SC lawmakers advance states rights measure

Spartanburg Hearld ^ | 03/03/2009 | Spartanburg Hearld

[neal1960]

COLUMBIA — South Carolina lawmakers have advanced a measure asserting state sovereignty, saying they want to send President Obama and Congress a message.

[Repeal 16-17]

Just like in December of 1860, South Carolina will get the ball rolling.

[neal1960]

Good question. I have no idea. Thanks for pointing that out. LOL

[snowsislander]

Texas and other states have state guards.

South Carolina also has a state guard: http://www.sg.sc.gov/.

The history page has some interesting information:

To rectify this situation the National Defense Act of 3 June 1916 was amended on 21 October 1940 to allow the establishment of state defense forces. In South Carolina the enabling act was the Act Establishing the South Carolina Defense Force, signed into law by Governor Burnet R. Maybank on 21 March 1941.

The South Carolina Defense Force (SCDF) was organized into a Headquarters, four regiments of three battalions each, and at least one independent battalion. Initially those wishing to enlist or be commissioned had to be between the ages of 21 and 55, in good health, and of good character. The minimum age quickly fell to 17 and there are indications that a few men served at an even younger age. The uniform was to be Confederate Gray.

[Army Air Corps]

Good to know! Thanks!

[ForGod'sSake]

I’d suggest ID checks at the borders, RINOs and Rats will be arrested SHOT on sight.

That's what you were thinking now wasn't it? Tell the truth.

[MissouriConservative]

“That’s what you were thinking now wasn’t it? Tell the truth.”

Heh, heh, heh.

[Twinkie]

In the South, when we speak of “our people”, we mean any and all of our relatives, living and dead. My husband’s great, great grandfather was a Confederate soldier, and he still regards him as one of “his people”. My parents are dead, but I still think of them as “my people”.

I don’t know what’s going to happen. Peace, I hope!

[BillyBoy]

Now if they can only pass a resolution saying individuals citizens should have more power of their daily lives than STATE government....

[NTHockey]

The time for peacefully enforcing the Constitution has passed. All three branches of the federal government, under both party’s rule, have been whittling away at our freedoms. If we want our country back, we will have to fight for it.

These resolutions are fine; but they are only a first step. My state rep has ignored me on this subject. This Saturday, I will confront him, face to face and ask WHY?

What puzzles me so much is that not one single lawyer in this country has challenged the constitutionality of the porkulus and gotten a stay while it is reviewed.

Homosexuals can go to court to overturn election results they don’t like; but Conservatives can’t fight this mess? I am left with the rational that almost all lawyers are LIBs, Democrats and are worshipping the pretender.

[triSranch]

Head of state Gov. Mark Sanford
Our!.. Commander-in-Chief in South Carolina.

“Bitter Americans still clinging to guns and religion.Yep, that would be S.C...

The last stimulus plan
Final campaigns in the Carolinas...
Sherman persuaded Grant to allow him to march north through the Carolinas, destroying everything of military value (100 mile wide strip ) along the way, as he had done in Georgia. He was particularly interested in targeting South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union.

South Carolina didn't recover from this act until after the 1900's while the north had moved on. So, for those who don't know or can't understand why we still cling to guns and religion. It wasn't as far back in the past as the winners (union) claim..Guns and Religion was all there was left..

First state to enforce the 10th Amendment asserting state sovereignty against the Union ?
Fate of the free world starts here ?? wow
I speck the South and sister states have recovered enough for part 2..
Fact is, I fear this may be forced upon the last of (the remaining states, Americans still clinging to guns and religion), the free people from a worldly view that are left....... by design.

"Ours is a Constitution written for moral and religious people. It will not work for those who are neither." It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams
So, is this the last crusade? or the beginning of another one?

[4everontheRight]

I am not a SC native as I am from Mississippi. I am very proud to live in this state. I am proud of the state motto: "Dum Spiro Spero"...While I breathe, I hope."
I am proud to live under the blue flag with the 1 white crescent which represents the three crescents first used on a South Carolina banner protesting the Stamp Act in 1765 and the Palmetto Tree which was added after SC seceded from the union. It was chosen because this tree had helped South Carolinians defeat the British in a battle at Sullivan's Island (during the Revolutionary War). The South Carolinians built a fort out of palmetto wood, and when the British fired cannonballs at the fort, instead of knocking the fort down, the soft palmetto wood just absorbed the cannonballs.

I do believe more cannon balls are coming.

[PistolPaknMama]

I doubt very seriously that anyone whose people actually went through the Civil War want another one.

I doubt very seriously that anyone whose people actually lived under tyranny want to do so again.

[triSranch]

I hear ya..That’s right...
Got to stand somewhere, no where else to go.

