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GOP platform backs off pet issues to help McCain (Idiots all!)
yahoo news ^ | 8/27/2008 | MARTIGA LOHN

Posted on 08/27/2008 2:56:43 PM PDT by tobyhill

MINNEAPOLIS - Republicans are putting John McCain's campaign priorities above some of their pet issues, including drilling for oil in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and denying citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008rncconvention; amnesty; citizenship; hispandering; immigration; issues; mccain; rncplatform
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1 posted on 08/27/2008 2:56:44 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill; jimrob; Calpernia; AuntB

If this is true, let’s just bury the GOP in the litterbox with the rest of the catsh*t.


2 posted on 08/27/2008 3:00:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: tobyhill

Well if it was the platform I was voting for, what’s the point?


3 posted on 08/27/2008 3:02:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: tobyhill
Neato. A party that stands for nothing. Why are we supposed to be voting GOP again ?
4 posted on 08/27/2008 3:03:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: pissant
People want freakin drilling in ANWR now so instead of the GOP catering to McLame’s wishes maybe they should try representing the people's wishes.
5 posted on 08/27/2008 3:03:22 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
We're just supposed to be happy with whatever little nuggets the GOP wants to give to us servants and then keep putting them in office.
6 posted on 08/27/2008 3:05:35 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill

to be honest i think drilling in the arctic wildlife reserve is a stupid idea. there are plenty of other places to drill before we need to go up there.


7 posted on 08/27/2008 3:06:53 PM PDT by minus_273
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To: tobyhill

Platforms are meaningless.

I have no doubt what an Obama Presidency would do to these issues, as well as hundreds of others.

Literally, thousands and thousands of lives are at stake. Bringing up the “platform” is nearly absurd.

Entertaining notions that Obama would “bring conservatives together” or otherwise strengthen the conservative movement in any way is even more absurd.


8 posted on 08/27/2008 3:07:13 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: tobyhill

It’s the GOP’s election to lose. Living up to the name McLame.


9 posted on 08/27/2008 3:08:36 PM PDT by itsthejourney
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To: tobyhill
once again it's time to light up the Washington DC keyboard
10 posted on 08/27/2008 3:08:40 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: minus_273
A majority of people want it and these clowns are elected to give it to us. All they have to do is vote on opening it up and we're still 10 years away. Stalling the inevitable is accomplishing nothing.
11 posted on 08/27/2008 3:10:36 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: Wiseghy

Platforms are not meaningless. Without a guiding platform, you get miscreants like McCain zigging and zagging every which way and contemplating joining Kerry as VP.


12 posted on 08/27/2008 3:12:39 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Why grant citizenship to children of illegal aliens. A good number of illegal aliens are terrorists and members of violent gangs. Yep, McCain voted against barring terrorists and violent criminals from entering the US. Only nine other Republican senators supported McCain in this craziness.
13 posted on 08/27/2008 3:13:37 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: tobyhill
Republicans are putting John McCain's campaign priorities above some of their pet issues

The story's lead is rather misleading. Read the whole thing. It's not bad, actually. Border fence, English the official U.S. language. No assertion of man causing global warming. Emphasizes that environmental concerns can't be used to try to change Americans' way of life.

Further down, you read that the platform draft didn't have a lot of McCain's pet opinions in it, either. The document is just a guideline in any case, but it's tougher than most GOP platforms I've seen described.

14 posted on 08/27/2008 3:13:42 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Wiseghy

Thats funny ... that business plan I crafted for each of my three businesses were worthless ...

Broad statements that keep me on track and those that are interested in my business ... it provides credence to custimers and credibility to creditors

Oh silly me....I forgot .. we are dealing with brilliant RINO’s that are onmniscient in thought and don’t need to be reminded who they are.

Platforms tell us who we are, wheree we are going and when we vear off. The A$$wipes in our gutless republican party don’t need no stinkin direction .. they know it all .. in fact they know better than you and I

Ask Juan McLame .. he will tell you.


15 posted on 08/27/2008 3:14:46 PM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: tobyhill
GOP platform backs off pet issues to help McCain

Why not? McCain will "reach across the aisle"TM and pick up his copy of the Democrat platform anyway.
16 posted on 08/27/2008 3:17:36 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: tobyhill

Them nuggets have shrunk to sand grains. It’ll be quarks by 2012.


