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Sunspots and global cooling: Clear connection?
Examiner.com ^ | July 5, 2009 | Steve LaNore

Posted on 07/05/2009 4:34:03 PM PDT by neverdem


          Solar awakening: Two sunspots shown / July 4, 2009 / Dave Tyler

During the past four years, the sun has been in a prolonged quiet phase which has led some to claim this signals a period of global cooling. The number of “blank” sunspot days, a measure of overall solar energy output, has been more than 30% above the long-term average.

The year 2008 saw the sun with its lowest number of sunspots for any year in a century. This only fueled the speculation of an impending global cooling scenario.

In fact, slight cooling has been observed since the year 2001, but the link to lower solar activity is inconclusive at best. Shifting ocean patterns are the more likely, or at least primary, cause.

Some climatologists point to the “Maunder Minimum”, a very cold period between 1645 and 1715 when there were virtually no sunspots, as a parallel to the current solar sleep and slight global cooling.

The error in this line of thinking is found by looking at the climate picture outside of the Maunder Minimum itself. Europe and indeed the entire Northern Hemisphere descended into the LIA (Little Ice Age) around 1325 and stayed in this cold period until the 1850s.

History suggests that events as wide ranging as the Plague in 1348 to the Irish Potato Famine in the 1840s are linked to this cold spell. Even the Pilgrims suffered the shivers in their first in the New World (1620) because of the LIA.

So this long period of a Big Chill ran well before and after the Maunder Minimum. While it’s certainly possible the sluggish solar period enhanced the cold during the 17th Century, we simply don’t have enough data from that time period to arrive at a solid scientific conclusion. We have very little hard data of ocean temperatures or even surface readings to get a compete picture of what happened back then. Tree rings only give us so much.

It may be a moot point anyway: the solar trend has ramped markedly upward since May 2009 with more and more sunspots erupting on the solar sphere. Time alone will show us whether this trend will continue, but the latest signs of an awakening sun are consistent with new solar research.

You can read more about that here.

Either way, don’t forget the Sunblock when you’re out in the rays for an extended period of time!
 



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; globalcooling; solaractivity; sunspots
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1 posted on 07/05/2009 4:34:04 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: steelyourfaith; SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 07/05/2009 4:37:31 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: neverdem
I don't know, but I damn sure know that the lack of sunspots is hampering DX worldwide. CQ, CQ, CQ 6 meters....

/johnny

3 posted on 07/05/2009 4:40:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: neverdem
The remarkable William (Wilhelm) Herschel was the first to notice a correlation between sunspot number and wheat prices. He used wheat prices as a surrogate for solar output.
4 posted on 07/05/2009 4:42:20 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: neverdem
"The year 2008 saw the sun with its lowest number of sunspots for any year in a century. This only fueled the speculation of an impending global cooling scenario."

Must be all of the CO2 we're spewing, good thing the Democrat's are going to turn thing around with the Cap & Trade bill. /s (if required)

5 posted on 07/05/2009 4:42:36 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: neverdem

Only since the last Ice Age or two or three...


7 posted on 07/05/2009 4:56:48 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

thats funny

as if the price of wheat could have any effect on the sun.

why not the price of sunflower seeds, that at least makes some sense


8 posted on 07/05/2009 5:20:55 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

I assume you’re joking.

Herschel used wheat prices because there were long reliable records.


9 posted on 07/05/2009 5:25:28 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: neverdem
It may be a moot point anyway: the solar trend has ramped markedly upward since May 2009 with more and more sunspots erupting on the solar sphere.

Moot point ? Sunspots show up for two days and now the past 2 years of inactivity can just be ignored because there are a moot point ? Are you leftist really this stupid ? We are going to have one of our worse winters in the Northern Hemisphere most of us have ever experienced. Solar activity needs to increase dramatically and even then it will be too late for this winter.

10 posted on 07/05/2009 5:27:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: neverdem
More and more Sunspots have not been popping up. We just had the first one everybody would agree really is a Sunspot TODAY and this is July.

The other items were just very tiny magnetic storms ~ NASA couldn't even determine if they wer eassociated with Solarcycle 23 or Solarcycle 24.

Astronomers and Sunspot fans have all gotten into referring into the imaginary NASA Sunspots as "the official Sunspots".

11 posted on 07/05/2009 5:57:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

There were pretty clear records way back into Roman times, and intermittent records that would take you right back to Ancient Sumer.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 5:58:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

But not of sunspots, unfortunately. Sunspot records only go back 400 years.


13 posted on 07/05/2009 6:00:13 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

sunflower records are even longer


14 posted on 07/05/2009 6:06:31 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Herschel’s mistake, I suppose.


15 posted on 07/05/2009 6:15:08 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Western telescopic records started about 1610, but the Eastern astronomers/astrologers recorded them going back to 800BC. They were often mistaken for planets or omens.

I'd like to see a correlation of the Chinese/Korean sunspot records to the C-14 tree ring data, and the ice core data as well.

16 posted on 07/05/2009 10:17:02 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; ...
Thanx again, rdl6989!

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

17 posted on 07/06/2009 10:49:45 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: rdl6989; Swordmaker; Fred Nerks; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
Thanks rdl6989 (and neverdem).
 
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18 posted on 07/06/2009 2:04:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Is there some place on the net or on FR with a daily report on sunspots?


19 posted on 07/21/2009 10:14:43 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
NOAA maintains the Today's Space Weather page.

It includes a lot of useful information besides sunspot activity.

The relevant daily information for today is found here.

Of direct interest are the F10.7 cm solar flux data, which is a proxy measurement of the solar UV output; and also the Geomagnetic A indices, which describes the rate at which charged solar particles are captured by the Earth's magnetic field.

FWIW, these values are generally used for modeling the density of the upper atmosphere, which is in turn used for satellite drag modelilng, which in turn is used as part of orbit prediction.

20 posted on 07/21/2009 10:25:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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