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Rudy for president?
Townhall.com ^ | 7/8/06 | Robert Novak

Posted on 07/08/2006 8:12:30 AM PDT by mathprof

Well-connected public figures report that they have been told recently by Rudolph Giuliani that, as of now, he intends to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The former mayor of New York was on top of last month's national Gallup poll measuring presidential preferences by registered Republicans, with 29 percent. Sen. John McCain's 24 percent was second, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich third at 8 percent. National polls all year have shown Giuliani running either first or second to McCain, with the rest of the presidential possibilities far behind.

Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; demslovehim; electionpresident; friendofharding; friendofkerick; giuliani; giuliani2008; giuliani4dogcatcher; novak; rino
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To: NapkinUser
Really? I think it'd be the ones pushing a liberal to be the republicans' nominee for president in 2008.

If that's the criteria, the liberals have already won. The Republicans' nominee in 2000 and 2004 was a liberal who's spent more than Lyndon B. Johnson.
201 posted on 07/08/2006 10:01:32 AM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; colonel mosby
Just a suggestion - can you two take your discussion offline? No one else seems to be interested in the hijack.

Please?

202 posted on 07/08/2006 10:01:33 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: Sabramerican
I don't want to repeat myself in every thread but I believe with his background Giuliani will pick Roberts and Alito clones.

And I doubt he will. If I had my 'druthers, I'd go with someone I knew was going to appoint conservative judges. But I agree, it can be a crapshoot.

By the way, the daily issues that confront a President are equally important as to whom that President will nominate for court appointments- and not just the Supreme Court. To say otherwise is to miss the big picture. These appoints and the decisions made by these judges affect us all for decades.

203 posted on 07/08/2006 10:02:14 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Alberta's Child

Kerik provided leadership for the city of NY during a terrible crisis . . .

"Can you cite a specific example of this?"

Just one? Ok, since being a Canadian excuses you for asking such a question.

Now, Can you explain why you posted an image in your profile of a soldier pointing his weapon at a possibly booby trapped body on the floor? Why didn't you post an image of Mr. Berg's head?


On 9-11 , These were just some of the people who held this nation together.

2002 DAR Medal of Honor Recipients

Though we cannot personally express our gratitude to each of the thousands that performed selfless, heroic acts following the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, it was our privilege to honor six of the leaders of the rescue operation in New York and the Pentagon for their extraordinary leadership and courage which reassured our entire nation.

RUDOLPH W. GIULIANI

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani was honored for his extraordinary leadership following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Mayor Giuliani became the tireless, unwavering voice of comfort and resolve to the eight million citizens of New York, and indeed, the nation. Former Mayor Giuliani said, “Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather doing what has to be done in spite of the fear.”

New York Governor George Pataki wrote in his letter of recommendation, “In the wake of the unspeakable events of September 11, Mayor Giuliani, Commissioner Kerik and Commissioner Von Essen have provided extraordinary leadership and calm under the most incredibly difficult of circumstances. Members of my Administration and I have worked closely with them in the weeks since, and we have all been deeply impressed by the dedication, commitment and strength they have demonstrated during these most trying of times. Their remarkable example and courage have inspired our nation and people throughout the world.”

BERNARD B. KERIK

Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik was honored for his extraordinary leadership following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Commissioner Kerik relied on his anti-terrorism training to set up a command post, with Mayor Giuliani and Fire Department Commissioner Von Essen, to begin the massive rescue operation.

In the hours after the attack, Commissioner Kerik reflected: “I felt waves of sadness roll over me, followed immediately by anger – rage toward the people who had done this, the religious zealots who somehow believed that killing innocent American civilians would further their goals. I hoped our country would see this as a military attack on our people, and that we would respond with the full force of the U. S. military to make sure that our people were avenged, and that this would never happen again.”

THOMAS VON ESSEN

Former Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen was honored for his extraordinary leadership following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Commissioner Von Essen was at the World Trade Center within minutes of the first attack, directing hundreds of firefighters in their rescue of thousands of victims. He reflected a few weeks later: “Sacrifice, commitment and dedication are the hallmarks of a New York City firefighter. On the darkest day our city – and our nation – has ever known, this sacrifice and commitment was more than evident as we mobilized in the face of terrorism and became the nation’s first line of defense for thousands of innocent victims.”

Commissioner Von Essen led the Fire Department in coping with the overwhelming loss of 343 firefighters on September 11. He has helped raise funds for the families and raised public awareness of firefighters' service to their city. “We are shaken, but we are not defeated,” he stated. “We stare adversity in the eye, and we move on.”