17 posted on 08/27/2008 3:18:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: tobyhill

Odd . . .

I was under the impression that the GOP’s Platform is a bottom up agenda. That is, resolutions are drafted at the BPOU level and passed along upward. I have been part of the process at the county and state level and assumed that the national agenda reflected the will of Party activists from every state. In this way, goals are truly those of the people.

RAT’s OTOH, set their agenda from the top down . . .

If this report is true, then the Pubbies have left me and the tenets of the GOP behind. Looks like I’ll need to find new company.


18 posted on 08/27/2008 3:18:45 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: SamuraiScot
I'm tired of having to accept “compromising platforms”. Sure there's good things in the platform but it's not the picture that Americans need. Americans need to know that the GOP is willing to go wherever there's oil and put a freakin pipe in it. There's 12 billion barrels in ANWR and it's not the governments oil to withhold from the American people, it's our oil.
19 posted on 08/27/2008 3:20:33 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: pissant
Without a guiding platform, you get miscreants like McCain zigging and zagging every which way and contemplating joining Kerry as VP.

Sure opens the door to say "You knew what you were getting when you voted for him".
20 posted on 08/27/2008 3:21:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: Wiseghy
Platforms are meaningless.

Of course they are. Having principles and goals is really stupid. Better by far to ape meaningless platitudes and pander constantly to the lowest common denominator. Only in that way can the party be successful and when firmly in control of the country, we can revert to principle and ideals.

/sarc
21 posted on 08/27/2008 3:22:28 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: pissant; BGHater; All

Face it. If McCain had any intention of honoring his ‘enforcement first’ primary campaign promise, as a Senator he’d have the Senate pushing it now. Why wait?

I don’t know if it does any good, but here’s the contact for the GOP platform committees.

From the RNC Platform Committee website:

“Welcome to the most grassroots-driven platform development effort in the history of American politics!

The Republican Party is seeking your input as we develop the policies and principles upon which we should stand for the next four years. On this website, you can share your thoughts, participate in polls, and communicate directly with the policymakers who will be shaping the party’s agenda. All comments and feedback will be reviewed and taken into full consideration as we prepare for our convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

We hope that this process will guarantee the greatest amount of public input into any platform in American history!”
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/intro.aspx


22 posted on 08/27/2008 3:22:59 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: tobyhill; VeniVidiVici; I still care; mnehrling

I keep sending the below letter anytime I receive a request from the GOP or McCain staff.

I do not accept your invitation to join the political junkies who find compromise of conservative principles a way to office. In general saying, “Vote for us. We are just as good as the Democrats” will not work.

Besides John McCain’s problems with abortion, granting amnesty to illegal aliens and restricting freedom of speech, he is severely deficient in the areas of national security and integrity.

Politics is the art of compromise and leadership is the art of principle. Lincoln used superb political skills to implement some of the most cogent and insightful principles to guide this nation. McCain has used political skills to implement compromises consistent with increasing personal acclaim among liberal media and politicians.

The former is dead and the latter is alive, but dead to principles unrelated to his immediate personal advancement. Since leadership is absent from the Democrat and Republican Parties, each individual must make a way to manage commitment to principle and political party affiliation. Each individual must answer questions as to what extent, under what circumstances and when, if ever, do you forsake conservative principles to align with an enemy of your beliefs against a greater enemy of your beliefs? People should not delude themselves into thinking they are making a morally or ethically supportable choice when such weighty utilitarian and cynical issues dominate.

John McCain lacks leadership for the War on Terror. His leadership codified the Army interrogation manual making terrorists legal combatants. His leadership granted terrorists American citizenship rights under Fifth, Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments. He thereby ensures information vital to defeat terrorists remains sacred and unobtainable. Terrorists are unresponsive to direct questioning and psychological gambits. Therefore, interrogators need all stress and coercion techniques our military encounters in survival schools. McCain embraces liberal orthodoxy considering those methods torture, but his searing experiences call forth contrary insights he must suppress.

