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The hidden hand of Dick Cheney (He has them quaking in their Birckenstocks!)
Salon ^ | May 13, 2009 | Juan Cole

Posted on 05/13/2009 1:01:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Dick Cheney is out there. He is defending torture, dissing Colin Powell, and genuflecting before radio personality Rush Limbaugh as the high priest of what's left of conservatism. His refusal to go quietly, unlike his much-reviled boss, is risky. He was a laugh line more than once at Saturday's White House Correspondents' Dinner.

But the media's focus on the sheer spectacle of the ex-veep's antics, and on the Republican vs. Democrat feud he's stoking, underestimates the way Cheney's principles still inform many of the country's most crucial policies. Like the creatures in the "Alien" films, Cheney has planted some vicious spores in the bellies of his successors, which threaten to tear them apart as they mature. Can the new administration truly reverse Cheney's transformation of the United States into a 21st century empire, with the president an imperial figure above the law?

The former vice-president is now a more reliable laugh-getter than vote-getter. At the correspondents' dinner, President Obama quipped, "Dick Cheney was supposed to be here, but he's very busy working on his memoirs, tentatively titled 'How to Shoot Friends and Interrogate People.'" Guest comedian Wanda Sykes went further, saying she found Cheney positively terrifying. "He scares me to death. I tell my kids, I say, 'Look, if two cars pull up and one has a stranger and the other car has Dick Cheney, you get in the car with the stranger.'"

This week's news is about the grand old pit bull's struggle to continue to define his own party. Cheney emerged last Friday to warn on a North Dakota radio program that it would be a mistake for the Republican Party to moderate its message. (Does that mean it is now radical?) Then on Sunday Cheney told Bob Schieffer of "Face the Nation" that it was a mistake to stop using waterboarding and other forms of extreme interrogation, and that they did not constitute torture. He also poked fun at Colin Powell, questioning his credentials as a Republican and expressing a preference for the waspish Limbaugh as the party's leader.

But don't dismiss Dick Cheney as a fading punch line, or as tragedy reprised as comedy. While the Obama administration has adopted large numbers of policies that directly contradict Cheney's positions, it would be a mistake to overlook Cheney's continued influence on the executive branch through the precedents set by the Bush administration. Among the former vice-president's most important legacies is increased government secrecy. Obama's Department of Justice continues to rely on an alleged "state secrets" privilege. It has thus tried to block lawsuits by victims who alleged they were kidnapped and tortured by U.S. intelligence even though they were innocent of wrongdoing, on the grounds that such trials would reveal state secrets. The same state secrets doctrine was used by Obama's DOJ in an attempt to block investigations of Bush-Cheney warrantless wiretaps. Likewise, the DOJ has attempted to block lawsuits seeking the release of Bush-era e-mails and to prevent prisoners held at Bagram air base in Afghanistan from appearing before a judge to challenge their imprisonment.

Although the Obama administration is pledged to withdraw from Iraq militarily in a way that Cheney would never have contemplated, it is just as committed as Bush-Cheney to spreading good cheer about the new government in Baghdad. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the bombings by Iraqi guerrillas this spring the "last gasp" of "rejectionists," seeming to channel Cheney's allegation in 2005 that we were seeing the "last throes" of the insurgency. Red Washington and blue Washington both want to tell us stories about how Iraq will be OK and is just bedeviled by a few unreasoning malcontents who are on their last legs.

On a trip to Afghanistan in 2004, Cheney told U.S. troops, "Your children and my grandchildren will live in freedom tomorrow because of what you're doing today." He warned them of continuing threats there, however, saying, "Our coalition still has important work to do." He added, "Freedom still has enemies here in Afghanistan. And you are here to make those enemies miserable." Obama has, likewise, tied the establishment of a stable government in Afghanistan to U.S. national security, and pledged to defeat the Taliban and al-Qaida (even though there does not appear to be any significant al-Qaida in Afghanistan anymore). Both Cheney and Obama tend to amalgamate al-Qaida (a small, mainly Arab, international terrorist organization) to the Taliban (a form of Pushtun fundamentalist nationalism with local concerns). Cheney's war in Afghanistan envisaged no end, and neither, apparently, does Obama's.

Many of Cheney's harshest policies were rooted in a conviction that small terrorist groups might well get hold of nuclear weapons or other very dangerous armaments, and that all necessary steps must be taken to forestall that eventuality, even if it has only slight probability of occurring. (Journalist Ron Suskind called this notion the "one percent" doctrine.) The Obama administration just forced the Pakistani military to invade the Malakand region and to displace hundreds of thousands of civilians in the course of shelling and bombing a few thousand Taliban tribesmen. Among its rationales for this massive application of force was that the Taliban had advanced too close to Islamabad, and, apparently too close to that country's nuclear warheads. (In fact, the idea that a small force of rural Taliban could take over the Pakistani government or get access to its closely guarded arsenal is fantastic.)

In the government's commitment to a doctrine of "state secrets" that protect the executive from the scrutiny of other branches of government, in the continued attempt to block lawsuits and release of important documents, and in the shielding of secret programs of torture, unlawful kidnapping and warrantless wiretapping, Obama is preserving policies to which Cheney is deeply committed. In configuring Pushtun fundamentalists in southern Afghanistan and northern Pakistan as a mortal threat to the U.S. and potentially even a nuclear power, the Obama administration is picking up themes from Cheney's old speeches and running with them. Cheney may or may not win his struggle for the soul of the Republican Party. If we are not careful, he will win the struggle for the soul of the country as a whole.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
what right do you have to judge Vice President Cheney?

