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Congress slams Smithsonian's anti-religious attacks
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | December 16, 2006 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/16/2006 12:22:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A new report from the U.S. House of Representatives has condemned officials at the Smithsonian Institution for imposing a religious test on scientists who work there. And it suggests their attacks on a scientist who just edited an article on intelligent design are just the tip of the iceberg of an industry-wide fear of anything that suggests man might not have come from a puddle of sludge.


Dr. Richard Sternberg

The report, which cited a "strong religious and political component" in the dispute, was prompted by a complaint from Dr. Richard Sternberg, who holds biology doctorates from Binghamton and Florida International universities and has served as a research associate at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History.

It was prepared for U.S. Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., chairman of the subcommittee of criminal justice, drug policy and human resources, and easily confirmed Sternberg's harassment and discrimination allegations that his managers criticized him, created a hostile work environment for him, and now have demoted him because of the article, which he didn't even write.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ac; censorship; evolution; id; liberalcensorship; moralabsolutes; persecution; protectingtheracket; religion; science; smithsonian; taxdollarsatwork; theoryasfact; theoryofelevolution; thoughtcrime; youpayforthis
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To: RunningWolf
If you are going to make that accusation you need to back it up

The web page you copied and added your own selective quote marks to speaks for itself. Isn't Google wonderful?

121 posted on 12/16/2006 8:02:04 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: editor-surveyor
Well, the Smithsonian is about science. This guy is about his religion as is his right. Unfortunately, regardless of the amount of letters behind the guy's name, he is perpetuating the fairy tale of creationism which is counter to the Smithsonian's mission of advancing verifiably true science. If he wants to write about creationism, he needs to go find somewhere else to do it. He fails to understand that he represents the Smithsonian regardless of the day or night and when he writes (or edits or whatever) about creationism, it undermines the credibility of the mission of the Smithsonian.

And this is not a case of bigotry, plain and simple.

122 posted on 12/16/2006 8:05:40 PM PST by DaGman
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To: csense

Yes, genetics was my specialty.

Most of us in biology understand both genetics and evolution and have no basic problem with the theoretical underpinnings of either.


123 posted on 12/16/2006 8:06:24 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: csense
Well, are you, or are you not, a genetic scientist?

Is this guy?

The University of Oxford ‘geneticist’ and campaigning atheist Richard Dawkins …
http://education.guardian.co.u...

Famed ‘geneticist’ Richard Dawkins, author of such seminal books as "The Selfish Gene" and "The Blind Watchmaker,"
http://science.meetup.com/32/c...

The thinkers he sets out to oppose are some of the most formidable writers and theorists of our time, including the ‘geneticist’ Richard Dawkins and the …
http://www.prospect.org/print/...

Oxford ‘geneticist’ Richard Dawkins establishes foundation to prevent "pseudo science" taking over in schools.
http://education.guardian.co.u...

By analogy of the term genes, the English zoologist-‘geneticist’ Richard Dawkins creates the term memes as “unit for cultural transmitting”,
http://www.blesok.com.mk/tekst...

‘Geneticist’ Richard Dawkins invented the word MEME for the unit of cultural transmission, analogous to the the term GENE for the unit of biological …
http://www3.sympatico.ca/cyphe...


124 posted on 12/16/2006 8:06:55 PM PST by Heartlander (Numero pondere et mensura Deus omnia condidit)
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To: shuckmaster
Google is good. The biographer nor I am lying. The biographer says that it is from Mary Leaky's autobiographry. If its not from Mary Leakys writings, then lets see it.

In her autobiography, Mary explains that through her whole career she was "impelled by curiosity." She writes that other archaeologists should try to satisfy their curiosities by hunting for more concrete evidence, rather than spending all their time formulating crazy hypotheses based on a few random scraps of bone. In her words, "Small pieces of the record have been preserved and can sometimes be found, but it cannot be stressed too strongly that they are indeed small parts and what we uncover may give us a biased view of the picture as a whole."

125 posted on 12/16/2006 8:12:53 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: shuckmaster
Post number 608 and 624 do not even remotely support the allegation that "scientists who understand evolution are not welcome here."