McCain especially understands from the Geneva Conventions terrorists are not insurgents or freedom fighters; when captured, certainly not prisoners of war. They are not armed forces, militias, or volunteer corps of any country or authority. These killers are not members of organized resistance movements carrying arms openly. They have no distinctive identifier. Terrorists cannot even qualify as spies or saboteurs destroying infrastructure required to support military operations. McCain understands Geneva Conventions intended to isolate such forces, provide them no protections, and allow destruction with any overwhelming furies needed to crush their abominations. Knowing these factors he has promised to close Guantanamo Bay, inviting terrorists into our legal system. He has decided to accommodate extraordinarily savage behavior, which checkmates national laws intended to manage simple murder and kidnapping, and renders Posse Comitatus a crumbling deception.

McCain especially appreciates from our Constitution that laws guaranteeing civil liberties presuppose operation within an invincible society. He more than most understands Alexander Hamilton’s words that devastating, unforeseeable perils must lead deliberations. The Federal government’s three branches primary responsibility is to pursue Hamilton’s admonition that powers exist without limitation; providing capabilities thwarting dangers as well as repelling attacks. McCain understands powerful warfare capabilities require potent intelligence acquisition and exploitation before and throughout campaigns.

The framers of our Constitution and the Geneva Conventions held powerful positions throughout the darkest times of our country and the world. They were our Founding Fathers, and parents and grandparents of the Greatest Generation. Their words expressed durable morality earned in our fight for freedom, and against the ultimate bloody deluge of the 20th century. These first generations expressed principles derived from confronting shattering tragedies, and earning peace through victory. John McCain’s actions are particularly reprehensible because he turns a blind eye to the council of these people.

McCain continually seeks popular advancement by placating those coveting luxurious morality requiring shelter from hard choices and danger awareness. His crime is repudiating military and intelligence professionals facing hard choices when confronting shrewd, ruthless enemies obscured behind frightening uncertainties.

John McCain succumbed to the terrible addiction of political power. The same addiction expressed itself differently in fellow Navy officer Randy Cunningham, who was the Navy’s first Vietnam ace. Over the decades the honor and moral authority of both were gradually traded away for influence in the political arena. To me McCain is like a cadaver prepared for viewing. The removal of blood and organs equates to the trading away of honor and moral authority. The reputation that remains is like the cosmetics applied for viewing the corpse at the funeral. It is easy for anyone to get onto the same sort of gently downward sloping path. The final result is tragic, but we should not suffer such a pathetic and contemptible modern day Macbeth or Hamlet as President.


23 posted on 08/27/2008 3:23:56 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: SamuraiScot
There's a pony in there somewhere. I have been watching the platform committee hearings. The McCainites are blocking and manipulating the GOP platform to conform to McCain's wishes.

The Border Fence is nothing new. And Obama and McCain both signed the 2006 Secure Fence Act, which passed the senate 80-19.

The issue of global warming has been changed to climate change. Why? Because the earth's temperature has been roughly the same since 1998 and the forecast is that we will have a "slight cooling" over the next decade. Hence, in order to perpetuate this hoax, you must change the name so you can implement cap and trade legislation to wreck the economy.

The McCainites were successful in blocking an amendment that would have changed support for "drilling in Alaska to "drilling in ANWR." It was a close vote but the amendment failed because of the concern about McCain and his position against drilling in ANWR." The McCainites said that "McCain was not there yet." The amendment was killed despite the concerns that this would hurt Reps running down ballot.

24 posted on 08/27/2008 3:26:00 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tobyhill

It’s all a sick game for $$$.

Run the gas price up to $4.69 a gallon and today I paid 4.27 and felt lucky!! Put McCain up and we feel ‘lucky’ ‘cause he isn’t Obama! Which is the only reason Bush got elected. He wasn’t Bill Clinton.

Talk about sloppy seconds.


25 posted on 08/27/2008 3:26:43 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Retain Mike
My love for country can NOT TOLERATE McCain!

With McCain as our nominee, who needs enemies?

When the GOP or McCain ask for money to support McCain, print and send them one of these.

"But we STILL have people here
trying to convince us
it would be better than voting for Obama"

Vote Bob Barr.

26 posted on 08/27/2008 3:27:11 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: AuntB

Replace McCain with this Dem.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2069380/posts


27 posted on 08/27/2008 3:27:28 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Why are "we" supposed to be voting GOP again?

Same answer as for the past umpteen elections?

Because they (GOP) aren't Democrats, after all!

But no longer being a part of the "we", I won't be voting GOP again, most especially for that prime reason.

