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Teens protest Chicago PD getting rifles
PoliceOne.com ^ | 11/22/2008 | Steve Schmadeke and Angela Rozas

Posted on 11/21/2008 8:58:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

CHICAGO — Nearly 100 teens marched outside Chicago police headquarters Thursday night to protest the department''s plans to equip officers with semi-automatic rifles, saying the weapons could make the streets more dangerous.

Carrying signs like "Stop the War on Youth," teens said they didn''t trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals.

"The only people who need these guns are in Iraq," said Arthur McGraw, 19, an organizer with the nonprofit Southwest Youth Collaborative, which organized the rally. "It''ll shoot through brick, car doors. Say your family is in the house eating and there''s some gang violence. When they shoot these [the bullets] can come into your house and shoot your kids."

Police spokeswoman Monique Bond said Thursday that though police have ordered and received some of the guns, police are not yet using them. Their use will be phased in over the next three years.

In April police Supt. Jody Weis said he wanted to equip all of the department''s officers with the high-powered weapons as part of an overall crime-fighting strategy, arguing that officers are outgunned on the streets. Officers currently carry pistols, and only SWAT officers carry rifles, M4 carbines.

Mayor Richard Daley publicly backed Weis'' plan, saying the rifles would put officers on equal footing with armed gangs and criminals.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; gangs; guns; leo; police; semiautomaticrifles
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To: Spktyr

“The police should not be allowed to have
any weapons that those in their jurisdiction can’t have.”
- - -
Exactly correct.
If “they” have a need for them, then so do I.


51 posted on 11/22/2008 7:09:44 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Lose the zero, ok, so we know what you’re writing about. It’s a .38.


52 posted on 11/22/2008 7:11:20 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: TNPatriot
Cops with guns. You just can't make this $hit up.
53 posted on 11/22/2008 7:13:29 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
The manufacturers should put them on the bottom of the list.

I want to thank these kids for taking the lib talking points and using it against king daley and his thugs.

His thugs will probably “lose” a couple of crates anyway to the gangs.

54 posted on 11/22/2008 7:14:57 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Lose the zero,ok... I'd love to, but the people in their infinite wisdom have spoken.
55 posted on 11/22/2008 7:54:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOL


56 posted on 11/22/2008 7:55:05 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: BenLurkin
Nobody could be that dumb!

Well, not without Bill Ayers' education reforms they couldn't.

57 posted on 11/22/2008 9:16:47 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: rfreedom4u
Obey your parents.

You did see the thread where a guy was given a pistol by his mother, didn't you?

58 posted on 11/22/2008 9:20:29 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

MP5’s fire pistol rounds. Hence the “sub-” in submachinegun.


59 posted on 11/22/2008 9:23:28 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: TNPatriot

That girl is going to be really pissed one day when she has to pull the triger and hears nothing but a CLICK.


60 posted on 11/22/2008 9:25:07 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: skimbell
On the surface in most of the state it doesn't look or sound that bad. A person is allowed to protect themselves and their family without too much concern. Sombody breaks into your house you're on pretty solid ground if you wax their ass. This isn't always the case around Shitcago. Seems to me-and I'm just commenting on what I see-that local law enforcement has a lot of latitude in how these matters are handled. What gets you thrown in the slammer in Cook County may not even get you arrested downstate. It just depends-which is BS. There ought to be some consistency in how this stuff is played out.

What is consistent is that CCW is a no-no.

I think that some individuals are eligible for a CCW permit-retired law enforcement, judges etc., but for the regular Joe, if the thugs are coming after you, you'll need to wait for police assistance, or as some do anyway take care of them with a concealed weapon and hope for the best in courts. A lot of these cases seem to find sympathetic juries and the individual often goes free. Still a huge pain in the arse for exercising a basic RIGHT.

61 posted on 11/22/2008 9:59:06 AM PST by skimbell (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten either.)
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To: Boiling Pots

On the surface in most of the state it doesn’t look or sound that bad. A person is allowed to protect themselves and their family without too much concern. Sombody breaks into your house you’re on pretty solid ground if you wax their ass. This isn’t always the case around Shitcago. Seems to me-and I’m just commenting on what I see-that local law enforcement has a lot of latitude in how these matters are handled. What gets you thrown in the slammer in Cook County may not even get you arrested downstate. It just depends-which is BS. There ought to be some consistency in how this stuff is played out.
What is consistent is that CCW is a no-no.