I judge his acts, not his soul.

You want to play prooftexting? I can do that too:

Luke 17:3 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

1 Timothy 5:20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season [and] out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

Revelation of St. John 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

41 posted on 05/13/2009 2:01:18 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I hope Dick's example of standing up to the Obama thugs rubs off on what is left of the Republicans in congress. Keep it up Dick, rub Obama’s snooty nose in it again.
42 posted on 05/13/2009 2:04:21 PM PDT by mickey finn
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To: colorado tanker; lewisglad

That photo says it ALL! Cheney’s had Obama’s number for some time. . . even if his boss didn’t. Wow! (What’s he wearing by the way . . . a Borsalino?)


43 posted on 05/13/2009 2:06:19 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dick Cheney is out there. He is defending torture

No he's not..

He defending waterboarding, that's not torture.

44 posted on 05/13/2009 2:17:43 PM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Romulus
Pray tell me which acts you are rebuking? His strong stand to keep our country safe from Jihadists? His steadfastness against the Obama administration and Democrat-led Congress that wants to take America in the wrong direction? Or do you buy in to the Hollywood meme that Vice President Cheney is evil and that “The Won” will cure our country of all the maladies imposed by the “Rethuglicans” over the last eight years?
45 posted on 05/13/2009 2:19:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We LUV Cheney. He’s a man who speaks his mind. Guess the opposition doesn’t like that. Only wish Cheney had spoken up before but...am sure Dubya put the skids to that or he would have. Dubya just sat there and let them attack him at every opportunity without batting an eyelash. That’s NOT how you win battles.


46 posted on 05/13/2009 2:23:44 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh - Truth, honesty and the American Way. Go Rush!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘Like the creatures in the “Alien” films, Cheney has planted some vicious spores ... ‘

This has got to be the winner of some kind of Ridiculous Anti-Republican Metaphor award. Oh, let’s call it the RARMY award. Old Juan from Salon is definitely RARMY number 1 this week.


47 posted on 05/13/2009 2:25:10 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim
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To: Oratam
It sure looks like one.

Sorta rounds out the Darth Cheney image, doncha think?

48 posted on 05/13/2009 2:27:50 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Inventing lies to terrorise the country into a war it didn’t need — and then stooping to torture to invent excuses for the inexcusable.


49 posted on 05/13/2009 2:32:35 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: Romulus
"STOOPING TO TORTURE to INVENT EXCUSES for the INEXCUSABLE???????"

You need your meds adjusted....

50 posted on 05/13/2009 2:43:47 PM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: Romulus
"Inventing lies to terrorise the country into a war it didn’t need — and then stooping to torture to invent excuses for the inexcusable."

Oh! You're a 9/11 truther! I didn't realize there were any of you left here. Or are you referring to the Iraq war, where we had EVERY RIGHT under the cease fire accords with Saddam Hussein, signed when Mr. Cheney was Secretary of Defense, to enforce the rules on the Iraqi government? You do realize that al-Quaeda operatives worked with Hussein's regime, there were WMDs and that just the violations of the no-fly zones were enough to justify our attack? There is also credible evidence that Iraqi agents played a part in the Oklahoma City bombing and other terrorist attacks, as well as the attempted assassination of President George H.W. Bush. How much are we supposed to put up with? Also, waterboarding and insects on the skin are NOT torture, however much you'd like them to be.

51 posted on 05/13/2009 2:44:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Put down the kool-aid.


52 posted on 05/13/2009 3:03:31 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: Romulus

You say I’m the one quaffing Kool-aid?! Hahahaha! You’re the peacecreep that doesn’t want the poor terrorist’s hair to get mussed and would be fine with Iraq still in the hands of Saddam Hussein & sons. Better head to Costco for the 10 gallon drum!!


53 posted on 05/13/2009 3:09:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You’re the peacecreep...

You know nothing about me.

54 posted on 05/13/2009 3:12:25 PM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: Romulus; Old Sarge; Alouette; ExTexasRedhead; Howlin; Cinnamon Girl; SandRat; eyespysomething; ...

All I need to know about you is at post #49.


55 posted on 05/13/2009 3:24:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many of Cheney's harshest policies were rooted in a conviction that small terrorist groups might well get hold of nuclear weapons or other very dangerous armaments, and that all necessary steps must be taken to forestall that eventuality, even if it has only slight probability of occurring. (Journalist Ron Suskind called this notion the "one percent" doctrine.)

The author has absolutely no understanding of risk assessment.

It's the likelihood of the event as compared to the impact of the event. If a highly likely act by a terrorist group is known, but it is of low impact and barely dangerous, then it's something to stop, but there's nothing to panic about.

If it's not terribly likely, but the impact is of catastrophic proportions, then you get very, very worried. A spray can of VX at a Rose Bowl; a suitcase nuke exploded in NYC. These have a low probability, but if they get successfully implemented, then thousands upon thousands will die.

56 posted on 05/13/2009 3:38:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pay no attention. Sometimes it’s just a waste of typing.


57 posted on 05/13/2009 3:39:09 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Romulus
You're picking the wrong fight with the wrong people at the wrong time, paisan.


58 posted on 05/13/2009 3:57:59 PM PDT by Viking2002 (This tagline for rent.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I like the graphical approach. Nelson still applies.

The fact that these charts are logarithmic makes it look not quite as bad as it really is.

59 posted on 05/13/2009 4:01:22 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Romulus

Wow...

Just...

Wow...


60 posted on 05/13/2009 4:03:16 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Mitt Romney is a more subtle version of Arlen Specter with better hair...)
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