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No Big Bang? Endless Universe Made Possible by New Model
Physorg.com ^ | January 30, 2007 | University of North Carolina

Posted on 02/03/2007 7:49:37 AM PST by aculeus

A new cosmological model demonstrates the universe can endlessly expand and contract, providing a rival to Big Bang theories and solving a thorny modern physics problem, according to University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill physicists.

The cyclic model proposed by Dr. Paul Frampton, Louis J. Rubin Jr. distinguished professor of physics in UNC's College of Arts & Sciences, and co-author Lauris Baum, a UNC graduate student in physics, has four key parts: expansion, turnaround, contraction and bounce.

During expansion, dark energy -- the unknown force causing the universe to expand at an accelerating rate -- pushes and pushes until all matter fragments into patches so far apart that nothing can bridge the gaps. Everything from black holes to atoms disintegrates. This point, just a fraction of a second before the end of time, is the turnaround.

At the turnaround, each fragmented patch collapses and contracts individually instead of pulling back together in a reversal of the Big Bang. The patches become an infinite number of independent universes that contract and then bounce outward again, reinflating in a manner similar to the Big Bang. One patch becomes our universe.

"This cycle happens an infinite number of times, thus eliminating any start or end of time," Frampton said. "There is no Big Bang."

An article describing the model is available on the arXiv.org e-print archive and will appear in an upcoming issue of Physical Review Letters.

Cosmologists first offered an oscillating universe model, with no beginning or end, as a Big Bang alternative in the 1930s. The idea was abandoned because the oscillations could not be reconciled with the rules of physics, including the second law of thermodynamics, Frampton said.

The second law says entropy (a measure of disorder) can't be destroyed. But if entropy increases from one oscillation to the next, the universe becomes larger with each cycle. "The universe would grow like a runaway snowball," Frampton said. Each oscillation will also become successively longer. "Extrapolating backwards in time, this implies that the oscillations before our present one were shorter and shorter. This leads inevitably to a Big Bang," he said.

Frampton and Baum circumvent the Big Bang by postulating that, at the turnaround, any remaining entropy is in patches too remote for interaction. Having each "causal patch" become a separate universe allows each universe to contract essentially empty of matter and entropy. "The presence of any matter creates insuperable difficulties with contraction," Frampton said. "The idea of coming back empty is the most important ingredient of this new cyclic model."

This concept jolted Frampton when it popped into his head last October.

"I suddenly saw there was a new way of solving this seemingly impossible problem," he said. "I was sitting with my feet on my desk, half-asleep and puzzled, and I almost fell out of my chair when I realized there was a much, much simpler possibility."

Also key to Frampton and Baum's model is an assumption about dark energy's equation of state -- the mathematical description of its pressure and density. Frampton and Baum assume dark energy's equation of state is always less than -1. This distinguishes their work from a similar cyclic model proposed in 2002 by physicists Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok, who assumed the equation of state is never less than -1.

A negative equation of state gives Frampton and Baum a way to stop the universe from blowing itself apart irreversibly, an end physicists call the "Big Rip." The pair found that in their model, the density of dark energy becomes equal to the density of the universe and expansion stops just before the Big Rip.

New satellites currently under construction, such as the European Space Agency's Planck satellite, could gather enough information to determine dark energy's equation of state, Frampton said.

A copy of the paper may be downloaded at http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610213

Source: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


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KEYWORDS: sciencealwayswrong; stringtheory
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To: nmh
No, name calling just proves my point. Can't address the subject of the thread so you resort to mindless name calling. That's what amuses me about "big bang" people, oh no, animals, that's it ... since according to "big bang" people we evolved from animals. LOL!

And this conflicts with the existance of God... how?

Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch, writing in the 1880s, didn't agree with Darwin, but wrote:

Even if this notion were ever to gain complete acceptance by the scientific world, Jewish thought, unlike the reasoning of the high priest of that notion, would nonetheless never summon us to revere a still extant representative of this primal form as the supposed ancestor of us all. Rather, Judaism in that case would call upon its adherents to give even greater reverence than ever before to the one, sole God Who, in His boundless creative wisdom and eternal omnipotence, needed to bring into existence no more than one single, amorphous nucleus and one single law of "adaptation and heredity" in order to bring forth, from what seemed chaos but was in fact a very definite order, the infinite variety of species we know today, each with its unique characteristics that sets it apart from all other creatures.

