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Ruling pleases gun owners - In certain instances, firearms can be brought into U.S. national parks
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | December 14, 2008 | Dave Golowenski

Posted on 12/15/2008 5:43:08 PM PST by neverdem

In certain instances, firearms can be brought into U.S. national parks

Not everyone was ecstatic about a decision earlier this month, but count the National Rifle Association membership among the elated civil libertarians.

The cause for applause coming from the NRA and other gun-rights advocates was a decision by the U.S. Department of the Interior that loosens 25-year-old restrictions on firearms within national parks and federal wildlife refuges.

The department ruled that federal law regarding the carrying and transportation of firearms should conform to state law. Thus, concealed carry will be allowed in national parks and wildlife refuges located in states where the law permits.

Ohio is among 48 states that permit conceal carry.

The rule change, said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist, "brings clarity and uniformity for law-abiding gun owners visiting our national parks. We are pleased that the Interior Department recognizes the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while enjoying America's national parks and wildlife refuges."

Buckeye State citizens with Ohio-issued permits may carry, for example, at Cuyahoga Valley National Park near Cleveland and at Ottawa National Wildlife Refuge near Toledo.

However, a handgun permit issued by one state will not be valid at federal parks and refuges in another state unless a reciprocity agreement exists between the home state and the visited state.

About a year ago, 51 senators -- 44 Republicans and seven Democrats -- sent a letter to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne urging that gun laws in federal parks and monuments conform to state laws. Signatories did not include Ohioans George V. Voinovich, a Republican, and Sherrod Brown, a Democrat. Nor was Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among the signers.

Obama, who takes office Jan. 20 as president, will be forced to sift through a number of 11th-hour decisions made by the Bush administration that could affect hunters, fishermen and wildlife lovers dramatically.

Ducks Unlimited, for example, noted that directives recently released by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers "on wetlands jurisdiction does not address a delayed permitting process."

Ducks Unlimited said further clarification or additional legislation is required in order to protect isolated wetlands that were ruled outside the scope of federal jurisdiction by the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Raponos vs. United States. The case hinged on whether the federal government has authority under the federal Clean Water Act of 1972 to protect water and wetlands not connected to streams or lakes under U.S. authority.

The question of jurisdiction in U.S. waters potentially is decisive for the future of North American waterfowl, particularly as pressure to grow corn increases with demand for ethanol and livestock that feed on corn.

The directive, Ducks Unlimited says, "does not clarify protections for geographically isolated wetlands such as prairie potholes and playa lakes." Most ducks that breed in the United States do so on isolated wetlands in the Prairie Pothole Region of the northern Great Plains.

"Without clear protections for these areas, many of North America's waterfowl populations will be at risk," said Scott Yaich, Ducks Unlimited's director of conservation operations. "This will also negatively affect the $76 billion that sportsmen contribute to the economy -- especially rural economies -- every year."

Also in recent days, the EPA has given its assent to the repeal of a stream buffer zone rule that prevented mining within 100 feet of streams. The Sierra Club said elimination of the rule means coal companies can "mine right up to and even through streams."

Whether the regulatory easing will do harm is a question that will be answered by the fish living -- or not -- in affected streams.

outdoors@dispatch.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bush43; concealedcarry; epa; nationalparks; nra
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1 posted on 12/15/2008 5:43:08 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
In certain instances, firearms can be brought into U.S. national parks

Oh how nice.

2 posted on 12/15/2008 5:47:03 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: neverdem

But soon, ammo will be $5 a round........


3 posted on 12/15/2008 5:56:36 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: sionnsar
Looks like I'll be able to bring my new baby eagle 40mm semi auto when I visit NP now. I'll feel a lot safer now as I am more concerned as a single woman against all the weirdo’s I've come across vs any wild life.

I have a Lab and German Shepard I can take in the national forest and I know they would defend me with their life against a mountain lion or bear but I put much more value in their lives than a physho in the wilderness

4 posted on 12/15/2008 5:57:13 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: neverdem
However, a handgun permit issued by one state will not be valid at federal parks and refuges in another state unless a reciprocity agreement exists between the home state and the visited state.

