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Old cemetery poses grave dilemma for buyers of Vt. farm
Associated Press ^ | Sunday, May 4, 2008 | LISA RATHKE

Posted on 05/04/2008 10:13:39 AM PDT by rarestia

HARTLAND, Vt. (AP) -- The 130-acre property was exactly what Michel Guite and his family wanted: an old Vermont farm with mountain views, rolling hills and meadows.

There was, however, one wrinkle: The property included a small family cemetery _ with the grave of a War of 1812 veteran _ surrounded by a fence on a scenic knoll.

His proposal to move the graveyard so he can build a house and barn has set off protests. The town has passed a resolution aimed at blocking the move, a descendant of one occupant of the graveyard is trying to fight him in probate court and opponents including military veterans have asked the town to take over the cemetery and keep it where it is.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: cemetery; ggg; warof1812
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*sigh*

This comment is just wrong:

Among other things, he doesn't want the graves around his three young children. "I feel that it's improper to have a reminder of the sadness of life so near where children are playing," he said in February.

But it's somehow ok to disinter people who've been there since before your ancestors were born? Moral relativism ping!

1 posted on 05/04/2008 10:13:39 AM PDT by rarestia
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To: rarestia

Then those”kids” had better not watch Bambi.


2 posted on 05/04/2008 10:17:24 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: rarestia

You can’t take that comment seriously. He just wants a house there and that’s all there is to it. He figures the scenery is being wasted on the dead and he wants to move them so he can enjoy the scenery himself. And he can’t build his house right next to the graveyard because that would hurt his property value.


3 posted on 05/04/2008 10:20:09 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: rarestia

I have a cousin in MS, that was dirt poor until they discovered gas on land that his grandfather sold but had kept the mineral rights. Tommy got Beverly Hillbilly rich real fast and bought a thousand acre soybean farm. In the middle of one of the fields was a stand of scrubby trees and brush and he decided to remove it to make plowing easier. He found an old abandoned family cemetary there. Rather than view it as a negative, he cleared the trees and restored the stones and fence around it. He saw it as one more blessing to have something to give back.


4 posted on 05/04/2008 10:21:32 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: rarestia
Me, I would have incorporated the grave site into a nice reflective garden near the house.

Dug up only the facts about the life of the soldier in the grave so I could have them on hand if anybody asked.

5 posted on 05/04/2008 10:21:36 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: rarestia

Only one solution to this. Sell the property and go somewhere else. He has poisoned his relations with the town before he has even moved in, and in a small town, that is fatal.

A small town is a community, in which newcomers may be offered hospitality if they show some respect and neighborly feelings.

This calls to mind a recent interesting article I read in First Things, suggesting that the very essence of a community is coming together to pray for and bury their dead. Once that custom has been put aside, the community will grow vague and dissolve, as it has in any modern suburb.


6 posted on 05/04/2008 10:22:35 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rarestia

“Old cemetery poses grave dilemma for buyers of Vt. farm”

Best....Headline....Ever.


7 posted on 05/04/2008 10:23:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (You can't perform a circumcision with a chainsaw!)
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To: mamelukesabre
I'd think that some where in his 130 acres, there is another spot with great views.

Maybe it would be a good idea for him to pass on buying the property and find another place that is more suitable for him.

8 posted on 05/04/2008 10:24:45 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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62 year-old from Greenwich Connecticut has "three young children." Another Baby Boomer with lots of money and no character still trying to get it right.

I hope the town stands firm. Let this jerk find a "scenic knoll" somewhere else for his house.

9 posted on 05/04/2008 10:24:51 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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But it’s somehow ok to disinter people who’ve been there since before your ancestors were born?

Hint; not people any longer.
He’s just lucky it isn’t an Indian graveyard.


10 posted on 05/04/2008 10:25:13 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: rarestia

‘grave dilemma’ ? sounds series.


11 posted on 05/04/2008 10:25:54 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: rarestia

Idiot. This could be a great place to introduce the kids to history...


12 posted on 05/04/2008 10:34:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Grunthor

That’s up there with “N.J. Devils wait for Satan to arrive”.


13 posted on 05/04/2008 10:34:37 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: rarestia

He knew the cemetery was on the property when he bought the land so if it was going to be such a problem why didn’t he just look elsewhere?


14 posted on 05/04/2008 10:38:12 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Cicero

I would keep it, I think it’s a lovely thing to do, but he doesn’t. If he owned the property with rights to do this, I’d say he has the right, but he hasn’t bought the land, so he should not. Let it go, this isn’t the place for you Mister.

He’s shallow, but he’s allowed to be. He probably wants to build some (what I call) Monument to Self. A 6000+ sf home for a small family.
I considered burying my family members ashes on our property, but ultimately didn’t because we won’t be here for years.


15 posted on 05/04/2008 10:40:06 AM PDT by Sparky7450
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To: rarestia
Did the idiot not know that the cemetery was there when he bought the farm? And why has the state not passed laws that declare cemeteries as not part of any buy? They should also pass a law that says that there is a required 12 foot road required for access to the cemetery and it should not be part of the buy (farm) either.
16 posted on 05/04/2008 10:40:51 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Cicero
I agree with your assessment about small communities and caring for the final resting place, and honoring the dead.

Among the men folk in our small community, three times a year they mow, and clean up our local cements. The old timers kind of supervise while the younger men do the mowing

We women, get together and make sure everyone that served in the military buried there has a flag and flower on their grave for Decorations Day (Memorial Day)

We have veterans from every war buried there.

I take special care to see one woman gets a flag on her grave although she did not serve.

The inscription on her tombstone tells of her 3 sons and her husband who died when their ship was sunk during the Revolution.

On Decorations Day, you will find just about every person from our community there for the services.

17 posted on 05/04/2008 10:48:19 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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Who takes care of the cemetary now?
Who keeps that neat white fence painted?
Who pays for those big trees to be trimmed?
Who does all the weeding necessary in the cemetary?

Is there a right of way across the land to get to the cemetary? Will the new owner be responsible if anyone gets injured on his property because they tripped over a stone on their way to the cemetary?

And who wants strangers tramping over his land, and kids who may use the cemetary for illegal purposes? If this man buys the land he’ll probably get arrested for allowing people to use illegal drugs on his land.

For gosh sakes, build a monument to the 1812 war vet and put it in the town square.


18 posted on 05/04/2008 10:51:09 AM PDT by kitkat (Over the Hill(ary))
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To: Sparky7450

Adjacent to my dad’s farm (in Bama), there was a 40-acre site where in the middle...was the graves of the husband and wife who came there and settled in the mid-1800’s. The graves sat there for all those years. Sometime in the 1980s, the property got sold to some local farmer, who quietly went out there one night and removed the gravestones. The next spring....he plowed the entire field...including the 6 foot by 6 foot section where the couple was buried. No one noticed this much...the grave was a good 400 off the paved road, and you had to stretch to see the stone anyway. It was a year or two later before anyone noticed this and mentioned this to the farmer. He didn’t care, and most folks just looked the other way. My dad didn’t have much positive to say about the guy...but admitted later that at least a hundred graves in the local area were like that in the 1950s, and almost all of them have had the stones removed in the past forty years.


19 posted on 05/04/2008 10:53:03 AM PDT by pepsionice
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These small cemeteries litter the South. I’ve come across a few in the backwoods of Ft Campbell and Ft Polk, probably long since forgotten.

We have a very old very cemetery. The headstones exist but have worn down to just about nothing. About 20 people rest there. I had proposed moving them to a brighter spot but the rest of the family didn’t think too highly of my idea.


20 posted on 05/04/2008 10:54:48 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy - Codename -> "Bobber")
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