It's understandable that there are emotional tensions involved, given recent history, but I want that allegation supported, or retracted.

For someone who supposedly prides himself on ehtical behavior, I'm not terribly impressed with your response.

126 posted on 12/16/2006 8:15:33 PM PST by csense
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To: csense

Well, if our homepages risk random deletion, we are called Marxists etc that is not the epitome of welcome.

Read the thread. I gave you the link.


127 posted on 12/16/2006 8:23:13 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Coyoteman

I'll try to be even-handed here as possible. The smithsonian scientists are evolution in action, dinosaurs soon to be fossilized : as gas in your car. Noah was a pakistani farmer who got washed out to sea during a hurricane on his 3 layer log raft. A cubit = 18", 15 cubits = a 22' deep storm surge. His descendents, sitting around a campfire in the plains of shinar, jazzed up this old family story into a myth. One of THEIR descendents was a young boy named ABRAM. As to our lord Jesus' crucifiction, it was GOD the father's final lesson : self-sacrifice = creation. You see, GOD was crucified in much the same way by the "24 elders" before the BIG BANG = creation of the universe. Where many become confused is that science is the x vector, religion is the y vector, in the graph of life. Why not see it as the wave-particle duality of energy or the quantity-quality duality of math?


128 posted on 12/16/2006 8:26:48 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: ndt
Finding an answer to Darwin’s Dilemma
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751494/posts

New findings reported today shed light on why, after three billion years of mostly single-celled evolution, these large animals suddenly appeared in the fossil record.

This thread doesn't indicate that scientists believed more that single celled evolution occurred before the Cambrian explosion but that no evidence for it was found. It is clear that they believe the evolution occurred during that time AFTER the earth thawed out, within a few million years.

So tell me, from you perspective, why did God make such a great diversity of animals appear 540 million years ago and modern humans only in the last 100k or so?

"Lack of evidence of diversity is not proof of a lack of diversity." Nor is lack of fossils proof of non-existance; it's just lack of fossils. It's just what the fossil record currently shows. It doesn't mean it's an accurate representation of what actually happened.

129 posted on 12/16/2006 8:34:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

OK, maybe we need to start over.

I thought you were asking me to defend "darwins dilema" of how to explain the Cambrian explosion, but you almost seem to be trying to defend it yourself.


130 posted on 12/16/2006 8:38:17 PM PST by ndt
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To: DaGman; editor-surveyor
If he wants to write about creationism, he needs to go find somewhere else to do it. He fails to understand that he represents the Smithsonian regardless of the day or night and when he writes (or edits or whatever) about creationism, it undermines the credibility of the mission of the Smithsonian.

And it suggests their attacks on a scientist who just edited an article on intelligent design ...

It was prepared for U.S. Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., chairman of the subcommittee of criminal justice, drug policy and human resources, and easily confirmed Sternberg's harassment and discrimination allegations that his managers criticized him, created a hostile work environment for him, and now have demoted him because of the article, which he didn't even write.

He didn't write it, he edited it. And since when is editing something a *bad* reflection on someone or some organization? Editing is just that-editing; it's not him being about his religion. How is editing a paper a religious activity? Talk about thought police.

If the Smithsonian hadn't made an issue of it, it wouldn't be a bad reflection on them because hardly anybody would have ever known about it. Instead they make a big issue over it, now it's out there, and it makes THEM look bad.

Plus he wasn't writing about creationism. You really need to read this article (again).

131 posted on 12/16/2006 8:48:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DaGman; editor-surveyor
He fails to understand that he represents the Smithsonian regardless of the day or night and when he writes (or edits or whatever) about creationism, it undermines the credibility of the mission of the Smithsonian.

So employers get to dictate to an employee what he can do in his private life? I know a lot of companies that would be glad to hear that. I guess someone failed to tell him that he sold his soul when accepted a job at the Smithsonian.

132 posted on 12/16/2006 8:52:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: From many - one.
Well, if our homepages risk random deletion...