I think that some individuals are eligible for a CCW permit-retired law enforcement, judges etc., but for the regular Joe, if the thugs are coming after you, you’ll need to wait for police assistance, or as some do anyway take care of them with a concealed weapon and hope for the best in courts. A lot of these cases seem to find sympathetic juries and the individual often goes free. Still a huge pain in the arse for exercising a basic RIGHT.


62 posted on 11/22/2008 10:04:10 AM PST by skimbell (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten either.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Use the new guns on the protesters to make sure that they are effective!!!


63 posted on 11/22/2008 10:08:30 AM PST by dalereed
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To: PLMerite

“My counter was to point out that cops had “assault rifles” and ask whether the cops read these people their rights before they killed them ?”

Not necessary, they only have to do that to arrest them not kill them.


64 posted on 11/22/2008 10:13:11 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed
point of order!

cops do not read suspects their rights when they are arrested. biggest hollywood myth ever.

65 posted on 11/22/2008 10:15:04 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: skimbell

I am ore than likely moving to Chicago next Spring...I will be keeping my 2 handguns and my rifle.

I don’t necessarily plan on carrying my pistol around, but my wife may want to carry her .38 from time to time...just wondering what the punishments are, and if I could bring a case (denial of 2a rights) to a Judge.


66 posted on 11/22/2008 10:20:24 AM PST by Boiling Pots (I'd be laughing if it wasn't going to be so expensive.)
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To: thefactor

“cops do not read suspects their rights when they are arrested. biggest hollywood myth ever”

They had better do it in California or the arrest won’t stick.


67 posted on 11/22/2008 10:21:36 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed
cops are required to read Miranda when 2 requirements have been met:

1. arrest.

2. interogation regarding the crime for which they have been arrested.

simply arresting someone does not require them knowing their rights about silence if you are not asking them to speak.

but i am sure california has its own rules. do they read Miranda in spanish?

68 posted on 11/22/2008 10:25:48 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

” do they read Miranda in spanish?”

They sure do!


69 posted on 11/22/2008 10:27:23 AM PST by dalereed
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To: ApplegateRanch

LOL


70 posted on 11/22/2008 10:57:20 AM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Boiling Pots
First up, you are going to need a F.O.I.D. (firearm owners identification) card (get your wife one too). Just registers you as a gun owner. Doesn't allow you to carry, just something the state requires for purchasing another gun or ammunition. You have to have one for ammo etc. and if you are found with a gun and no card it's your ass. I'm not sure what the penalty for this is but it's not a laugher-Illinoisistan truly wants every citizen disarmed. Chicago is in the lead along with the collar counties but they don't have enough drag to get the downstate counties to go along with disarming the population.
So far as the penalty for carrying without a permit-not sure, but as with most gun issues in Illinois, it's probably gruesome, and you probably ought to check it out before you lite in Daleyville.
Chicago has a situation similar to D.C.’s gun ban. When the SCOTUS handed down Heller Daley damn near had a stroke and publicly stated that he didn't care what the SC said, the Chicago ban would stay in place. He's since-due to an almost immediate lawsuit from the NRA-backed off this a bit.
Bottom line, Chicago isn't a gun owners friend. Most of the rest of the state is bearable but who knows what obozo, Daley and the rest of the left have in store.
71 posted on 11/22/2008 4:20:02 PM PST by skimbell (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten either.)
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To: thefactor
biggest hollywood myth ever.

No, that would be lead bullets making sparks when they hit wood.

BTW, when is a suspect read their rights?

72 posted on 11/22/2008 5:27:40 PM PST by Eaker (Dutch expression "You can give a monkey a gold ring, but it stays an ugly thing." - EscapedDutch)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I'm torn on this one.

While I certainly want the police to have enough firepower to put these gang thugs down hard, I've known way too many Chicago cops to trust almost any of them with a rifle.

Hell, most of them shouldn't be allowed to possess slingshots...

L

73 posted on 11/22/2008 5:30:52 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Boiling Pots
just wondering what the punishments are, and if I could bring a case (denial of 2a rights) to a Judge.

In Illinois it's a Felony to carry a firearm concealed on ones person

and if I could bring a case (denial of 2a rights) to a Judge.

