The purists' hatred for Bush could kill the conservative movement...and put 'rats in power for a generation.
Interesting, especially the pics.
Excellent post!
I think a decent solution would be for conservatives to vote out the liberal Republicans during the primaries. Whether Bush is conservative or not is moot - he is not up for re-election. However, getting rid of those liberal Republicans in the House and Senate will go a long way toward showing the executive branch what we want. That should be our focus.
Ungh... Another "not as bad as the other guys" argument. Complete with photographs.
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The conservatives will never accept the achievable as acceptable performance. They want it all and they want it now. They will not accept two steps forward and one step back. They want all steps forward. What they soon achieve is three steps back followed by three more.
It is what LBJ told me in 1968. When I asked how he managed to get liberal programs passed that FDR tried and failed to pass, he said he could not have done it with out conservative help. He said it was the Goldwaterite position of throw out the RINOs and go for all or nothing that got Goldwater nothing and LBJ everything.
The most disastrous thing for conservatives is for the most part they not get involved with the efforts needed to convince a majority of the voters to their positions. They have no sales skills and refuse to learn them. They spout their ideological positions which centrists reject. Then after massive defeats they console themselves by thinking the problem was their failure to get their message out.
They mostly just blame RINO Republicans for not doing what it will take to make conservatives a majority.
The margin of victory for Republicans is coming more and more from those to the left of center. So that is where many Republicans including George Bush are moving.
Conservatives never figure it out. Candidates always try to emulate the positions of those who win races. When the right sits on its hands, the lesson the Republican candidates learn is to move more to the left to replace them with left of center moderates. That just moves the center more to the left. That has been happening for 75 years.
The right never learns from its failures or its successes.
Uh-huh, and where do I fit into this equasion?
Most of my ire is directed at the Congress. I oppose strongly the President's proposal on immigration, but he ran on it and I'd be a a hypocrite to claim betrayal. I've gone head to head with the crowds that both want to impeach the President, and with those that support everything he does because he's the President. I like him, he's going to be remembered as one of the Greats, I have vision enough to see beyond today and know that. And he'll have earned that legacy. He's still wrong on immigration.
I defended Tom Delay and, infact, feel betrayed by both those classified as the "betrayed Conservative" and the Moderate establishment. Each threw him overboard, and I've given National Review several bitter tongue lashes for leading the fight.
I supported incrementalism by supporting NCLB as well as private accounts for social security.
I refused to support Miers because, frankly, her qualifications were not good enough. Nor did I see any discernible Judicial philosophy. After decades of being disappointed with incrementalism on this issue enough was enough and I wanted a little more security on the choice. Still doesn't mean Alito will be as hoped, but the odds are better. I supported Roberts, and lashed out against Coulter who STILL hasn't apologized.
As far as pessimism, practically everyone out there whether incremental, betrayed or whatever other designation of conservatism has been preaching a nightmare. I've said time and again I see a status quo! Democrats are Marxists engaged in treason, and Republicans campaigned on issues they seemingly had no intention to deliver on. they thought cnservative rhetoric was good enough to justify office. I was over at Human Events and read they plan on stressing how bad Democrats are. That's it. No policy, just scare tactiques. Be still my heart. meanwhile Grassley is skipping out on extending tax cuts for ONLY TWO YEARS to attend a meeting in his state. Any wonder people are unhappy? And yet, I see status quo not blowout.
I've said time and again they can turn this around in a couple of months. Is that pessimistic? I don't think so. It's quite rational.
These classifications of people are cute, but they don't even begin to cover every segment of people out there.
Great post, Logic Times! BTTT
The two parties have evolved a system where the two party system is entrenched, thus third parties are not an option, the left learned this long ago, so they went and took over the Democratic party. The problem is that our side hasn't figured that out yet. Unless conservatives stop bitching and moaning and take over the local apparatus and move up, we will always end up being disappointed.
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Where are those Republicans?
Nope. The jelly-spined traitorous RINO's who sold themselves as Conservatives and abandoned those principles at the slightest bump in the road did it all to themselves.
A pre-emptive strike on the conservatives? What bullshit. Go ahead and blame me and others like me for the storm that the Republicans have gotten themselves into. You can also blame me for voting for Tom Tancredo. He may not be moderate enough for you CINO's.
The "Betrayed Conservatives" are frauds. Chief Justice Roberts, Asso Justice Alito, Judges Rogers, Brown and Luttig. Game, set match and argument to the GOP. Anyone saying anything different is either a political fraud or a naive fool.
For starters, few conservatives are GWB haters. This seems to be the typical projection that liberals use. Some conservatives see GWB as being faithful to his less than conservative political philosophy, similar to his fathers. Many conservatives are disappointed in GWB when he takes positions that are not only not conservative but are against the beliefs of most Americans, conservatives and moderates, such as his position on the invasion of illegal aliens. Neither of these groups hate the President. This is something that liberals, and some FReepers, do not seem able to understand. True conservatives are guided by their beliefs and intellect, not their feelings. They do not hate everyone that they may fight against.
The central premise of this liberal screed appears to be that there is a group of "betrayed conservatives" who emotionally destroy other "less than pure conservatives". This is ludicrous. Conservatives I know supported Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay when they supported conservative issues. Liberals, including the MSM and squishy Republicans, are the groups who wanted to destroy these conservatives and the record of this is obvious for anyone with eyes.
The tone of this article is similar to many posts I have seen on FR i.e. anyone not agreeing with the President or the latest RNC position is a "basher" or "hater" and is only aiding "Hillary" or the Democrats in their quest to get into office and destroy the Country. I have often wondered if these posts are from liberals who want to pit all non-liberals against each other. It seems that these posts are often emotional and "shrill", another projection this article uses. Even when conservative posters are logical, factual and respectful, they are called names and accused of all sort of heinous behavior. This definitely has the stench of emotional liberalism.
This article, and similar posts, never seem to have any solution other than keep voting for the Republicans who have proven they are against conservative principles. They never explain how this could possibly help get the Country back on track, but only "scream" that to do otherwise is to betray Republicans and insure total destruction by the Democrats. Fear-mongering, another liberal tactic.
Although I have often responded to these type of posts, maybe I am just being gamed. Maybe, like the author of this article, liberals are just trying to get us to buy into their alternative universe where logic is emotion, principles are naive foolishness and conservatives are the problem.
I think I will be more selective in who I post to,....nah, that would away take too much of the fun!
So now the schmuckerheads are moving to marginalize the conservatives within the Republican Party the same way their counterparts on the other side of the isle marginalized the conservatives in the ranks of the Democratic Party.
This story doesn't mention the Betrayed Conservative's cousin, the Betrayed Faux Conservative. The Betrayed Faux Conservative can be identified by certain traits, such as whining about Bush killing Iraqis when he couldn't have cared less about Clinton killing Serbians.
AHHHH! Those pics, away Satan, BE GONE, EVIL ANGELS!!!