How about that, laughing boy?

102 posted on 02/03/2007 12:15:08 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: aculeus

Rumors are rampant throughout the liberal media circles that when William Jefferson Clinton heard that the 'big bang' doesn't really exist, he was deeply saddened...


103 posted on 02/03/2007 12:22:25 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: RightWhale
Your posts have been amusing and thought provoking as usual :)

By the way I am halfway through Penroses Road to Reality. I don't have the background for some of the math, but he seems good at explaining the salient points.
104 posted on 02/03/2007 12:22:50 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: RightWhale

Well, it's my lunchtime. I dine alone. I can do it anytime I choose to do so.


105 posted on 02/03/2007 12:23:18 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: LeGrande

I am about 40% through the book. Learning a lot even if Penrose is about ten grade levels above me.


106 posted on 02/03/2007 12:24:08 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: MHGinTN

That should just about get done what needs doing. :)


107 posted on 02/03/2007 12:25:54 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: capitalist229
Eating from the "tree of knowledge" is expressly forbidden and will get you thrown out of Paradise.

I guess it depends on what knowledge is forbidden. In my mind, cloning and "creating" hybrid life forms by DNA mixing would most likely fall into the forbidden category. But I don't believe astronomy and the study of the universe is forbidden.

108 posted on 02/03/2007 12:29:56 PM PST by SteamShovel
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To: SteamShovel

Unfortunately the Fall happened; fortunately we were given some moral power so we can choose what is probably okay and what ought not be done. Human cloning ought not be done. There's a lot of things we can do that we ought not. A couple of ancient poets, Coleridge and Wordsworth, commented on some even more ancient philosophers mentioning that wisdom is mainly choosing to not do.


109 posted on 02/03/2007 12:36:20 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: SteamShovel; RightWhale

Cloning, etc. is not forbidden, just cloning of humans. Anything that dehumanizes the alive, from newest expression (as in conception) to old age, is wrong for the human race. The rest of creation was given for us to have dominion over. Cloning and stem cell exploitation of other species is a great way to help the human race remain alive and superior. Cloning and exploitation of human embryonic beings for their body parts is a good way to destroy our position and trash our species. Such exploitation and dehumanization isn't necessary in the long run. We're smarter than that, hopefully.


110 posted on 02/03/2007 12:41:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
So by 'nothingness' in my original post, understand me to be referring to whatever physicists would consider to be nothingness.

Right. :-}

111 posted on 02/03/2007 12:43:16 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: aculeus

Ah!...The oscillating universe theory makes its appearance...once again.


112 posted on 02/03/2007 12:44:18 PM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: kanawa
The oscillating universe theory makes its appearance...once again

The theory itself is cyclic, and was apparently the first cosmology, or the first on record.

113 posted on 02/03/2007 12:47:56 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: RightWhale
On page 205, Penrose illustrates a spinoral object. I find myself repeating the illustration every time I have a belt or a ribbon in my hand. It is like a light bulb went off, similar to when someone pointed out that the earths orbit is a sine wave.
114 posted on 02/03/2007 12:48:31 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: nmh

If you are incapable of grasping the distinction between a scientific theory about matter and a theological argument then there is no point in arguing with you.


115 posted on 02/03/2007 12:48:33 PM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: MHGinTN

The problem for us is that if we start human cloning we will pretty soon not be us anymore. So, human cloning cannot possibly do us any good and is not a moral choice.


116 posted on 02/03/2007 12:50:35 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: LeGrande

That was an interesting explanation, and I will try it one of these days. I have cut a Moebius strip lengthwise and then again. That passes for experimental physics in my house.


117 posted on 02/03/2007 12:54:28 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: SunkenCiv

I would like to be on the String Theory ping list, please.


118 posted on 02/03/2007 12:55:32 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: RightWhale

LOL!


119 posted on 02/03/2007 12:58:16 PM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: Coyoteman
In summary:

Theory: A scientifically testable, well-substantiated general principle...

Model: a simplified... hypothetical description

120 posted on 02/03/2007 12:58:35 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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