“Those who escaped the horror and its aftermath will always remember that while they were going down, the firefighters were going up. But they did not die in vain. More than 25,000 people were safely evacuated from the twin towers – the greatest lifesaving effort ever undertaken in this nation. We will never forget them.”

Rudolph Giuliani, Bernard B. Kerik, and Thomas Von Essen were sponsored by Peter Minuit DAR Chapter of New York City, Molly Ker, Regent.

JOHN J. JESTER, JR.

John J. Jester, Jr. was honored for his extraordinary leadership following the September 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon. Mr. Jester led the Pentagon’s security efforts in response to the September 11th terrorist attack. Paul K. Hazelbush, head of the Real Estate and Facilities Directorate, praised the Pentagon’s Protective Service Officers stating, “Defense Protective Service officers put their lives in jeopardy to provide emergency instruction and security, and simultaneously, rescue people.”

Mr. Jester was sponsored by the Thomas Lee DAR Chapter of Virginia; Chapter Regent F. Maureen Thompson.

JOHN F. IRBY

John F. Irby was honored for his extraordinary leadership following the September 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon. Mr. Irby played a vital role in preparing and training for a catastrophic event. As a result, the Pentagon’s “first responders” were well equipped and highly motivated on September 11, 2001. Mr. Irby’s preparation not only saved many lives, but also permitted the Defense Department to continue to operate for the sake of our nation’s defense.

Thomas C. Tucker, Director, Management Support, wrote in his letter of recommendation, “The rapid recovery of the Pentagon’s infrastructure was not just the result of heroic efforts at the site of the attack – although there were many – it was the result of years of planning for just such an event by John Irby. The team he prepared put their lives in jeopardy to rescue people and turn off (or on) electrical, water, and ventilation systems. His leadership was pivotal in assessing damage and monitoring potentially hazardous substances. Shortly after the disaster, he was the Department of Defense spokesperson for a nationally televised event in the Pentagon Briefing Room. His grasp of the facts and lucid explanations of corrective actions being taken inspired confidence that the defense establishment was still able to play its role in defending the Nation.”

D. O. Cooke, Director of Administration Management in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, stated “…that the defense employees were ordinary Americans who did extraordinary things that day. They laid their lives on the line for others. They clearly showed their courage. They went back into the building. Some stood knee-deep in water, turning off electrical circuits at the risk of electrocution. They moved into this environment with falling debris. They held back fires with fire extinguishers while other people got out.”

The Anna Maria Fitzhugh DAR Chapter of Virginia and Crystal D. Sims, Chapter Regent, sponsored Mr. Irby.

SFC FRED WILLIAM BROWN, JR.

Sergeant First Class Fred William Brown, Jr. was honored for his extraordinary leadership following the September 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon. As Light Rescue Platoon Sergeant, Mr. Brown was instrumental in creating training doctrine and training scenarios that were both challenging and realistic. As a result of his efforts, the platoon was trained and ready when the Pentagon was attacked on September 11th.

Mr. Brown served as Platoon Sergeant of a 28-man Technical Rescue Platoon involved in Operation Noble Eagle, where he led the first rescue teams into the Pentagon. The Military District of Washington’s Engineer Company is the Army’s only collapsed building rescue company. Members of the unit reported to the scene at the Pentagon immediately following the terrorist attack, and spent many long hours and days sifting through the debris to locate and recover victims.

The Ketoctin DAR Chapter of Virginia and Chapter Regent, Terri A. Coleman, sponsored Mr. Brown.


204 posted on 07/08/2006 10:02:44 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Sabramerican

Didn't Rudy make NYC a safe haven for illegal immigrants?


205 posted on 07/08/2006 10:02:48 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: mathprof

Allen / Giuliani Mark my words.


206 posted on 07/08/2006 10:02:56 AM PDT by bigjoesaddle ("Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: MNJohnnie

For a concise study of Abraham Lincoln's many tax impositions, I recommend:

Blueprint For Modern America: Non-Military Legislation of the First Civil War, by Leonard P. Curry, Vanderbilt University Press, 1968.


207 posted on 07/08/2006 10:03:08 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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To: mathprof

That's what has me worried. Who can we support who won't give us more liberal Supremes? The only person I have reason to believe will give us more John Robertes is Newt, but I'm hearing he can't be elected. We can't afford another liberal Supreme.


208 posted on 07/08/2006 10:03:33 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: BeforeISleep; NapkinUser
There are now and have always been many people on FR who feel that if you don't agree with them (in their infinite wisdom) 100% of the time you are a "troll-RINO".

