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Radiocarbon Dating of Malibu Artifacts Confirms Importance of Farpoint Site
Malibu Surfside News ^ | 5-14-2008 | ANNE SOBLE

Posted on 05/15/2008 4:01:32 PM PDT by blam

Radiocarbon Dating of Malibu Artifacts Confirms Importance of Farpoint Site

• National Science Foundation and Smithsonian Officials Are Among Those Urging Preservation and Additional Archaeological Research at Point Dume Property •

BY ANNE SOBLE

Archaeologist Gary Stickel announced at a recent lecture at the Malibu Public Library that a stone spearhead, or point, found at a local construction site by a Native American project monitor in 2005 has been established as an artifact from the oldest archaeological find in the City of Malibu. Radiocarbon dating of mussel shell fragments from the site that was provided gratis by the National Science Foundation at the Accelerator Mass Spectrometer Laboratory at the University of Arizona dates them to 9074 BP (Be­fore Present).

The shells would have been brought to the site, Dr. Stickel says, by the area’s prehistoric inhabitants, ancestors of the Chumash, the earliest recorded Native Americans who inhabited much of the immediate coastal area, including Malibu.

The archaeologist and his research associate, James Flaherty, indicate that the shell samples were found above the level where the spearhead, believed to be a Clovis era artifact, representing the “oldest identifiable culture in the New World,” was found. The date that Clovis people might have occupied the site has not been established, but proponents of their presence think they could have inhabited Malibu from 12,500 to 11,000 years ago.

Stickel says that Edgar Perez’s find of the spearhead, unearthed during construction work on private property on Point Dume, is “a major archaeological discovery of almost unlimited significance.”

The ebullient archaeologist, who dispenses copies of a letter confirming his role as an archaeological consultant for the film “Raiders of the Lost Ark” the way other PhDs provide CVs, says the Farpoint site, as the property is known, “keeps yielding new secrets that are important” to learning about the people who lived in Malibu 9000 and more years ago.

Stickel says, “There is vital additional work to be done at the site.” The current property owner prohibits further excavation, but Stickel hopes to raise the funds to acquire the site and permanently protect it. He adds, “Additional excavation could provide human teeth or bone material that could [corroborate] theories of human habitation.”

Dennis Stanford, the chief archaeologist at the Smithsonian Institution and a Clovis era expert, says Farpoint is a “site of national significance and requires interdisciplinary research and protection.”

A growing chorus of archaeological voices supports additional exploration of the site that some say could hold the key to where the people who inhabited the western coastal areas originated.

Stickel has urged the public to take greater interest in the find and rally behind the call for more research. He is critical of what he describes as a lack of interest by Malibu municipal officials in local archaeology. Farpoint’s champion says, “Unfortunately, the City of Malibu is not following the recommendations of Dr. Stanford and has done nothing to protect and preserve this special site.”


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1 posted on 05/15/2008 4:01:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 05/15/2008 4:01:57 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Radiocarbon Dating of Malibu Artifacts Confirms Importance of Farpoint Site

Wait till Q shows up.

3 posted on 05/15/2008 4:03:58 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Rofl! @ obscure TNG reference :D


4 posted on 05/15/2008 4:07:13 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase
Rofl! @ obscure TNG reference :D

Yeah, I'm dating myself (because no one else will date me)!

5 posted on 05/15/2008 4:09:09 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: blam

what happened to “AD”?


6 posted on 05/15/2008 4:13:30 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

That ‘Farpoint” show was awful........


7 posted on 05/15/2008 4:29:39 PM PDT by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
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To: blam
who dispenses copies of a letter confirming his role as an archaeological consultant for the film “Raiders of the Lost Ark”

I -AM- somebody!

8 posted on 05/15/2008 4:43:10 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: blam
they could have inhabited Malibu from 12,500 to 11,000 years ago.

Paging Jim Rockford, paging Jim Rockford...

9 posted on 05/15/2008 4:45:09 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: blam

Reality calling, people... carbon dating has been proven invalid... look it up...


10 posted on 05/15/2008 4:46:40 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Righter-than-Rush

C-14 dating is valid, accurate within its limits and becoming more accurate all the time with continuing research.


11 posted on 05/15/2008 4:58:06 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: blam
...the National Science Foundation at the Accelerator Mass Spectrometer Laboratory at the University of Arizona dates them to 9074 BP (Before Present).

They don't specify what this date represents. Is this the measured age, the conventional age, or the calibrated intercept?

The answer to that question can make a difference of a couple of thousand years.

In either case, they indicate that this date has little relation to the age of the point; this date would represent a minimum age, which in this case is of little value. Clovis is clearly much older.

12 posted on 05/15/2008 5:30:10 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Righter-than-Rush
Reality calling, people... carbon dating has been proven invalid... look it up...

No need to look it up--I work with radiocarbon dating on nearly a daily basis. I have written monographs and delivered papers on the subject. I selected another sample to submit today, and I have three being processed at the moment. This will bring my total number of samples submitted to nearly 600.

Plus, I am probably more familiar with the creationist literature on radiocarbon dating than you are, as well.

So, please inform me as to how "carbon dating has been proven invalid" -- I eagerly await your reply.

In the meantime, here are some useful links for anyone who wants accurate data on the subject:

ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.

Radiocarbon -- full text of issues, 1959-2003.


13 posted on 05/15/2008 5:50:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: miliantnutcase
The really obscure TNG reference would be, "Farpoint Site. Even the name sounds mysterious."
14 posted on 05/15/2008 7:33:23 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: blam

Those guys knew good real estate when they saw it.


15 posted on 05/15/2008 8:44:24 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: "America is the greatest country on earth, help me change America.")
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To: Mike Darancette
"Those guys knew good real estate when they saw it."

With lower ocean levels at that time, I expect it'd be quite a bit inland, not beach front property.

16 posted on 05/15/2008 9:04:20 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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17 posted on 05/15/2008 11:36:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: blam
With lower ocean levels at that time, I expect it'd be quite a bit inland, not beach front property.

But the wise ones among knew that someday their ancestors would invent ways to make the oceans rise.

18 posted on 05/16/2008 7:42:40 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: "America is the greatest country on earth, help me change America.")
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