and tries to cover her lies when she's caught by twisting her lie to appear the opposite of what she posts [note, the thread and link are listed so anyone can confirm her deceit]. BTW, when I post this she usually tries to divert attention and ask if we're trying to get a Bible study going!:

[[ To: MHGinTN; mylife; Admin Moderator

{MHGinTN}And then — “You were caught in your deceit when you tried to use the story of the Good Samaritan as if ‘you knew your Bible’, yet you weren’t even familiar enough with the story to know the Good Samaritan’s role in the story. You’re a deceiver.”
{Star Traveler}So you say, but I don’t. …
213 posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:43:04 AM by Star Traveler

So, let’s take a look, to see if you were deceiving readers with your faux Bible lesson!

[Star Traveler: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2154244/posts?q=1&;page=305] You said — “He didn’t say anything about being nice to His enemies.” I think he did, in regards to the question of “Who is my neighbor” and who helped the injured Samaritan along the road (Samaritans were the enemies of Israel...).... I think Jesus made the point very well…

Was this merely a typo? Well, you repeated the error, so we can’t call the initial error a typo; you just aren’t what you pretend to be. But, in typical liars bluff not knowing when to keep quiet in your initial deceit, you tried to dismiss my calling you out:

To: Star Traveler
When you actually learn whom the Samaritans were and their relationship to the ‘in tribe’ of Jerusalem, perhaps you’ll have matured sufficiently to not make large religious claims based on flawed references.
326 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 8:55:48 PM by MHGinTN

To: MHGinTN
Suffice it to say, if you studied the Bible and knew your facts …
It appears you have no knowledge of the Bible or knowledge of Jesus, and that’s a major problem in even understanding what Jesus said…
341 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:11:52 PM by Star Traveler

To: MHGinTN
And Jesus made that an express example of the question of “Who is my neighbor” in giving the example of helping the Samaritan who was passed by on the road, by everyone else. …
You obviously are like the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were always against Jesus and what He said, time and time again. I see we have them here on this forum, too — in spite of what the Bible tells Christians to do…
357 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:32:15 PM by Star Traveler

To: Star Traveler From your #305 post, you did't even know that the Good Smaritan was the one who stopped to help the injured traveler! You're a fraud, a typical poseur trying to quote the Bible to manipulate readers. Here is your exact sentence from #305:
Star Traveler: I think he did, in regards to the question of “Who is my neighbor” and who helped the injured Samaritan along the road (Samaritans were the enemies of Israel...)
361 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:41:15 PM by MHGinTN

To: MHGinTN
You said — “You’re a fraud, a typical poseur trying to quote the Bible to manipulate readers.”
It’s the exact same thing I’ve been posting, from the Bible, since the beginning on Free Republic. You’ll find no difference from Clinton, to Bush to Obama... You just don’t like the content of what is being posted, and that’s your problem. But, I won’t be changing my posting.

The Samaritan was the person who helped. I’ll quote the section for you... Luke 10:25-37

369 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:54:35 PM by Star Traveler

Yes, I’d say you’re a fraud. You’ve tried to scam readers by quoting Bible verses you don’t even have enough familiarity with to know the role of the story participants, and you tried to twist your lie into stating something opposite of what you stated. ]]

221 posted on 07/30/2009 7:15:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Star Traveler
Ummm... what?! you want me to find you a new bin of kneepads?

No, quit acting like a child and answer the question.

222 posted on 07/30/2009 7:16:21 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Star Traveler
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.” This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question. So, when there is no Constitutional issue at problem here with the Qualifications for office, why would the Supreme Court get involved? Which is why they didn’t get involved.

Do you honest believe that SCOTUS is really ready and willing to accept the "decision" of a dept of health official as legal opinion? How in the name of all of that is American does this mid level HI official get to rule on who is a NBC when SCOTUS has never ruled on it?

223 posted on 07/30/2009 7:17:13 PM PDT by lovesdogs (I will not lay down and die. This is my country and with God's help I will take it back.)
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To: curiosity

Why spend a MILLION Dollars fighting it if its not only irrelevant, but Obama is NBC??


