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Bad medicine on lethal injection
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 5/1/7 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 05/01/2007 7:51:50 AM PDT by SmithL

DEATH PENALTY opponents will say anything, no matter how unbelievable, to stop an execution during the appeals process. There is no claim too bogus for some lawyers and activists -- and apparently no claim too bogus for some medical journals. Last month, a second medical journal printed an article that suggestesd lethal injection may routinely subject death-row inmates to agonizing pain before they die.

In California, the three-drug lethal-injection protocol starts with 12.5 times the amount of sodium pentothal needed to begin invasive surgery, and is followed by lethal doses of two other drugs. The protocol is designed not to cause uncessary pain, and certain death. And that is what it does.

But wait. The online edition of PLoS Medicine -- a San Francisco-based medical journal -- features a peer-reviewed article, "Lethal Injection for Execution: Chemical Asphyxiation?" It said,

"Our findings suggest that current lethal injection protocols may not reliably effect death through the mechanisms intended, indicating a failure of design and implementation." That is, the wrong drug might have killed some inmates or might not have. The article concluded that lethal injection practices "probably violate" the Eight Amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.

PLoS also ran an editorial that noted that, "Each of the editors of PloS Medicine opposes the death penalty." Also, "no ethical journal" would publish research about painless ways to administer lethal injection. And -- no surprise -- America should end the death penalty.

The PLoS piece follows an article that appeared in the British medical journal, The Lancet, in 2005. That piece cited toxicology blood samples taken from executed inmates, and reported that post-mortem concentrations of the sodium pentothal "were lower than that required for surgery in 43 or 49 executed inmates."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: criminallovers; deathpenalty; lethalinjection
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1 posted on 05/01/2007 7:51:55 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Just hang ‘em high and often.


2 posted on 05/01/2007 7:53:34 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: SmithL

On the other hand, I’ve never seen a lead slug in the brain stem fail.


3 posted on 05/01/2007 7:55:23 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Less messy is breathing pure nitrogen or CO2. Not only does it not add O2 to the blood in the lungs, it pulls O2 out. You then get a long slug of O2-depleted blood headed to the brain; complete unconsciousness in about 2 breaths' time and death very soon after.

There've been any number of stories of men who've died quickly entering such environments, on boats or in (storage) tanks.

4 posted on 05/01/2007 7:59:56 AM PDT by Monk Dimittis
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To: SmithL
...a peer-reviewed article...

Rubber stamp.

5 posted on 05/01/2007 8:02:18 AM PDT by Inquisitive1
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To: sweetiepiezer

Too “painful”. If they want painless execution, I guess they should consider decapitation by guillotine.

But who cares if they suffer pain? Since when is painless death a guarantee of the Eighth Amendment? The criteria is cruel and unusual. Death by injection is neither cruel nor unusual (although there are those who want to make it so). If we were to execute a killer by any means less painful than he or she inflicted upon the victim(s) of the crime, then it would be neither cruel nor unusual since the killer demonstrated he or she was more cruel and the very crime proved it was not unusual. Like nearly every other Constitutional Amendment, the provisions of the Eighth are being wrested all out of logic and proportion to fit someone’s agenda. They want to believe that any inflicted unnatural death is cruel and unusual.

If I recall correctly the reason the Lodi killer got the death penalty in the first place was because his murder was particularly heinous, involving torture and such. That we should prissily worry about him feeling like he can’t breathe a few moments before he dies is an affront to civilization.


6 posted on 05/01/2007 8:04:14 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: SmithL

So....just load them up with heroin. What’s the difference.

I prefer executions consistent to the method of death for the victim. you shoot someone, and let them bleed out, that’s what you get. Slit their throat....ditto.

Why get hung up on all this painless death BS.


7 posted on 05/01/2007 8:04:19 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: SmithL

This kind of lunacy and liberal crap will continue until someone stands up tells these fools to either like it, or get the hell out of California. I cannot believe how these morons are pandered to...


8 posted on 05/01/2007 8:04:24 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SmithL

Did these murderers care what pain their victims felt? NO!!Enough is enough. Let there be pain.... IMHO there should be pain & lots of it.


9 posted on 05/01/2007 8:05:09 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: SmithL
"...features a peer-reviewed article...

Peer-reviewed as in thousands of scientists who believe global warming ismanmade/

Hmmmmmm. Riiiiiight
10 posted on 05/01/2007 8:05:15 AM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: SmithL
The pentothal and the succinyl choline actually don't cause death. They induce anesthesia, after which potassium chloride is injected to stop the heart.

Injection of succinyl choline by itself IS excruciating. I received it once prior to a surgery before the pentothal had taken effect. It felt like every one of my bones was on fire.

11 posted on 05/01/2007 8:05:22 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I don't give a rat's a$$ where in the world Matt Lauer is.)
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To: SmithL
Hanging, in Revolutionary days, was a “normal” method of execution, of criminals and traitors. Simply put, “resurrect” the practice.....
12 posted on 05/01/2007 8:08:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: SmithL

I’m relieved to see this. Not because I have any concern for painful asphyxiation death in convicted murderers (so what?) but because of the several cherished pets over the years that I’ve had euthanized when their time came.


13 posted on 05/01/2007 8:11:48 AM PDT by fullchroma
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To: EagleUSA
San Francisco, hmmmm. These are the same people that support the terrorists.

That give safe harbor to illegal alien terrorists.

Has everyone forgotten what is happening?

Paul Johnson beheaded

Americans beheaded


14 posted on 05/01/2007 8:11:53 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: SmithL
I once had a series of diagnostic tests to determine the cause of a gastrointestinal problem I had.Both procedures involved full anesthesia.The procedures themselves involved,I think,placing a fire hose down my throat and into another part of my body.

During the procedures I didn't feel a thing and after I woke up I didn't remember *a thing*.

So there's at least *one* drug out there that would make an execution completely painless.

15 posted on 05/01/2007 8:13:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Diogenesis

The friends of our Democrat leadership...the ones that we must talk with...the ones that are misunderstood...the ones we must surrender to...


16 posted on 05/01/2007 8:16:48 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: SmithL

No problem just hang them.


17 posted on 05/01/2007 8:20:10 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: SmithL

I guess if you consider having an IV put in excruciating and inhuman, then they have a point. I’ve had 8 surgeries in the last 10 years and thats been the most painful part.

We could just gas them and then inject them if their afraid of the IV.


18 posted on 05/01/2007 8:25:16 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
During the procedures I didn't feel a thing and after I woke up I didn't remember *a thing*.

The claims by anti- death penalty whiners are not only bogus; they insult anyone's intelligence. I have had surgery several times, I not only didn't feel a thing, but I'd wake up and ask them if they did the surgery. Even though the surgery may have taken hours, I had no sense that time had passed at all.

19 posted on 05/01/2007 8:25:41 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: SmithL
I like the idea of agonizing pain before they die...
I especially like the irony of a “more humane” execution method causing it...
But I prefer public humiliation.
Build a gallows in the town square and hang ‘em publicly.
20 posted on 05/01/2007 8:30:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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