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To: sevenbak; tioga; seekthetruth; xzins; MHGinTN; colorcountry; no more apples
No, we don’t privately teach it, we openly teach it. God is the father of all mankind, so yes, you and I are brothers.

So it is out in the open. Mormons believe that God the Father created (or pro-created) a spirit child which is Jesus and he created Jesus in the same manner in which he created all the other spirit beings, including you and me.

You do realize of course that this means that Mormonism is NOT a CHRISTIAN RELIGION, since Christianity has always taught that Christ was not a Created being but was God from all eternity.

But thanks for clearing that up.

BTW would you kindly admit to all the shocked freepers out there that think that Huckabee is a bigot that Mormons really do believe that Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers and were both literal spiritual sons of God the Father.

284 posted on 12/11/2007 10:03:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

If Huckabee were debating what is true religion, his remarks would be appropriate, but he claims to be debating political issues.


289 posted on 12/11/2007 10:16:09 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: P-Marlowe

I believe in the Christian bible, and the verses that I outlined above. I will include them here, for your perusal:
Num. 16: 22 God of the spirits of all flesh.
Deut. 14: 1 Ye are the children of the Lord your God.
Mal. 2: 10 Have we not all one father.
Acts 17: 29 we are the offspring of God.
Rom. 8: 16 Spirit itself beareth witness . . . we are the children of God.
Eph. 4: 6 One God and Father of all.
Heb. 12: 9 ..be in subjection unto the Father of spirits.

These verses are in the Bible, the foundation of Christianity. I would hesitate to call a religion that professes to believe that all are spirit children of God, because of these verses that say EXACTLY that, a non Christian religion. Besides that, this venom is unbecoming a Christian. Did not Jesus tell us to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself, and Judge Not that Ye Be Not Judged.


291 posted on 12/11/2007 10:23:51 PM PST by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: P-Marlowe
No, we don’t believe Jesus was “created”, He was with the Father from the beginning. He is without beginning or end. You might want to check your anti literature more carefully:
Further, you will probably not read this, and I won’t be playing further, but here is it for those interested in the actual doctrine.

First, the reference to Lucifer falling from heaven found in Isaiah 14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This is from the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church, and it is a record of a vision of the heavens.

D&C 76:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/25#25

22 And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only begotten of the Father—
24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.
25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
26 And was called perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.
27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our Cod and his Christ—
29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.
30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;

292 posted on 12/11/2007 10:25:42 PM PST by sevenbak (Wise men still seek Him.)
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