...many civilized urban areas existed at the same time – about 5,000 years ago – in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan.. This is more consistent with my view that the first civilizations are even older and the Indus and Mesopotamian civilizations were spawned by ancient civilizations that sank when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Last Ice Age. Wise Men From The East and all.
1 posted on
08/02/2007 2:55:27 PM PDT by
blam
To: SunkenCiv
2 posted on
08/02/2007 2:56:55 PM PDT by
blam
(Secure the border and enforce the law)
To: blam
I am always convinced that there was a civilization that predated Mesopotamia. It would be in present day India to Indonesia.
5 posted on
08/02/2007 3:03:22 PM PDT by
Ptarmigan
(Bunnies=Sodomites)
To: blam
This is more consistent with my view that the first civilizations are even older and the Indus and Mesopotamian civilizations were spawned by ancient civilizations that sank when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Last Ice Age. Wise Men From The East and all.
Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?
6 posted on
08/02/2007 3:03:23 PM PDT by
mutley
To: blam
7 posted on
08/02/2007 3:05:07 PM PDT by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: blam
Many urban centers crossed arc of Middle Asia 5,000 years ago
Maybe they knew some little places to go to... Where they never closed... Downtown.
To: blam
extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan.I believe that they are talking about pre-Persion Iran.
To: blam
in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan,
Is this another way of saying, what has been used for a very long time as the "fertile crescent"?
19 posted on
08/02/2007 3:35:41 PM PDT by
mutley
To: blam
Thanks, blam. Good stuff.
Rethinking a History That's Carved in Stone
by John Noble Wilford
July 31, 2001
Three months after the announcement of its discovery in Central Asia, a tiny stone object inscribed with symbols thought to be the writing of an obscure desert culture from 4,000 years ago is more of an enigma than ever. If this is indeed an early form of writing, as its discoverer has suggested, it is strong evidence for a previously unknown civilization that began about 2300 B.C. across much of modern Turkmenistan and parts of Uzbekistan and Afghanistan... An even more puzzling aspect of the discovery has been raised by specialists in ancient Chinese writing. They contend that the inscription bears more than a passing resemblance to Chinese writing -- not an early script, but one that was not used until about 200 B.C... There is no clear evidence for Chinese writing before about 1300 or 1200 B.C. -- 1,000 years after people lived at the Anau site in Turkmenistan where the mysterious inscription was unearthed... Another possibility, which would throw the scholarship of Chinese writing into turmoil, is that the 2300 inscription date is correct. That would suggest that influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point.Another ancient civilization found
by Faye Flam
May 3, 2001 [no url]
"It's not ancient Iranian, not ancient Mesopotamian. I even took it to my Chinese colleagues," he said. "It was not Chinese." ...No one knows the extent of this civilization, which may reach beyond Margiana, deep in the Kara Kum desert, and Bactria, which straddles the Uzbek-Afghan border. Hiebert said he believes that a third area, Anau, outside Ashgabat near the Iranian border, is connected to this civilization, perhaps even the origin of the culture. It is about 2,000 years older, going back to 4500 BC, or the Copper Age.Ancient writing found in Turkmenistan
Tuesday, 15 May, 2001, 05:57 GMT 06:57 UK
A previously unknown civilisation was using writing in Central Asia 4,000 years ago, hundreds of years before Chinese writing developed, archaeologists have discovered... The discovery suggests that Central Asia had a civilisation comparable with that of Mesopotamia and ancient Iran as far back as the Bronze Age, University of Pennsylvania archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert told the BBC... It is not known what the people of the civilisation called themselves, so researchers have dubbed the society the Bactria Margiana Archaeology Complex (B-Mac), after the ancient Greek names for the two regions it covers.'Earliest writing' found in China
by Paul Rincon
'Earliest writing' found in China
Signs carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists... They predate the earliest recorded writings from Mesopotamia - in what is now Iraq - by more than 2,000 years. The archaeologists say they bear similarities to written characters used thousands of years later during the Shang dynasty, which lasted from 1700-1100 BC... The archaeologists have identified 11 separate symbols inscribed on the tortoise shells. The shells were found buried with human remains in 24 Neolithic graves unearthed at Jiahu in Henan province, western China. The site has been radiocarbon dated to between 6,600 and 6,200 BC. The research was carried out by Dr Garman Harbottle, of the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York, US, and a team of archaeologists at the University of Science and Technology of China, in Anhui province... Dr Harbottle points to the persistence of sign use at different sites along the Yellow River throughout the Neolithic and up to the Shang period, when a complex writing system appears. He emphasised that he was not suggesting the Neolithic symbols had the same meanings as Shang characters they resembled... The shells come from graves where, in 1999, the researchers unearthed ancient bone flutes. These flutes are the earliest musical instruments known to date.Tartaria tablets
One of the Tartaria tablets The three Tartaria tablets are believed by some to be a very early form of writing, over a thousand years older than the Sumerian and Egyptian writings. They were created around 4500 BC by the so-called Vinca culture and were mamed after Tartaria, Transylvania, Romania, where they were found.
