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Doctors push mandatory health insurance
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 6/14/2006 | Jim Ritter

Posted on 06/14/2006 7:57:57 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Millions of upper-income Americans refuse to buy health insurance because they're young and healthy and figure they don't need it.

But now the American Medical Association wants to force them to buy coverage.

At its annual meeting in Chicago on Tuesday, the nation's largest doctors' group called for mandatory health insurance for anyone who makes more than five times the poverty level. That works out to $49,000 for an individual and $100,000 for a family of four.

No one would go to jail for refusing to buy coverage. The AMA instead suggested using the tax code to force compliance. There would be incentives such as tax credits for people who buy insurance and higher taxes for those who don't.

Of the 46 million uninsured Americans, about 5 million, or 11 percent, make more than five times the poverty level. The AMA said these people burden the health care system when they incur catastrophic medical bills they can't afford to pay. The cost gets passed on to those who largely pay for the health care system: taxpayers, employers and the insured.

"Society should not be penalized by the potential costly medical treatments of those uninsured who can afford to purchase health insurance coverage," an AMA report said.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ama; govwatch; healthcare; libertarians; socializedmedicine
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To: Aikona

I'm with you. So long as people can declare bankruptcy to get out from under hospital bills which would have been covered by a basic catastrophic policy, I believe the rest of society has a right to insist on reasonable precautions. The issue, though, is what is reasonable?

I would support a mandatory catastrophic insurance program for everyone (run privately if possible) and then bargaining for routine healthcare. By bargaining I mean the individual could decide whether to have supplemental insurance to cover routine healthcare and could choose to pay out-of-pocket if they wished. As it is right now, we have catastrophic insurance for all through the bankruptcy laws but the premiums are picked up by all other insurance holders or by taxpayers in general. Incidentally, I would cover an annual physical with the catastrophic insurance so as to detect potential catastrophic illnesses as soon as possible.

I am not a supporter of large government but when large government has already decided that costs for catastrophic illness get picked up by taxpayers or insurance pools, then it is already involved and needs to direct its power to those most responsible for the problem.


61 posted on 06/14/2006 9:11:46 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: PackerBronco

Another Hillary supporter, ya'll are coming out in droves today.


62 posted on 06/14/2006 9:12:11 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: cardinal4

"Why should doctors care if rich people pay cash as opposed to through an HMO?"

Cash payers refuse to be bled dry by and bunch of money groveling doctors and demand reduced pricing.


63 posted on 06/14/2006 9:12:55 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Salgak
(Gee, is my sarcasm showing through yet ???)

Nah, you need to dial it up a tad. :)

64 posted on 06/14/2006 9:15:35 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

This premise of this article is confusing.Why would a single person who makes $49K per year NOT want health insurance?Someone making that much money surely has assets he(or she)would want to protect in the event of a catastrophic illness.You cannot simply refuse to pay hospital bills.If you can't pay,they'll go after you-with a vengence.


65 posted on 06/14/2006 9:16:56 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: JamesP81

Don't think that sharing the flu with someone doesn't damage them or yourself.


66 posted on 06/14/2006 9:18:48 AM PDT by MinstrelBoy (Welfare shouldn't be a career choice.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Another Hillary supporter ...

Or you could call me a Mitt Romney supporter. The fact remains that as long as hospitals are required to treat the uninsured, it is in keeping with both conservative principals and market economics to require people to purchase health insurance; otherwise you allow the uninsured to leech off of everyone else. The alternative is to allow people to forgoe personal responsibility and asking society to pick up the tab --- sounds like liberalism to me.

67 posted on 06/14/2006 9:19:10 AM PDT by PackerBronco
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To: MinstrelBoy
Don't think that sharing the flu with someone doesn't damage them or yourself.

What flu viruses do are not within my reasonable control. Obviously, if I intentionally sneezed on someone, that would be different, but I can't control where viruses go very well. OTOH, I have total control over my automobile. Again, different situations.
68 posted on 06/14/2006 9:21:58 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Londo Molari
When those folks require medical treatment, they don't have the insurance to pay up

Somehow you missed the entire point of the article. The AMA wants to force people to buy insurance who are affluent enough not to need it. They can pay their own way, but they do not help share the risk of the poorer insured. This plan is simply an attempt to work socialized medicine into the tax law, so the wealthy will have to share the costs of treating the poor. In other words, the AMA wants to force insurance on the very people who don't need it. Get it?

70 posted on 06/14/2006 9:25:44 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mike Bates
"Mandatory". "Forced". "Compliance".

This is America?

71 posted on 06/14/2006 9:25:59 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Mike Bates

"Society should not be penalized by the potential costly medical treatments of those uninsured who can afford to purchase health insurance coverage," an AMA report said.


Then stop giving medical care to the illegal immigrants and make them purchase health insurance.


72 posted on 06/14/2006 9:27:17 AM PDT by PETUSMC
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To: Mike Bates
Your original question: Why should doctors care if rich people pay cash as opposed to through an HMO?

My response: Maybe it has something to do with people availing themselves of a service for which they're already paying.

The point I was trying to make is that people who pay for something - in this case insurance - are more like to use a physician's services than someone who doesn't.

73 posted on 06/14/2006 9:28:00 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: cardinal4
Your original question: Why should doctors care if rich people pay cash as opposed to through an HMO?

My response: Maybe it has something to do with people availing themselves of a service for which they're already paying.

The point I was trying to make is that people who pay for something - in this case insurance - are more like to use a physician's services than someone who doesn't.

74 posted on 06/14/2006 9:30:58 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: newgeezer
...insurers would be more inclined to lower rates...

Oh yeah, that'll happen.

75 posted on 06/14/2006 9:33:13 AM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: ItsForTheChildren
Oh yeah, that'll happen.

Yes, competition is wonderful.

76 posted on 06/14/2006 9:40:19 AM PDT by newgeezer (Repeal all Amendments after XV. Yes, ALL of them. Yes, I mean that one, too.)
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To: Mike Bates

The only legal change needed here is to allow hospitals and doctors to refuse to treat people who can't pay. They can make their own decisions about who to provide charity care to, and if they're not getting reimbursed by the taxpayers, even the bleeding hearts will quickly learn to leave gangbangers and arrogant working adults to their own devices. Wouldn't take long for a cultural change to set in.


77 posted on 06/14/2006 9:42:20 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: PackerBronco

Mitt Romney is just as big a socialist as Hillary is. Both are communists in my opinion.

This is a free country, or at least it used to be. But people like you and the rest of the Liberal Left want to make us all beholdin to the government.

The fact remains that you are a socialist nanny stater and will never be anything else until you underestand the concept of freedom.


78 posted on 06/14/2006 9:44:10 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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