Posted on 08/15/2007 3:16:06 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
Edited on 08/15/2007 3:32:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Yesterday morning I found out that my home, along with more than 157 others in on the chopping block to make way for a major road. Imagine my dismay, when I found that the city in charge of the project has stated that the public comment time is over. I was never notified that there was any contemplation of such a project, and thus had no opportunity to voice my strenuous objection. Just wait, it gets much better...
I live on the border of two communities in Utah, American Fork and Highland. Highland wants a major, 3-5 lane, roadway to handle traffic from new communities. The road being used now is a sparsely populated, 50 mph roadway, which has some commercial development on its 10 mile span. Much of this road is a single lane in each direction, but the road is wide and the cost for expansion would be minimal. You can see it on google maps at http://maps.google.com/maps?q=W+11000+N+Highland,+UT,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title
My home is located on a residential, 25 mph, road. That is heavily traveled by pedestrians and bikers. Houses line the street, and at then West end of 9600 N, is a housing development. The road does not even go through to the freeway at the present time. By my count, from the golf course to the freeway would cause the destruction of approximately 157 homes, plus all the homes east of the golf course.
Now, here is the reason that I am outraged. Highland has chosen this road, expressly because it is on the community boarder. Part of the affected homeowners live in Highland, part in American Fork, and part in Lehi. They have effectively split the opposition, so that they do not have to listen to the chorus of opposition from both sides of the street, and the full length of the current road. Rather than deal with an organized opposition by a unified body, on the obvious choice for development, the cowards chose the most bizarre solution that would keep them from being raked over the coals.
I went to the American Fork Council meeting last night, and was appalled at the hands off, spineless, wimplike attitude of our elected leaders. The Mayor stated that "it is out of our jurisdiction." With my prepared speech in hand, I stormed up and told him that I am a resident of American Fork, and live on this road, and he does have jurisdiction. The meeting did not go well. It looks grim. Oh, and one more thing to make your blood boil, one of the Highland City Council Members lives on 9600 N. She is very much opposed to the plan, but she has been EXCLUDED from all the hearings on the matter. I am asking for your help.
Below is the statement that I read last night at the City Council meeting.
Since this will be a State/city debt you can request payment in gold or silver as stipulated under the U.S. Constitution:
Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1:
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Since the legal tender value of a 1 ozt silver eagle is $1, or a 1 ozt gold eagle is $20 then they have to pay the legal tender value.
Or you can take payment in debt currency that has no defined value and loses it’s purchasing power on a daily basis, your choice.
Sorry to hear about this. Last year the brilliant minds in charge of the small town where I grew up decided to put sewer and water down that half mile stretch of rural route where the old homestead is located and in the process cut down and chipped up my great-grandfather’s walnut trees.
Alas, construction of the new road along a boundary is a common way to divee up expenses for a project from which more than one community will derive benefit. Get a lawyer; I wouldn’t recommend trying to get all your neighbors together to jointly hire counsel. But hey, I’m not in the legal profession.
The state is not "making" the legal tender, they're just using what Congress calls legal tender. Nice try.
Or you can take payment in debt currency that has no defined value and loses it’s purchasing power on a daily basis, your choice.
Because gold didn't fluctuate. Gold bugs are funny!
I was doing some more research on this proposal. The driving force behind this proposal is a semi government group called Mountainland Association of Governments. They have apparently been planning this for some time. They have just finalized a long range plan on my road, scheduled for construction between 2007 and 2015, so it appears that they already have Federal Funding. You can poke around their website at http://www.mountainland.org. And, get this, the Executive Council of MAG is made of Mayors from cities all over Utah county, and Mayors from Summit and Wasatch County. What, pray tell, are all these people, who have absolutely no vested interest, or accountability, deciding what to do with my road, in my town!!! I am mad. This has to be illegal. How can it not be? I didn’t elect these jokers, and they don’t represent me, and they certainly don’t have what’s best for this community in mind.
Oh, yeah, the chairmain of MAG just happens to be the Mayor of Highland city. Apparently, he and his American Fork cohort kept this plan under wraps and did not inform the city councils until this week.
