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At least, they want us to BELIEVE he died...

I think we need an autopsy. Something's fishy here.

The truth is out there...?

I didn't even know he was sick!

Ping.

Another victim of the Men in Black.

"Haut and two other men founded The International UFO Museum in 1991 where he was president until 1996. More than 2 1/2 million people have visited the museum since it opened in 1992, Shuster said."

That's alot of dough if they are charging admission. I want to start a UFO museum too...lol

Damm! They finally silenced him!

I personally suspect that the aliens were helping with the Manhattan project and follow on research. While living in Los Alamos, they went on a tequila run to Juarez. Not being able to handle our planet's ethanol, they crashed while doing shots on their return trip to Los Alamos.

I doubt we'll ever know the truth behind the language he chose for the "flying saucer" news release.

Walter Haut, spokesman who announced wreckage of flying saucer in Roswell, died at 83

Hmmmm. Pretty convenient.

There are 25 posts here. Would someone PLEASE post the "Aw, not this S**T again" poster?

I think there is two significant stories to this Roswell Crash Story:

1) What Jesse Marcel said.

2) The decoding of that paper held in General Roger Ramey's hand during the news conference with that kite.

ping

Prayer for the family. RIP

Some related oldies, I didn't check the links for signs of life.

Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says
by Sheila Lennon
11/25/2002
While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary. A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel. Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."
Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says
by Richard Benke
11/22/2002
A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash... In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.
Four Ramey Message Comparisons
by George A. Filer
11/22/2002
Neil Morris writes from the University of Manchester in England. Several distinguished groups are attempting to interpret the writing on a message held in General Ramey's hand taken in the Commander's 8th Air Force office by photographer James Bond Johnson in July of 1947. David Rudiak's sent his "take" of the message and allowed me to include it in the comparisons of readings taken from a message that takes up a tiny portion of the photograph. It has taken fifty years and modern computers to attempt to read the message. There are several interpretations of the message and we should emphasize that the various "takes" are far from being set in stone and represent a "snap-shot" of a work in progress as of April. The interpretations, I am sure, WILL change and evolve as time goes on.

1) CAPITALS denote firm interpretation.
2) Lowerspace are guesses but may be incorrect
3) "*" denote unknown letter,
4) My line format is to the best I can conclude, correct to the grid layout of the typed text

(M) - Neil Morris at U. of Manchester.
(B) - Don Burleson's interpretation MUFON Journal March 2000.
(C) - Tom Carey/Don Schmitt interpretation 3/2000.
(DR) - David Rudiak March/April 2000
(F) - Chris Farmer/Filer
Line 1.
???xxxx-xxx--x-xxxxxxxx xxx--xx-xxx xxxx xxx--xx-x xx xxx

(M) reco VERY Was ROSWELl Head oIc giveN AS THE
(B) RECO ---- OPERATION WITH ROSWELL DISK 074 MJ--AT THE
(C) RECO ......OPERATION ........................................................AT THE
(DR) recovery operations WEre found NEAR site two, at one
Line 2.
????xxx xxx xxx xxxxxxx xx xxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xx xxx
(M) ..............ext 4*S EXp VIctIMS of THE WRecK and CONVAy ON TO THE
(B) - --- ..........THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(C) JULY 4TH THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(DR) todaY All THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
Line 3.
???xxx xx xxxx xxxxxx xxx.
(M) *** at FORT WORTH. Txe.
(B) TEAM AT FORT WORTH. TXE.
(C) .....AT FORT WORTH. TEX.
(DR) teaM AT FORT WORTH, TEX.
Line 4.
??xxxxxx xx xxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxx xx-xxx xxxx-xx-
(M) w**S** SOrTei *e**** thAT- ONUS raaF T&E A3**9* Landparty
(B) ----SS-- ON THE "DISK" MUST- HAVE SENT -0- A-AM-- A-------D
(C) ESSOR ON THE "DISK" MUST THUS SAVE FOR ATOMIC LABORATORY
(DR) ----ses in THE "DISC" THEY will ship FOR Ac-as2 Arrived
Line 5.
??xxxx-xx xx-xxxx xxxxxx xx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xxx
(M)SOught CRASHes *O**** are needed sITEone ** **s***** locate
(B) -- URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITETWO AT CARLSBAD,NMEX--
(C) URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITE TWO NW ROSWELL, N.MEX.
(DR) by b29 OR c47. bomber sq AsSist flights AT ROSWELL. AS---
Line 6.
??xx-x-xxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xx xxxxx xxx xxxx
(M) MIDDAY 509# TOLD newspaPeR segment of STORY Adv ****
(B) - SAFE TALK NEWSPAPER MEANING OF STORY AND -----
(C) SAFE TALK WANTED FOR MEANING OF STORY AND MISSION
(DR) (at noon)todaY SAID SenD MiStatEd rElease AS STORY And said
(F) "TOLD GA50 UNKNOWN SGMNTS OF STORY...etc."__
Line 7.
??-xxxxxxx xxxx xxxx xxx xx-xx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxx
(M) LLY THrY EVEN PUT for AF WEATATN BALLOONS raDar WERE
(B) ONLY SHOW ---- ---- BY WEATHER BALLOONS 400-KW WAVE
(C) NEXT CREW OUT TODAY. WEATHER BALLOONS WOULD MAKE
(DR) (news)theY nEXt send out is of WEATHER BALLOONS would make
Line 8.
??-xxxx-x xxxx xxx xxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx.
(M) And Land L*** denver ofww3
(B) ---- -- 9 AND LAND L--- DENVER CREWS.
(C) . . . 509 HAS LAND SURVEYOR CREWS.
(DR) (a good)storY. ADD LAND Displayer crewS.
Line 9.
xxxxx-
(M) ******
(B) TEMPLE
(C) "R RAMEY"
(DR) rAMEy
(F) TEMPLE

Thanks to Neil Morris, Dept, of Physics, University of Manchester