What the he!! does it matter, for come the 20th of January, confiscation begins.

Sadly enough, many see it coming and are buying out the market of firearms via immediate concern without thought of loss of their right to own. (many who voted for the empty suite to boot)

5 posted on 12/15/2008 5:57:46 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Glacier Honey
Looks like I'll be able to bring my new baby eagle 40mm semi auto ...

I think that a "40mm" semi-auto would qualify as a "Giant Eagle." ;-)

6 posted on 12/15/2008 5:58:51 PM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Glacier Honey

I’m not down on the ruling — but it’s way too little IMHO.


7 posted on 12/15/2008 5:59:41 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Glacier Honey
I have a Lab and German Shepard I can take in the national forest and I know they would defend me with their life against a mountain lion or bear...

They will give their life for you out of love via loss of battle...

8 posted on 12/15/2008 6:01:28 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Glacier Honey
new baby eagle 40mm

um, don't ya think a grenade launcher is a little overkill?

:)

9 posted on 12/15/2008 6:05:21 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: EGPWS
(many who voted for the empty suite to boot)

Um... That's "empty suit."

The Scots had a king like that once -- John Balliol (ca.1249 – ca.1314) is known to this day as "Toom Tabard" (empty coat).

10 posted on 12/15/2008 6:06:41 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: snowsislander
WHOOPS!!!! I meant 40 caliber!! May I blame it on being a girl? ;) I always use that excuse when I can.

I am totally comfortable about revolvers as that is what I grew up around but this is my first semi auto and I just finished my gun safety class for a permit to carry.

I bought some snap caps and practice every day so I can feel 100% confident when I carry

11 posted on 12/15/2008 6:08:19 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: EGPWS
I have a Lab and German Shepard I can take in the national forest and I know they would defend me with their life against a mountain lion or bear...

Rather than defend them during any attack, you will sacrifice them in order to satisfy your ego and self-righteousness.
12 posted on 12/15/2008 6:09:04 PM PST by monkeycard (There's no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: neverdem
Note: Always carry a laminated card with current laws and codes in case
you run into Barney Fife. Trust me. I carry a cheat card when I go fishing and
panning in Northern California for protection against ignorant officers
and or Forestry service personal. California laws actually protect your right to carry
a side arm or rifle if you're going to, or coming from fishing. "not driving, but walking".
13 posted on 12/15/2008 6:13:48 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: monkeycard
“Rather than defend them during any attack, you will sacrifice them in order to satisfy your ego and self-righteousness.”

Are you kidding me? What kind of comment is that? I would never sacrifice my beloved pets during any attack whether against man or beast!

I know from experience that a mountain lion or bear will GENERLY not attack a person when more than one dog is present.

Your comment is ridiculous.

14 posted on 12/15/2008 6:16:04 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: neverdem

But, but, will pot farm operators be exempt from these rules? Thought so.


15 posted on 12/15/2008 6:18:20 PM PST by Waco (Oath? What oath?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“But soon, ammo will be $5 a round........”

I guess if that happens, heaven forbid, we all become much better shots.


16 posted on 12/15/2008 6:19:37 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: EGPWS

Yes - your are so right. I take them camping and hiking with me all the time and I would defend them against any danger with the best of my ability


17 posted on 12/15/2008 6:21:04 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Glacier Honey
WHOOPS!!!! I meant 40 caliber!! May I blame it on being a girl? ;) I always use that excuse when I can.

Congrats on your new gun --- I have been thinking about adding to the collection myself.

18 posted on 12/15/2008 6:22:21 PM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: monkeycard
Rather than defend them during any attack, you will sacrifice them in order to satisfy your ego and self-righteousness.

That is one of the nuttiest things I have ever heard. You are a Kook with a capital K. You read way too much into what she was saying.

19 posted on 12/15/2008 6:23:52 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (America land soon to be of the enslaved...)
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To: sionnsar

Gee they are consenting to letting us exercise a Constitutional right under some circumstances and when they feel like it.

Whats not to like?


20 posted on 12/15/2008 6:26:21 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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