So, the rest of "we", excluding "me", can and surely have the choice to cast their votes as they see fit. I know I will or will not as the case may be.

28 posted on 08/27/2008 3:28:11 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?")
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To: Yosemitest
If only somehow something would save us from a McCain or Obama presidency.
29 posted on 08/27/2008 3:30:34 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: Jane Austen
If only somehow something would save us from a McCain or Obama presidency.

Nader or Barr sounds like the perfect place to toss your vote.

30 posted on 08/27/2008 3:34:31 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: tobyhill

The Grand Old Politburo has spoken comrades.

OBEY


31 posted on 08/27/2008 3:36:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: tobyhill
Drilling is the main road to a victory for them. Looks like the idiots are going to throw away their only advantage.

It's almost comical.
32 posted on 08/27/2008 3:38:28 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: tobyhill
Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the Greatest Show under the Big Tent. And now for the coming main attraction. Master Elephant Trainer John McCain will preform an amazing feat that has never been attempted. He will on Tuesday November 4 make an Elephant roll over and play dead before his cheering audience of his loyal friends The Rockefeller Republicans & the Democratic Party.

Buy your tickets now for this spectacular Freak Show by placing a donation to the RNC The RINO's National Committee. It promises to be far greater than previous freak shows such as the 1976 Ford campaign or the 1996 Bob Dole campaign. Buy your straight party tickets now in advance at your nearest Democratic or Republican local headquarters.

33 posted on 08/27/2008 3:38:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Wiseghy
Entertaining notions that Obama would “bring conservatives together” or otherwise strengthen the conservative movement in any way is even more absurd.

Oh yeah, it was really ABSURD when Clinton won the Presidency and the GOP for the first time in 40 years won congressional control. Clinton's win really "brought conservatives together" to support the CWA. In fact Clinton started and had to follow the conservative congressional lead on issues like Welfare Reform!

That was just plain stupid wasn't it?

34 posted on 08/27/2008 3:40:17 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: Yosemitest

Bob Barr still works for the American Civil Liberties Union! The ACLU truly has a long history of helping both terrorists and illegal immigrants over legal U.S. residents and over U.S. legal immigrants throughout the U.S.! Bob Barr now runs for POTUS in a political party which truly wants to: legalize all illegal drug use, legalize all porn, including legalizing all child porn, wants “open borders” instead of fences along the land borders of the U.S. and is for abortions! There’s no way that any true conservative will ever seriously vote for Bob Barr for POTUS!


35 posted on 08/27/2008 3:40:57 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: pissant

We knew our conservative platform would get buried with the election of a RINO. The only way to get people to rally to McCain was to put up a blatant scare tactic like Obama. Look how many conservatives would have supported Hillary just to preserve our platform. This is why Hillary was thrown under the bus by the puppet masters, IMO. A RINO was the only way to kill our platform once and for all.


36 posted on 08/27/2008 4:00:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Doogle

Uh, no ... the platform is being written in Minneapolis by the RNC Platform committee.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2UwOTUzYWM0ZTcwZDlhNzdmNTAwMWJhMTRjMTBhZjY=

If you want your input you can contact your RNC state committeeman/woman. There was a website that was taking input too.

Draft platform:

http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2008/08/25/fulldraftaug25.pdf

GOP convention info:
http://www.gopconvention2008.com/


37 posted on 08/27/2008 4:02:15 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: Wiseghy

An Obama Presidency would not hurt the Conservative Platform. A McCain Presidency would.


38 posted on 08/27/2008 4:03:03 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: tobyhill
God Almighty. So my choices are...

1.) A Commie

2.) A Socialist

3.) A guy who works with the freaking ACLU.

How the Hell did it come to this?! Good Lord, this is depressing.

39 posted on 08/27/2008 4:05:55 PM PDT by GeorgeBerryman
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To: WorkingClassFilth

“I was under the impression that the GOP’s Platform is a bottom up agenda. That is, resolutions are drafted at the BPOU level and passed along upward. I have been part of the process at the county and state level and assumed that the national agenda reflected the will of Party activists from every state. In this way, goals are truly those of the people.”

It does actually. The RNC platform committee membership comes from the state parties.

“If this report is true”
Yikes! Since when do you buy the MSM story ...

