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Prostitutes and Politics Why is it still illegal to pay for sex?
Reason Online ^ | May 7, 2007 | Cathy Young

Posted on 05/09/2007 6:51:49 AM PDT by Lusis

The resignation of Randall Tobias, the chief of the Bush administration's foreign aid programs, for "personal reasons" following the revelation that he had engaged the services of two escort-service workers has provided rich grist for amusement on the punditry circuit. There was indeed plenty of material for humor in the situation, from Tobias's strong stand in favor of abstinence teaching in AIDS prevention programs to his "I didn't inhale"-style assertion that he never had sex with the women. But the predictable laughs have obscured a much larger issue than hypocrisy in the ranks of social conservatives. The reason Tobias's call-girl adventures became public is that the owner of the Washington, DC-based service, Pamela Martin, is facing prosecution and has turned her records over to news organizations to help pay for her legal defense.

Even those who feel a certain schadenfreude at Tobias's downfall should be asking the question: should there have been a criminal case in the first place?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: amoral; bowtothepeepee; butgodsaysnoooooo; consentingadults; ilovebiggubmint; inprivate; itsjustsex; lawrencevtexas; libertines; othersdonotpay; prostitution; repentsinnerz; somehavetopay; thepeepeeandstate; thepeepeeasgod
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To: pgyanke
Give me a break. Do I have to call the language police? “Some” (as you put it) of the Founding Fathers being fine with slavery doesn’t make all of the Founding Fathers “ok with it”. It makes them very conflicted on the issue—as they were—as I posted. This is the point I made abundantly clear before your inane post.

The funny part about your post is that your original post was simply you blowing your language police whistle on another poster . . . and now your panties are in a twist because it happened to you. Typical Zoomie dolt behavior . . . . can dish it out, can't take it.

121 posted on 05/09/2007 8:59:25 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: cripplecreek

Well said, I’ve always been amazed that people think legalizing drugs will stop the problems associated with drugs. The gangs just laugh at such ideas, and are ready to sell worse stuff to those in society who don’t benefit from liberalized laws (kids, for example). You can’t put lipstick on a pig and expect anything but a pig.


122 posted on 05/09/2007 9:00:20 AM PDT by Mjaye (Some folks close their mouth only long enough to change feet.)
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To: JamesP81
Neither does this apparent claim in your argument that what rights we have are defined by the government.

Ah, but I did not say that. I said that the government secures rights by curbing other ones. I would define a right as being anything that the government doesn't forbid you to do. In the state of anarchy, there is no government, so you aren't forbidden from doing anything, so you have the right to do anything you wish. With a government in place, you are forbidden to murder people. Hence, your right to life is secured, even if it is not expressly secured by the government. You are forbidden to steal, hence your right to property is secured.

123 posted on 05/09/2007 9:03:19 AM PDT by psychoknk
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To: CharacterCounts
Yes you can. The simple rule is: your rights stop at the other persons nose. In other words the minute the expression of your rights damages or interferes with the rights of another, your rights stop.

I agree with this rule. This is the litmus test I would apply. It does not necessarily have any basis in morality.

By the way, what you said does not contradict anything I said. You have further backing than saying "you just know."

124 posted on 05/09/2007 9:05:29 AM PDT by psychoknk
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To: wideawake
... 99.999% of prostitutes are women in desperate circumstances who are tricked or....

Please tell me you are kidding!

I did 20 years in the C&R biz and have met ladies from every walk of life employed in that profession.

And I don't believe it's God's Plan for any person to be engaged in such a craft.

125 posted on 05/09/2007 9:05:53 AM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: psychoknk
I would define a right as being anything that the government doesn't forbid you to do.

Then your definition would be wrong.
126 posted on 05/09/2007 9:06:33 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: Realism

Fine, is the spread of STDs being curbed? There have been some studies suggesting the spread of STDs by prostitutes being curbed through its legalization.


127 posted on 05/09/2007 9:08:01 AM PDT by psychoknk
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Talk to sentis1 since he brought it up; he might have something to say about it...


128 posted on 05/09/2007 9:08:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Lusis
Q: Prostitutes and Politics Why is it still illegal to pay for sex?

A: Bacause the government hasn't quite figured out a way to tax it...

Mark

129 posted on 05/09/2007 9:08:49 AM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: investigateworld
Please tell me you are kidding!

Of course I'm not.

130 posted on 05/09/2007 9:09:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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Yeah, pretty much because it is immoral. Granted, I’m not going to frown on someone who turns 21 or whatever and goes to Vegas. That’s basically just being a kid, but when that’s your main source of how you get pleasure not only is it pathetic but unhealthy.


131 posted on 05/09/2007 9:10:09 AM PDT by cisco632
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To: OB1kNOb
I thought politicians and prostitutes were one and the same. I’ve been paying the government for years and getting screwed royally for it.

The difference is that prostitutes are far more honest about it that the politicians.

Mark

132 posted on 05/09/2007 9:11:23 AM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Only an illiterate could have a problem with what I have written. Disagree with the subject... fine, let’s debate.

Maybe I am a “Typical Zoomie”—I’m not ashamed of my schooling. You, however, are not a typical Squid. Most can handle common sense and a conversation. You can’t deal with the subject, so you’d rather argue semantics instead.


133 posted on 05/09/2007 9:11:27 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: JamesP81
>I would define a right as being anything that the government doesn't forbid you to do.

Then your definition would be wrong.

Do you have a better definition?

134 posted on 05/09/2007 9:12:19 AM PDT by psychoknk
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To: wideawake
Lay a little background on me please

(And in the spirit charity forgive the atrocious pun)

135 posted on 05/09/2007 9:13:59 AM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: Dr. Thorne
It is illegal to pay for sex because our very existence as a nation relies on the Judeo-Christian values that formed us. Using the letter of the Constitution to legalize destructive, immoral activities is suicide and worthy of the Clintons, Reids and Pelosis of this world. The men who wrote that Constitution would never allow legalized prostitution, but the Libertarians don’t care about that truth or the outcome of such an action, preferring the purity of their philosophy over the death and destruction it surely brings.

Actually, I have no doubt that the founders wouldn't have seen any problem with the States or localities outlawing prostitution. Constitutionally, I can see them simply saying that it's NOT something that the Constitution would have allowed the federal government to outlaw.

Mark

136 posted on 05/09/2007 9:14:54 AM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: investigateworld
What background are you talking about?
137 posted on 05/09/2007 9:15:19 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Bingo. I didn’t think that statement was correct.


138 posted on 05/09/2007 9:17:34 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: RacerF150

During the late 19th Century, women being forced into prostitution was a distinct problem. What “slippery slope” arguments derive from preventing people from being forced into something against their will? If anything, it works against gun control as it works against being able to do things to law abiding citizens, such as disarm them, in support of some greater good (women were often forced into prostitution to pay off legally-acquired debts, debt payment is usually considered a good thing).


139 posted on 05/09/2007 9:17:58 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: wideawake

Just little things like what that statement was based on. Things like employment, training, experience...


140 posted on 05/09/2007 9:19:42 AM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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