The script combine pictograms with abstract symbols which some experts consider to be comparable in design to the early Sumerian writings, while others consider them to be simply random scribbles. Their meaning (if any) is unknown. If they do comprise a script, it is also not known what kind of writing system they represent.
| These illustrations show (a) the collection of symbols that accompany the Magdalenian cave art in France, from 20,000 years ago or less, and characters in three of the early written languages which resemble the Paleolithic marks: (b) Indus Valley signs, India, (c) Greek (western branch), and (d) Runic (after Forbes and Crowder, 1979) -- From Plato Prehistorian by Mary Settegast. [after Forbes and Crowder, "The Problem of Franco-Cantabrian Abstract Signs: Agenda for a New Approach." World Archaeology 10 (1979): 350-66.] |
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40 posted on
08/03/2007 5:37:17 AM PDT by
SunkenCiv
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Rocking The Cradle (Older Than Mesopotamia, Iran?)
The Smithsonian | 4-25-2004
Posted on 04/25/2004 8:42:18 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124345/posts
New Discoveries In Syria Confirm Theory On Spread Of Early Civilization
Newswise.com | 6-2-2002 | Carrie Golus
Posted on 06/03/2002 4:42:03 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/694010/posts
archaeologist Says Central Asia Was Cradle Of Ancient Persian Religion
AFP/Yahoo | 3-18-2005
Posted on 03/19/2005 11:59:31 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366457/posts
Turkmenistan: Making Bid For Cradle-OfCivilization Bid
Eurasianet | 5-21-2007
Posted on 05/23/2007 7:33:27 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1838727/posts
Why Had Mesopotamians Built Mari (3,000BC)
Middle-East Online | 3-2-2005 | Annick Benoist
Posted on 03/02/2005 2:42:48 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1354542/posts
French archaeologist solves mystery of Mesopotamian city
The Daily Star | Thursday, March 03, 2005 | By Annick Benoist
Posted on 03/05/2005 1:04:47 PM EST by Lessismore
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356688/posts
French Archaeologist Solves Mystery of Ancient Mesopotamian City
Turkish Press | Annick Benoist
Posted on 04/08/2005 6:35:01 PM EDT by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1380111/posts
Archaeologists Unearth a War Zone 5,500 Years Old
NY Times | December 16, 2005 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Posted on 12/16/2005 5:51:40 AM EST by Pharmboy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541590/posts
Ancient Citadel Shows Scars Of Mass Warfare (Mesopotamia - 3500BC)
New Scientist | 12-16-2005 | Will Knight
Posted on 12/16/2005 11:34:38 AM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541781/posts
Artifacts found at ancient city (”This was ‘Shock and Awe’ in the Fourth Millennium BC.”)
Middle East Times | December 17, 2005
Posted on 12/22/2005 12:41:34 AM EST by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1545172/posts
Ruins in Northern Syria Bear the Scars of a City’s Final Battle
New York Times | January 16, 2007 | John Noble Wilford
Posted on 01/16/2007 10:36:52 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1768351/posts
Ancient Weapons Found In Ruins In Syria
Yahoo News | 1-16-2007 | Tara Burghart
Posted on 01/16/2007 6:46:37 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1768602/posts
New Details of First Major Urban Battle Emerge
CCNews | 1/17/07
Posted on 01/17/2007 9:03:09 AM EST by Valin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1768859/posts
Ancient Iranian Site Shows Mesopotamia-Like Civilisation
New Kerala | 11-16-2004
Posted on 11/16/2004 7:45:22 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281568/posts
“Jiroft Inscription”, Oldest Evidence of Written Language
Persian Journal | Jan 12, 2006
Posted on 01/13/2006 10:24:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1557568/posts
New Discoveries in Jiroft May Change History of Civilization
Persian Journal | Jan 26, 2006
Posted on 01/26/2006 2:19:36 PM EST by robowombat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565596/posts
Jiroft Is Lost Link Of Chain Of Civilization: Majidzadeh
Mehr News | 1-12-2007
Posted on 01/13/2007 6:15:01 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1767236/posts
42 posted on
08/07/2007 11:01:30 PM PDT by
SunkenCiv
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43 posted on
09/17/2007 7:57:09 AM PDT by
SunkenCiv
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To: blam
urban centers crossed arc of Middle Asia 5,000 years ago Longer ago that that.
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