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1 posted on 03/28/2008 12:28:59 PM PDT by neverdem
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...The pilot has to take his gun off and lock it up before he leaves the cockpit, so he was trying to secure the gun in preparation for landing, ..

Huh? preparation for landing includes leaving the cockpit..I never knew that.

2 posted on 03/28/2008 12:31:50 PM PDT by SGCOS (Life's a bitch, we don't need to elect one.)
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To: neverdem

They never blame the operator of the firearm. It’s always the firearm or some BS circumstance.


3 posted on 03/28/2008 12:32:53 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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"The pilot has to take his gun off and lock it up before he leaves the cockpit, so he was trying to secure the gun in preparation for landing, while he was trying to fly the airplane, too," said David Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance.

Pilot error. The pilot has no business "leaving the cockpit" while he's trying to fly the plane

The correct sequence is (1) land the plane, (2) when the plane has taxied and come to a complete stop, secure the firearm, (3) exit the cockpit

4 posted on 03/28/2008 12:32:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: neverdem

this was suggested by a few on the original thread as the cause


5 posted on 03/28/2008 12:33:34 PM PDT by RDTF (my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
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Here's a picture of the holster / lock system they use. (for real) Photobucket
6 posted on 03/28/2008 12:33:48 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: neverdem
the padlock that is required to be inserted into the holster pulled the trigger and caused the gun to discharge

What the.....? What kind of cockamamied system is that?

7 posted on 03/28/2008 12:33:49 PM PDT by LouAvul
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"It's a completely unsafe system unless it's used in a static environment — in a bedroom with good light. But to try to balance a gun on your lap and padlock it while flying an airplane 300 miles an hour, sometimes in the dark, is not secure," Mr. Mackett said....

I'm glad there's an explanation. I was afraid this was a Barney Fife incident. Still, I'm sure the guy is embarrassed

8 posted on 03/28/2008 12:35:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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Sorry, boys, but it’s definately “pilot error” (brain fart) here. There shouldn’t have been a round chambered in the first place. If there’s a round chambered, nothing goes inside the trigger guard but your trigger finger.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 12:35:20 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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Sounds like pretty extreme negligence on the part of the pilot rather than a problem with faulty rules.

He was in too much of a hurry to take the time to handle his gun in a responsible manner appears to be his excuse.

It sounds like he should lose his ability to carry a gun on a plane for a while and go through some basic gun handling classes where simple safety procedures are drilled into him over and over again.

An this should be his only warning. Next time, fire him.

11 posted on 03/28/2008 12:36:59 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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Rather than carry the weapon on their person at all times, pilots must lock it up before opening the cockpit door, meaning pilots handle the gun as many as 10 times per flight, the association estimates.

So install a lockbox in the cockpit. The gun stays in the lockbox. The lockbox door gets locked when the pilot leaves the cockpit without the pilot touching the gun

I would be very hesitant to have the pilot walk into the passenger cabin with a sidearm, unless he's been extensively trained in weapons retention and disarming techniques, with periodic refresher training

13 posted on 03/28/2008 12:38:13 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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ping


16 posted on 03/28/2008 12:39:35 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Of course whenever there’s an ND, obviously more care should have been exercised. But that said, I’m going to stick up for the pilot in this case. That locking holster is a truly flawed idea. Having to handle the weapon that often and then putting something through across the trigger— when all that has to happen is to get the thing backwards and the weapon can fire in the holster... it is a setup for ND’s.

Bad idea, when a locking box would solve the problem.


22 posted on 03/28/2008 12:48:33 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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Read this blog (second one down) it will explain the thinking of firearms experts on this.

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/


23 posted on 03/28/2008 12:49:26 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: neverdem

Accidential discharge? Sounds like a faulty prostate.


25 posted on 03/28/2008 12:50:31 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: neverdem

didn’t need to read any further than “...accidental discharge...”


32 posted on 03/28/2008 1:00:46 PM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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But to try to balance a gun on your lap and padlock it while flying an airplane 300 miles an hour, sometimes in the dark, is not secure," Mr. Mackett said....

Most airliners have two pilots in the cockpit.

What was the other one doing while all this was going on?

The armed guy couldn't simply say to the other guy, 'Hey, can you take the controls whilst I lock up my pistol?'

Most airliners also have map lights in the cockpit so the pilots can read their maps at night.

45 posted on 03/28/2008 1:46:08 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: neverdem
Hmmm.........

I wonder where all of the brain surgeons on the previous thread who swore that it HAD TO BE GLOCK are right about now?



Ahhh .... the sound of silence!

51 posted on 03/28/2008 2:00:23 PM PDT by Eaker (2 Thessalonians 3:10 “... He that will not work, neither should he eat.”)
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This is what happens when we let dumbasses who’ve never used a gun write gun laws.


53 posted on 03/28/2008 2:06:30 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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How’s about we carry a gun with grip safety or one with a heavy enough double action trigger to keep this from happening.

Some guns with light DA triggers are susceptible to this kind of discharges. Normally, before storage, those guns are pointed in a safe direction and unloaded before storage. Since there is no safe direction on an airplane, a different kind of weapon is in order.

A 1911 is the first gun to come to mind. Next would be pretty much any revolver. The DA pull and the extra safety on a Ruger P-series would be a good choice as well.


55 posted on 03/28/2008 2:13:36 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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"Faulty Rules"?

Nothing faulty about the rule that says 'keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire'.

58 posted on 03/28/2008 2:32:05 PM PDT by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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