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Why crack down on immigration?
Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | 4/30/2006 | Mitchell Schnurmann

Posted on 04/30/2006 6:21:01 AM PDT by sinkspur

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To: sinkspur
"Many immigrants, especially illegals, pay payroll taxes and never collect from Social Security."

No mention here that these illegal aliens have stolen these Social Security Numbers from American Citizens. Many, if not all, of these stolen Social Security Numbers belong to our children, and years from now, when our children attempt to get a loan they will find that some illegal has trashed their credit record.

For every dollar illegal aliens pay into Social Security through payroll deduction on stolen Social Security Numbers, how many dollars do they borrow using our children's Social Security Numbers and never pay back? Our children will find out some day.

41 posted on 04/30/2006 7:00:48 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Baynative; sinkspur
Those Doughboys in WWI would know exactly what we're talking about: Wilson finally got Congressional approval to enter WWI after the Brits intercepted a message from Germany's foreign minister asking Mexico to join Germany in exchange for the return of southwest U.S.

What really provides a good indication of how much this country has changed is that we entered a war in which 53,402 troops were killed in less than 6 months fighting an enemy that had merely PROPOSED what is happening right now.

42 posted on 04/30/2006 7:01:49 AM PDT by lemura
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To: sinkspur

Incredible! Sinkspur goes to any length to defend illegal aliens & the supposed financial boon to our country while ignoring the hundreds of billions of dollars to cover their free medical expenses, social services, free education, in-state college tuition, etc. On the other hand, he loves to attack evangelical Christians, conservatives and patriotic Americans who are willing to fight to defend our country from enemies both abroad and domestic.... like 18-20 million illegal aliens.


43 posted on 04/30/2006 7:02:22 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Mojave; sinkspur
Yes, education might be a draw, yet we're stuck once they're here. We can't have millions of kids hanging around barrios with -0- education.

That's why apologists/champions like Sinky use it as a rhetorical point - you can't attack its logic headon.

The real issue is prevention & detection. Failing that, we're learning all we need to know about our national 'leaders'.

44 posted on 04/30/2006 7:05:00 AM PDT by lemura
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To: deport; ncountylee
I belive that's a Texas case ruling on education rights for illegal children. I don't think it has anything to do with any ruling that children of illegals are automatically citizens.

I'd also like to see a Supreme Court ruling that says specifically that illegals born in this country are auomatically US ciizens. The close thing I can find is US v Wong Kim Ark but that case really does not settle the issue about if the 14th amendment says that anyone born on US soil is a US citizen.

Congress needs to immediately pass a law that says that children born to illegals are no automatically US ciizens and also that English is the only and offical language of the US.

45 posted on 04/30/2006 7:06:05 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (What is is about "illegal" you don't understand?)
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To: sinkspur
Today, it's Mexico and Central America that account for 37 percent of immigrants, followed by Asia (25 percent) and Europe (14 percent).

What percent does Al Qaeda comprise?

In fact, the Fort Worth Star Telegram has no idea.

As we've seen, it doesn't take many.

46 posted on 04/30/2006 7:07:10 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Mojave

Here in Nashville, the local Gannett org The Tennessean never even distinguishes the difference.

It's all about IMMIGRANTS....not illegal, not even undocumented.

Just IMMIGRANTS.

Even some FROBLs do better than that.


47 posted on 04/30/2006 7:08:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (MALDEF and LULAC have infested this forum....as if RINOS weren't bad enough)
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To: sinkspur

We're not "cracking down" on immigration. That liitle word, "illegal," always seems to disappear with these BS arguments.


48 posted on 04/30/2006 7:09:08 AM PDT by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: martin_fierro

I think F is on the Duke Lacrosse team.


49 posted on 04/30/2006 7:09:24 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: lemura

And we can't expect illegals to homeschool, use private or parochial schools, etc.


50 posted on 04/30/2006 7:09:38 AM PDT by Mojave
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From the researchers at the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers in L.A. County are working for cash and not paying taxes.

95 percent of all arrest warrants issued for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send about $15 billion back to Mexico annually.

It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.


51 posted on 04/30/2006 7:10:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (MALDEF and LULAC have infested this forum....as if RINOS weren't bad enough)
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To: isthisnickcool
Congress needs to immediately pass a law that says that children born to illegals are no automatically US ciizens and also that English is the only and offical language of the US.