As for myself I would vote for anybody now being spoken of for the Republican nomination (except Tancredo) if their opponent was Hillary.
209 posted on 07/08/2006 10:03:47 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: digger48
digger 48 wrote:
Not too hard to pick Rudy over a known Marxist and a absolute nutjob.
He'll play hell getting the Nomination, though.

The "conventional, conservative wisdom" right now seems to be that Rudy is going to have a very difficult time in the primaries, especially in the southern states. But I predict that Rudy is gonna turn things upside down in the pre-primary DEBATES. This is where he can really shine.

Of course, the other candidates will attack Rudy, most notably on his prior positions on abortion and gun control (though at this point it's not entirely clear as to how he will define himself on those issues as a presidential contender). And I'll bet Rudy not only deflects their jabs with ease, but lands some punches of his own.

Rudy in 2008 is going to be like the New York Mets in 1969. They absolutely couldn't win, right?

- John

210 posted on 07/08/2006 10:04:21 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: marajade
I didn't. But you've been sitting here touting the guy who appointed him (despite Kerik's sordid reputation that preceded his appointment to the office of the NYPD commissioner) as the ideal GOP candidate for the White House in 2008.
211 posted on 07/08/2006 10:04:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: NapkinUser
I do see a heck of a lot of Giuliani-pimping however.

As a political junkie, I find all this fascinating. We are in a unique situation when the sitting Vice President is a non starter. That is where Republican have recently found most nominees.

Some years ago, I saw some promise in Fred Thompson (R Tenn). But, he came to his senses and got the hell out of Washington.

212 posted on 07/08/2006 10:05:48 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the Right thing. Be a monthly donor. Pretty please.)
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To: NapkinUser
McCain is pro-life and Giuliani is pro-abortion.,P> McCain's been playing footsie with the pro Abortion Liberal Rino group. I would not count on him as a Pro Life candidate. He pretty much thrown away all his other principals, why not this one.
213 posted on 07/08/2006 10:05:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Alberta's Child

Or number 3: They pretend the POTUS election is FEAR FACTOR and parade aroudn Hillary, Dean, Etc..

(As if their 'liberal' PROGRESSIVE candidate were the ONLY one capable of beating HER)..

That is saying that 'ONLY' a liberal can beat a MEGA-liberal..

I SAY "balooney"!!

More than having a liberal GOPer beat a another liberal, we NEED a true Conservative; and not in the vain of (mind you I say this with all respect to our PRESIDENT, but NOT his politics), not, not in the vain of GWB! What we need, what we really need is another CONSERVATIVE ala Reagan, but since He departed us and left us since, We need his successor; I only see a few Candiates that would fill this bill #1 is Mike Pence, 2 Gingrich (though his personal problems might disqualify him) and 3) any lesser known grass-roots conservative: My point is that there are not many willing to Stand up and cry out for fiscal restraint-Godly morality, and Liberatarian policies like Mike Pence is..

I am not trying to blabber all over the place, but there are not many True-Real-Conservative Reagaites that are willing to stand for TRUTH in today's environment: Name one: Other..?


214 posted on 07/08/2006 10:06:35 AM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com)
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To: JCEccles

Giuliani had the same policy as every big city Mayor. The only reasonable policy.

Illegals were not asked their status nor was their status acted upon when they sought city services.

Imagine the opposite.

There are illegals. Because of a failure of the Federal government.

If they are afraid to go for medical care, you risk epidemics.

If they are afraid to go to the Police, you risk anarchy.


215 posted on 07/08/2006 10:07:06 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: Oldhunk
I believe the scenario you've described could definitely unfold, but consider this . . . if the GOP nominates Rudy Giuliani in 2008, I could easily envision a bizarre scenario in which a Democrat like Bayh or Warner wins a historic landslide by waging a very credible campaign as the most conservative candidate.
216 posted on 07/08/2006 10:07:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: don-o
Just a suggestion - can you two take your discussion offline?

Take your suggestion and... well, you know...

217 posted on 07/08/2006 10:07:13 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Lancey Howard

In the end, the best possible scenario is to have conservatives in office who will appoint conservative judges. Accomplishing that may be difficult, but not impossible.


218 posted on 07/08/2006 10:07:14 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: don-o

Gladly, don-o, I'm done.


219 posted on 07/08/2006 10:07:16 AM PDT by colonel mosby
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To: Artemis Webb
if their opponent was Hillary.

exactly...
220 posted on 07/08/2006 10:07:41 AM PDT by firewalk
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