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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: dbacks

McCain is alert and sharp tonight, he has not missed a beat.


1,081 posted on 08/16/2008 6:33:50 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AliVeritas

What’s rich? That depends on where you live and a lot of factors. Don’t worry about what someone else makes doing their job, get educated and get a better job, get a second job or stay where you are.


1,082 posted on 08/16/2008 6:33:56 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: FocusNexus
Hate....

That's what some of you resort to, when some of us disagree with your candidate...

..you immediately push the 'hate rhetoric'....

HEY...IT'S ALL YOURS....MY OPINION ISN'T WANTED AND I WILL LEAVE YOU TO YOUR LOVE FEST.

1,083 posted on 08/16/2008 6:33:58 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: nobama08

She would make a marvelous First Lady!

Mccain is cleaning Obama’s clock with his deciveness and his honesty...it shows.


1,084 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:05 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hey TN, McCain has a clue and has lived in the real world.

and as he speaks, his youngest son is based here in San Diego in the Marines and has done a tour in Iraq


1,085 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:18 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: KavMan

lmao....paternity issue with Da Bears.


1,086 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:20 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Guenevere

Oh the deal is not signed yet...

I remember the AMNESTY Bil...

It still will depend on his VP


1,087 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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McCain is soooooo funny tonight!


1,088 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:28 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: mainepatsfan

I can hear Chrissy Matthews Monday: “Wow, Mccain says if you make $4MM/year you are not rich..what do you think about that Rachel?”


1,089 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:51 PM PDT by WesA
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To: Guenevere

I am no particular fan of McCain, and I imagine some of the others here tonight who are in a good mood are not fans either.

Still, we’re seeing two good things:

1. McCain actually has a pulse, which is more than alot of us expected.

2. More importantly, he is sticking his foot square up Obama’s ass. This is a case of a guy I don’t like much punching out an obnoxious guy I can’t stand.


1,090 posted on 08/16/2008 6:34:53 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: KavMan

I woulda said ‘Bill Gates and Soros = rich’

250k is not rich. OBama is a nutter


1,091 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:04 PM PDT by modest proposal (Congress (n). Place where you can be supported in comfort by the state to talk stupid)
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To: Califreak

LOL!!!


1,092 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:08 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: AmericanMade1776

And he didn’t go to Hawaii


1,093 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:09 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: Shortstop7

I didn’t believe he would really say it.

COme on, come on say it-Ginsberg!

This is not the McCain I knew...


1,094 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:12 PM PDT by Califreak (Time to give the empty suits a one way ticket to the cleaners!)
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To: txroadkill
"who the hell is this guy and what has he done with McCain? I'm blown away and I have never liked McCain. He's got my vote

"who the hell is this guy and what has he done with McCain? I'm blown away and I have never liked McCain. He's got my vote

"who the hell is this guy and what has he done with McCain? I'm blown away and I have never liked McCain. He's got my vote

1,095 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:26 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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As God as my witness, I may end up voting for this guy.


1,096 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:28 PM PDT by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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To: AliVeritas

Double FRINK

hic


1,097 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:33 PM PDT by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: SoCalPol

Yes I know

Son in Iraq

McCain is for the troops...

Theres no illegal immigration question

Wish there was...


1,098 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: AmericanMade1776

I haven’t seen McCain this animated in a long time. He’s coming across very well.


1,099 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:34 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: keepitreal

McCain: “doesn’t matter what my definition of rich is, I don’t want to raise any ones taxes”


1,100 posted on 08/16/2008 6:35:41 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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