Agree and I'm not sure that an executive order won't work too.

52 posted on 04/30/2006 7:11:16 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: sinkspur

Every article, editorial and column in the paper, Star Telegram (DFW) was like this, way too many to post here but they were all pro-immigration legal and/or illegal.


53 posted on 04/30/2006 7:12:04 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: Baynative; isthisnickcool; stopem; EagleUSA; hershey; cripplecreek; meyer; ecomcon; keithtoo; ...
JMO, but as I have posted in so many words before, it is not a coincidence that this crap is being done on May 1. As you are aware, May 1 is celebrate communism day.

This is not about immigration. This is the infancy of a leftist, separatist, "home-rule" revolution. In time, we will see the violent tactics used in Mexico and South America, complete with bombings, kidnappings, and assassinations of police and political figures. And I have total faith and confidence that our Government will cower and eventually capitulate.

54 posted on 04/30/2006 7:13:14 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: isthisnickcool
The close thing I can find is US v Wong Kim Ark but that case really does not settle the issue about if the 14th amendment says that anyone born on US soil is a US citizen.

That Supreme Court case did note that the children of invaders were not citizens. But the OBL types call the invaders "undocumented workers".

55 posted on 04/30/2006 7:13:30 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I slipped one of the Osmonds in there as a trick question.


56 posted on 04/30/2006 7:14:40 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: sinkspur

Interesting conversation with my Italian/American friend, Emilia --(dual citizenship). Once in a while she comes out with remarks to curl your hair. Yesterday, it was that Hitler hadn't been such a bad dictator after all. (Maybe she has a soft spot for Mussolini.) Hitler had done some good things for Germany. Well, the trains ran on time, etc., but with slave labor! Her sister in Italy works for an organization that takes in orphans, most from African countries and Eastern Europe. Huge growing problem. Ignorance, poverty, racial factors, and more illegal immigrants pouring in every day. They're overwhelming Italy and Spain...which is why Spain put up the wall. Not enough people to keep the labor force going...socialism requires workers! She said the govt.'s begging Italians to have more kids, as is Germany. And the UK is paying immigrants to leave, three thousand a head. Just please leave. And we know who this is aimed at.

We started talking about illegal immigrants in the US, the cultural divide between Mexicans and Americans. They don't value education so kids drop out of school at alarming rates. Fifty per cent in Denver. Polled, they said the three reasons they'd dropped out were hard times at home, poor self esteem, and peer pressure. Studies being hard or boring wasn't a factor. In Colorado, schooling's probably bilingual anyway.

The glaring irony is illegals pulling kids out of school for the march on May 1. Out of their minds. You couldn't ask for a more stark indicator of what's wrong with them. It's the here and now. Gimme, gimme, gimme. I want my American/human rights! Who cares how my kids are going to support themselves in ten years. The US govt. owes them.

A man from Holland, but in the US for the past 2 years, now being transferred to Belgium, said the trick was not to think about Europe's troubles with Muslims/Iranian nukes, illegal immigrants, any of it, or you'd get an ulcer. What's the use? You can't do anything about it anyway. I didn't point out that Holland is already lost and Belgium is beyond help. The man's in total denial.


57 posted on 04/30/2006 7:23:01 AM PDT by hershey
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To: isthisnickcool

Congress needs to immediately pass a law that says that children born to illegals are no automatically US ciizens and ....



I think that would take an amendment editing what the 14th says for clarification rather than a law by congress.


58 posted on 04/30/2006 7:23:03 AM PDT by deport
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To: sinkspur
I stopped reading early when I saw the article substitute "immigration" for "illegal immigration".

Why do some people think Americans are against immigration? It's immigration that's ILLEGAL that we oppose.

59 posted on 04/30/2006 7:25:53 AM PDT by Principled
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To: stopem

Middle Class Americans can't afford health care, but have to pay for illegals' health care/education/welfare, etc.. One fairly well off self-employed man said his healthcare cost him $19K a year, so he'd had to downsize to catastrophic -- $15K.


60 posted on 04/30/2006 7:26:21 AM PDT by hershey
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