[Twinkie]

Our folks who fought on the Rebel side during the War of Northern Aggression did so, generally not because they had slaves, but because the Yankees were “down heah”. Most of them didn’t personally take part in “starting” the war, but when they found themselves invaded they picked up the old shotgun and protected their homeland and families.

If I ever end up in a Civil War, it won’t be proceeded by me running my jaw where it can be heard by just anybody. Peace is preferable, but not at any price,If we’re attacked in our own home, all bets are offand would be tyranny and intolerable.It’s not likely to happen, but then I suppose a lot of Southerners and Northerners alike thought it probably wasn’t going to really happen like it did. Many on both sides probably talked a lot, and if they’d had internet back then, they’d most likely written a lot of bravado that they didn’t feel in the heat of battle. My great-great grandfather was at Shiloh, which he described to my grandmother as “a mess”. We used to visit the “Bloody Pond” there over 50 yrs. ago, when you could still see a considerable amount of the bloodstains that have faded quite a lot in all that time.

[DustyMoment]

The time for peacefully enforcing the Constitution has passed. All three branches of the federal government, under both party’s rule, have been whittling away at our freedoms. If we want our country back, we will have to fight for it.

That's also what I believe. I believe that our system of government is irrevocably broken and there is no way within the system to fix it.

However, life is full of surprises and I reserve the right to be proven wrong.

[DustyMoment]

Well, I’ve lived in the south almost all of my life and haven’t heard that term used in a very long time. Thank you for clarifying your use of the term.

I would also love to see a peaceful resolution to the issues we are facing today and the blatant marxism the Obamoron is introducing. Increasingly, however, knowing the way that Washington works, I am becoming convinced that Civil War - the Sequel will be the only way to overturn the outrageous theft of our resources and naked power grabs by members of BOTH political parties. If we leave it to their devices, they will either drag it out forever or water it down so much that it will be meaningless. We can only re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land by force.

[SnarlinCubBear]

oh please, oh please, oh please G_d....

[NTHockey]

>>However, life is full of surprises and I reserve the right to be proven wrong.<<

I have learned at my age (old enough to know better, young enough to do it again) that it is best to expect the worst, you will always be pleasntly surprised.

That said, expecting the worst means that you must be prepared to survive the worst.

[triSranch]

Here is how a lot of us read the 10th Ammendment..in South Carolina.
Just doing our duty, so to speak.

10th Ammendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or !!(or)..is the BIG word here)!!! .....................to....... the......... people.”

10th amendment doesn’t just protect State/local sovereignty but also individual sovereingty that is not dependent on the State and local government.
(( to the States respectively, or to the people.))

OR = We the people!!

YOU are authorized by the Constitution, to hold the government accountable if the State/local governments do not.

This is overlooked sometimes..

[ForGod'sSake]

YOU are authorized by the Constitution, to hold the government accountable if the State/local governments do not.

Small quibble on a point I come across often; you and others may actually see it differently. If it is more or less universally agreed as to meaning, it's something we need to drive home again and again, that is, "The People" and "The States" retained those rights as creators, note that, CREATORS of the United States and grantors of specific and delineated rights/duties to the "general" government - the newly established United States.

I think the problem(if you will) is that most people have been led to believe, or otherwise reached the conclusion the feral government predated its creation by the people and the states. The sovereign people and the states were here first. In particular the 9th and 10 Amendments to the Constitution say this in very plain language. Which brings me to an aside, it seems the Constitution was written in a way that it doesn't require $500/hr attorneys or Constitutional scholars to understand it as "they" would have us believe.

The overriding intent as I read it in the Constitution and certainly the Bill of Rights is that all powers of the general government flow from the people and the states via the Constitution. The feral government is not authorized to "grant" any governmental powers to the people or the states, who retain those rights - and coincidentally, the duties. If "We the People" through our agents, the States, don't exercise our duties and responsibilities as sovereigns, we deserve what befalls us.

Which gives rise to another observation, there are quite a few people on this very forum, the premier conservative bastion on the web(which I believe BTW), that aren't altogether sure they want to exert the due diligence required to recover their duties and responsibilities. It takes on the appearance of work. Some are scared. Some, even here are beholdened to the nanny state for their piece of mind. A few are just keyboard commandos. Whatever, it has always been so...

Restoring our Republic is serious business. For various and sundry reasons, others don't see it that way. The means and methods conservatives could employ in this effort probably run the gamut. It's my humble opinion that acting through our individual States may in all liklihood be our last shot at passing on a nation to our grandchildren that we could be proud to take credit for. Otherwise, Ronald Reagan's thoughts come to mind, "We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness."

Regards,