Are you saying that Patrick Henry is a scientist, and further, are you saying that this is not an isolated incident.

we are called Marxists etc that is not the epitome of welcome.

People are called all kinds of things on this forum. It goes with the territory. If you're saying that you're being called a Marxist simply because, as a scientist, you understand evolution, then I'd like a cite for that also.

Read the thread. I gave you the link.

It doesn't work that way. You made the allegation, you support it...or you need to retract it. It's that simple.

133 posted on 12/16/2006 8:53:22 PM PST by csense
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To: metmom
"He didn't write it, he edited it."

Actually he didn't. He was the editor in the sense that he had editorial control of the magazine and was the one who chose to include the article. I've never seen it claimed that he edited the article itself.

And it was not just that he published it, he published it with unilaterally and against the practises and standaerds of the Biological Society of Washington that produce the journal Proceedings.

Heres their statement (emphasis mine).

The paper by Stephen C. Meyer, "The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories," in vol. 117, no. 2, pp. 213-239 of the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, was published at the discretion of the former editor, Richard v. Sternberg. Contrary to typical editorial practices, the paper was published without review by any associate editor; Sternberg handled the entire review process. The Council, which includes officers, elected councilors, and past presidents, and the associate editors would have deemed the paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings because the subject matter represents such a significant departure from the nearly purely systematic content for which this journal has been known throughout its 122-year history. For the same reason, the journal will not publish a rebuttal to the thesis of the paper, the superiority of intelligent design (ID) over evolution as an explanation of the emergence of Cambrian body-plan diversity. The Council endorses a resolution on ID published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science (http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2002/1106id2.shtml), which observes that there is no credible scientific evidence supporting ID as a testable hypothesis to explain the origin of organic diversity. Accordingly, the Meyer paper does not meet the scientific standards of the Proceedings.

We have reviewed and revised editorial policies to ensure that the goals of the Society, as reflected in its journal, are clearly understood by all. Through a web presence (http://www.biolsocwash.org) and improvements in the journal, the Society hopes not only to continue but to increase its service to the world community of systematic biologists.

134 posted on 12/16/2006 9:03:55 PM PST by ndt
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To: metmom
FRevos who have no scientific background or training are *qualified* to speak about evolution and all the shortcomings of ID/creation, even when their areas of study aren't specifically in the field of evolution or even science. Scientists who have PhD's in scientific fields and are much more highly educated than any handful of frevos randomly picked out and put together, are NOT qualified to speak on evolution if their PhD's are not specifically in the field of evolution itself.

Half of my training in grad school, and for my Ph.D. exams, included specialties in human osteology and fossil man. That's six years of study at the grad level, resulting in a Ph.D., in this field.

That enough for you?

And your training in this field is...? What?

Your background, which lets you tell working professionals much more advanced than I am how to do their jobs, is what?

Or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and read Answers in Guinness in your spare time?

You laid bare the challenge, now lets see your answer.

135 posted on 12/16/2006 9:13:54 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: metmom
Dr. Sternberg is an evolutionary biologist who holds 2 PhD's in biology, one in molecular evolution and the other in theoretical biology. He has authored more than 30 referred scientific publications.. more
136 posted on 12/16/2006 9:17:57 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Coyoteman

Her training?

One of many that think that the bible is a textbook.


137 posted on 12/16/2006 9:19:37 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


138 posted on 12/16/2006 9:54:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Her training?
One of many that think that the bible is a textbook.

And obviously you're training is in clairvoyance. Why don't you at least let her answer Coyoteman's post before you disparage her. But tha's the name of the game though, isn't it...disparagement. Ironically, both you and Coyoteman have penned the QED to her point, which completely went over your heads.

No surprise there though....

139 posted on 12/16/2006 10:32:32 PM PST by csense
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To: csense

That's cute.

Me: Read the thread. I gave you the link.

You: It doesn't work that way. You made the allegation, you support it...or you need to retract it. It's that simple.

Perhaps I should read it for you? Since I post on the crevo threads mainly for the lukrers, thank you for making a point for me.


140 posted on 12/17/2006 4:38:58 AM PST by From many - one.
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