Here’s the draft platform - NOTE JUST A DRAFT:
http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2008/08/25/fulldraftaug25.pdf

One snippet:
Appointing Constitutionalist Judges for the Nation’s Courts
17 Judicial activism is a grave threat to the rule of law because unaccountable federal judges are
18 usurping democracy, ignoring the Constitution and its separation of powers, and imposing their
19 personal opinions upon the public. This must stop.
20 We condemn the Supreme Court’s disregard of homeowners’ property rights in its Kelo decision and
21 deplore the Court’s arbitrary extension of Americans’ habeas corpus rights to enemy combatants held
22 abroad. We object to the Court’s unwarranted interference in the administration of the death penalty
23 in this country for the benefit of savage criminals whose guilt is not at issue. We lament that judges
24 have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional
25 marriage laws from coast to coast. We are astounded that four justices of the Supreme Court believe
26 that individual Americans have no individual right to bear arms to protect themselves and their
27 families.
28 Republicans will insist on the appointment of constitutionalist judges, men and women who will not
29 distort our founding documents to deny the people’s right to self-government, sanction federal
30 powers that violate our liberties, or inject foreign law into American jurisprudence.
31 Republicans oppose stealth nominations. Nominees to the Supreme Court must have a clear and
32 distinguished record that leaves no doubt about their respect for the Constitution and their intellectual
33 fortitude.
34 We reject the Democrats’ view that judicial nominees should guarantee particular results even before
35 the case is filed. Judges should not be politicians.

etc.
48 PAGES ... NOT SHORT!


40 posted on 08/27/2008 4:06:00 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: tobyhill

41 posted on 08/27/2008 4:07:04 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: AuntB

Wonder how long after McCain takes office the highly successful ICE raids will disappear?


42 posted on 08/27/2008 4:08:35 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Calpernia

They even added some language recognizing the threat of global warming. I guess Juan and Fred were just ahead of the curve. LOL


43 posted on 08/27/2008 4:09:56 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: tobyhill

NOTE TO ALL:

Read the platform first before judging it.
Way to may “Shoot first, ask questions later” type comments.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=avmVTejizjBw&refer=home

Members of the party’s conservative wing have been wary of McCain, in part because of his stances on immigration and global warming. Donald Devine of the American Conservative Union said he was satisfied with the draft.

``It’s certainly a vast improvement over the 2004 document,’’ Devine, vice chairman of the advocacy group based in Alexandria, Virginia, said.

http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2008/08/25/fulldraftaug25.pdf


44 posted on 08/27/2008 4:11:10 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: cva66snipe

Nice job!


45 posted on 08/27/2008 4:11:40 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: WOSG

O.K., fine. The Platform goes forward (I’ll accept that when I read it Monday, though) but the eternal problem remains - how do we get the RINOs elected (under pretense of supporting the Platform) to act on it?


46 posted on 08/27/2008 4:13:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Calpernia

I see it the same, Cal.


47 posted on 08/27/2008 4:14:04 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

UH ... They dont. “Platforms dont mean anything” is the usual guide. So the best answer is we dump RINOs in the primaries...

ALAS... WE HAVE TROUBLE DUMPING OUR RINO GARBAGE...

http://corner.nationalreview.co


Over at Reason.com, Radley Balko suggests that Ron Paul’s endorsement of Rep. Don “Bridge-to-Nowhere” Young may have made the difference in yesterday’s Alaska primary. Young hasn’t officially won yet, but he holds a small lead over conservative challenger Sean Parnell.

Thanks a lot, Ron Paul.


PS. Huckabee *ALSO* endorsed the egregiously porky big-spender Don Young.


48 posted on 08/27/2008 4:17:11 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: GeorgeBerryman

Write in the best man for the job. Yeah, I know all the arguments against it, I’ve used them myself...sigh.

When the Dems and GOP get enough voters not blinding marking anything with an R or D beside it’s name that they and the media put forth, they’ll get the message. It’s either that or go for the “same ol’, same ol’, gettin’ worse every day” that they keep sticking us with.


49 posted on 08/27/2008 4:17:48 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“Bob Barr still works for the American Civil Liberties Union”

Didnt know that ... but it figures.

Supporting the LP is just a bonkers idea.


50 posted on 08/27/2008 4:19:09 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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