Feel free. Once the Judge stops laughing at you, he'll give you 2 years in the slammer.

This is Chicago we're talking about.

Do yourself a favor. Move into DuPage, Will, or Lake counties and commute.

L

74 posted on 11/22/2008 5:36:19 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: eyedigress; Spktyr

Great Briton backs up his point.


75 posted on 11/22/2008 7:45:32 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: microgood

M4 — in .223/5.56mm — that is a “hi powered rifle”? Tell that to the M4 that lives with my 7.62s. 30-06s, and .300 magnums, willya...? That will up its self-esteem tremendously... ‘-{


76 posted on 11/22/2008 9:03:39 PM PST by TXnMA (To anger a conservative, lie about him. To anger a liberal -- tell the truth...)
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To: ScoochDude

Second mag — “sidesaddled” to the one in the weapon — for quick mag change......


77 posted on 11/22/2008 9:12:59 PM PST by TXnMA (To anger a conservative, lie about him. To anger a liberal -- tell the truth...)
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To: TXnMA

The picture is not the highest resolution. I just don’t see the other magazine.


78 posted on 11/22/2008 9:37:38 PM PST by ScoochDude
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To: TXnMA
She's got it clipped or tied wrong. Yes, that's how some people did it in Vietnam, but it was discovered that taping or fastening the second magazine with the feedlips-side-down resulted in the feedlips getting bashed in, thus rendering the magazine useless.

This is the current thought on how to do it, IF you are going to do it:


79 posted on 11/23/2008 12:57:05 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TXnMA

She also needs to extend the collapsible stock on that weapon so she doesn’t have to “chickenwing” it or learn to hold it properly - doing that way is an invitation to have a round come in through the armhole of your armor.


80 posted on 11/23/2008 1:01:06 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ScoochDude

You can see the outline of the feedlips on the bottom.


81 posted on 11/23/2008 1:03:07 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr; TNPatriot; ScoochDude
LOL!!! I just tried it -- and you can put one in backwards with the feedlips up. It won't go all the way in, but it will stay in place fairly well...

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I blew up the photo and enhanced it, and that looks like a rubber baseplate bumper on the bottom to me. I also think I may be able to see the magazine's inspection punchout (on the wrong side of the mag) below the mag well line. And, I see no sign of another magazine or a clip or tape.

IOW, I'm going to reverse my analysis and say that she, indeed, went into a combat situation with her mag in backward and a risky stance -- but with good trigger-finger discipline <LOL!!> (and an empty rifle)...

I hope her training officer had her practicing loading and unloading so long and frequently that she developed blisters. Or, better yet, that they put her stupid @$$ on permanent, unarmed desk duty...

82 posted on 11/23/2008 7:42:11 AM PST by TXnMA (To anger a conservative, lie about him. To anger a liberal -- tell the truth...)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Let’s use some liberal logis. If the reason for the purchase of these dangerous assault weapons is to keep pace with gangs, why not step down. Have the police disarm, making the reasons for the gang’s firepower unnecessary.


83 posted on 11/23/2008 8:02:46 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Sarah Palin - High ideals on high heels)
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To: School of Rational Thought
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84 posted on 11/23/2008 8:17:10 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Sarah Palin - High ideals on high heels)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

People’s ignorance towards firearms would be amusing if it weren’t so dangerous to our freedom.


85 posted on 11/23/2008 2:20:28 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("Let 'em learn the hard way, 'cause teaching them is more trouble than they're worth,")
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To: TXnMA

And if it were sidesaddled, you would see the bend of the properly inserted mag going the other way.


86 posted on 11/23/2008 7:06:51 PM PST by ScoochDude
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To: ScoochDude

Correct...


87 posted on 11/23/2008 8:42:14 PM PST by TXnMA (To anger a conservative, lie about him. To anger a liberal -- tell the truth...)
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To: ApplegateRanch

hopefully you didn’t leave your cigarettes with them.. SUV, pit bull, bullets and cigarettes.. that’s enough evil to annihilate a small country!


88 posted on 11/24/2008 7:14:11 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
So the gang-bangers are upset that the cops will get varmint rifles.

lol.. that's about the most appropriate justification i've ever heard :)
using varmint rifles on gangbangers!
89 posted on 11/24/2008 7:16:02 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: Eaker

see post #68.


90 posted on 11/24/2008 7:19:04 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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