224 posted on 07/30/2009 7:17:16 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MHGinTN

I picked up on the hollowness of her “Christianity” a while back.

Truly insane!


225 posted on 07/30/2009 7:17:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Wild Irish Rogue,

Where's the ref!

You put half a dozen head shots on Star Traveler AFTER he hit the canvass!

By the way, you are too kind to Andy McCarthy and Rich Lowry.

Don't know if you caught it, but McCarthy said he proofed Lowry’s editorial before it was published and objected to nothing.

Pitiful.

The factual ignorance on display in Lowry’s editorial is downright shocking.

Great post...

I knew nothing about Dr. Fukino’s background and never thought to check.

Is it a tragedy that our corrupted press reports none of this?

Or, is it a miracle that impassioned private citizens can use the Internet to research and publish this information?

226 posted on 07/30/2009 7:17:53 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: El Sordo

“The MSM will crow about what a bunch of dummies all those conservatives are”

You’re not thinking.

In such a scenario, the glaring question would be why did they not produce it in the beginning. And the simplest answer would be because they were really stupid.


227 posted on 07/30/2009 7:18:54 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: lovesdogs

Ummm..., I don’t think the Supreme Court is about ready to do *anything* on this issue... :-)


228 posted on 07/30/2009 7:19:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you for posting that. I can not stop arguing with a person who will never see reason.


230 posted on 07/30/2009 7:22:51 PM PDT by lovesdogs (I will not lay down and die. This is my country and with God's help I will take it back.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Excellent post, Mr Ramsbotham.


231 posted on 07/30/2009 7:24:26 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: MHGinTN

You just keep wanting to get into Bible studies with Obama birth certificate issues...

I keep telling you... they’ve got Religion threads for that... LOL...


232 posted on 07/30/2009 7:24:44 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: lovesdogs

Make That I can Now stop, not I can not stop.


233 posted on 07/30/2009 7:24:48 PM PDT by lovesdogs (I will not lay down and die. This is my country and with God's help I will take it back.)
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To: El Sordo; curiosity; Star Traveler

I feel sorry for you guys.

As more people begin to question publicly why he doesn’t produce the birth certificate, all you can do is try to think of different ways to say the same tattered old losing arguments.


234 posted on 07/30/2009 7:25:10 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: Star Traveler
Star Traveler,

Do you have the link for Dobbs’ statement about the original “Long Form” being destroyed?

The wording is almost identical to the email that CNN’s president sent to Dobbs claiming that CNN researchers had discovered the same thing.

Was this an endorsement by Dobbs, was this independent research by Dobbs, or was Dobbs simply passing along the statement by his angry boss?

235 posted on 07/30/2009 7:26:12 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: El Sordo

I guess the fact that his friends and associates are mostly Marxists has no bearing.

And the fact that he has no paper trail:
- No Birth Certificate
- No HS Transcripts
- No College Transcripts
- No Harved Law Review writing
- No meaningful legislation

I guess that means nothing.

I want my elected officials to be truthful. And I want them to be qualified for the office.

It seemingly never crossed anyones mind to ask Obama to prove his citizenship, until after he was “to far down the election road”.

He either is or isn’t qualified. Since he has relatives in KEnya saying he was born there, I’d like for him to prove his eligibility.


236 posted on 07/30/2009 7:26:20 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: lovesdogs; pissant; editor-surveyor; Star Traveler

Completely predictable. I doubt she’s ever even read the entire exchange. Bwaahhahahaha ... some trolls are so transparent they think they’re a black hole.


237 posted on 07/30/2009 7:26:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: zeestephen

Yes, I’ve got the information on that Lou Dobbs story and a couple of other newspaper articles on it, but I will have to hunt it down. It’s here and I can find it, but in just a little bit... :-)


238 posted on 07/30/2009 7:28:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

The personal attacks will stop now or you can find another galaxy to troll, duuuuuuuuude. Your choice and I await your response.


239 posted on 07/30/2009 7:30:08 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: zeestephen; Wild Irish Rogue
Yes indeed, that was quite a post, but don't expect anything from StarTraveler but the same ‘ol copy and paste routine and of course the requisite LOL
240 posted on 07/30/2009 7:30:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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