Welcome to the NWO of the Globalists. Their agenda and accompanying corruption now reaches down from the federal level to the state and local levels.
BTTT
“No, don’t use their appraisal, get one of your own.”
And dont forget to add the cost of movers, lost time at work, closing costs on the new house and the new mortgage, related closing expenses, rebate on the unused portion of your real estate tax, time spent looking for a house, your house contract lawyer, your interior decorator on the new house, etc.
I’m not giving up yet. But, I appreciate your advice.
But the State can’t make payment of debts with any THING but gold or silver coin.
If you people started demanding payment for property grabs by States then soon it will stop.
Gold doesn’t fluctuate, the value of a federal reserve note fluctuates in it’s ability to purchase gold. Gold is payment in full. An ounce of gold is an ounce of gold, no more no less, it doesn’t fluctuate.
A federal reserve note is a denomination of debt in garantee of payment at some future time in paper. It’s debasement by flooding the market in more paper, thus inducing inflation is legalized theft by stealing the purchasing power of a workers compensation for their time and labor.
You could try requesting they compensate you with land and a house of equal or greater value in another location.
Since they are requesting you give up your PROPERTY then you should have just compensation. Request payment in kind.
I like your idea. If I don’t win, maybe your plan could be implemented. I think they will have to justify this action, by unelected bureaucrats that don’t even live within 50 miles of me.
Wrong. The state can't make their own currency unless it is gold or silver.
If you people started demanding payment for property grabs by States then soon it will stop.
The state does pay. With good old FRNs.
Gold is payment in full. An ounce of gold is an ounce of gold, no more no less, it doesn’t fluctuate.
Wow!
A federal reserve note is a denomination of debt in garantee of payment at some future time in paper.
Whose debt? Whose guarantee?
That’s a good idea. It worries me, because all the mortgage services have been effectively closed, because of the economic meltdown. I do think these cities are effectively relegating some of us to renterhood.
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Whose debt? Whose guarantee?
Your debt. Your guarantee that you will pay at some future date.
You request a loan from a bank. A bank pushes a few buttons and asks the Federal Reserve Banking system to create the paper debt for you to pay either the contractor or the realtor for the house/property. You then have a debt obilgation to pay this back.
When you don’t pay you get a credit crunch where there is a debt, but nobody willing to pay it. We are seeing that now in the housing market. People walk away from the debt because in reality that debt has no value. Created by the stroke of a pen it can be uncreated by the stroke of a pen.
You may laugh at Gold Bugs, but gold and silver have been MONEY for 5,000 years. They are the most liquid form of payment in the world. They are accepted everywhere as payment. Take a Federal Reserve Note to a rice farmer in Vietnam and a gold coin and see which he would prefer for payment for his product.
I saw both a Byzantine gold coin and a Roman silver coin for sale once. They still held value, and could still purchase the same amount of goods and services today that they could when they were minted. Can you say the same for Confedarate Currency or Sadam Husseins Dinars? Are either of them accepted around the world as a form of payment?
Welcome to the world of long-range planning! Almost every community in the United States is a part of one of these inter-governmental agencies. Here in the Kansas City region, it is MARC (Mid-America Council of Governments.
I was looking at the current Transportation Improvement Plan at the link you provided. Could you tell me what the name of the project is, it would help me figure out where your construction project actually is in the planning process.
Thanks, LSA
I promised to pay back the $20 bill in your pocket? I guaranteed it? That's funny!
You request a loan from a bank. A bank pushes a few buttons and asks the Federal Reserve Banking system to create the paper debt for you You then have a debt obilgation to pay this back.
The bank loans me money that others have deposited in the bank. The Federal Reserve doesn't "create" the money the bank loans me.
You then have a debt obilgation to pay this back.
Yes, the bank loans me money, I have an obligation.
You may laugh at Gold Bugs
Oh, I do.
but gold and silver have been MONEY for 5,000 years. They are the most liquid form of payment in the world. They are accepted everywhere as payment.
Everywhere? When is the last time you went to your neighborhood grocery store and paid with a $10 gold coin? LOL!
Take a Federal Reserve Note to a rice farmer in Vietnam
They'd love to take your FRN.
Check your PM.
Lol! Brilliant!
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