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Smoking Ban Meeting Planned For Tuesday (Freep This Poll)
Channel3000.com ^ | September 20, 2005 | Staff Writer

Posted on 09/20/2005 2:38:10 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

Smoking Ban Meeting Planned For Tuesday

POSTED: 7:04 pm CDT September 19, 2005 UPDATED: 1:35 pm CDT September 20, 2005

MADISON, Wis. -- The Madison Common Council is preparing to clear the air on the city's smoking ban Tuesday night.

Many of those who have rallied to repeal the smoking ban are expected to attend Tuesday night's common council meeting.

Three smoking-related things are on the agenda including an outright appeal of the ban, an amendment to allow businesses to apply for a hardship exemption and a proposal for a citywide referendum.

"It doesn't look like there's enough votes to repeal the ban," said Mayor Dave Cieslewicz. "And at this point, it doesn't look like there are enough votes for the other options as well. At this point, it looks like the smoking ban will remain in place."

Spokesmen for the group that supports repealing the smoking ban said they have eight of the 11 votes needed for repeal.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: addiction; cancer; gnatzie; kelolovers; lunger; nicotine; nikifit; pufflist
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To: velocityguy; Gabz

"For the rest of the manual work at home I have servants


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Are they legal? Are they well paid? Do you treat them with respect?

I doubt it----you ooze condescension and arrogance. Shame on you !


151 posted on 09/21/2005 9:37:47 PM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: patton

I think that is very commendable. That is what I do too.


152 posted on 09/21/2005 9:40:56 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: Mears

Ha, what a needless question!!

Yes, I do pay them well and i bow down for the superb job they do.


153 posted on 09/21/2005 9:44:46 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy

So, um - why are you worried about a title? I never needed one.


154 posted on 09/21/2005 9:44:59 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: velocityguy
My bar or restaurant is NOT a public place - why can you not get that through your supposedly intelligent brain?

You have no concept of the fact of private property owners that INVITES the public into their establishments as opposed to public places such as the local court house or city hall.

You are no better than a liberal as long as you refuse to believe in the rights of private property owners when they do not agree with your ideas.

There are lots of nonsmoking establishments I patronize on a regular basis, because I enjoy the atmosphere or the food or whatever - because it was the DECISION of the owner - not by government edict provoked by whiners like you.

As to rude smokers who litter - as I said earlier, you know nothing about me - I have actually pulled off to the side of the road and made a passenger get out of the car and go pick up the butt tossed out the window. I've done it more than once. I do not tolerate littering of any type.

You oppose the right of a private property owner to make decisions about how he or she runs their business and the clientele to whom they wish to cater and that, in my book, makes you not only an anti-smoker, but anti-American, and anti-private enterprise.

I trust that has clarified my position about your anti-American position.

155 posted on 09/21/2005 9:47:10 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: patton

Oh no, not at all. I am not worried about the title.


156 posted on 09/21/2005 9:47:21 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: Gabz

I am considering buying a bar in STL. Want in?


157 posted on 09/21/2005 9:49:56 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: Gabz
My bar or restaurant is NOT a public place - why can you not get that through your supposedly intelligent brain?

No no you have misunderstood me.

Here are the two examples on what I am saying -

1. If a smokers smoke and throw their cigarette butts in public places, i cannot stand that.

2. If smokers throw their cigarette butt on roads while driving their cars, that is very irritating.

3. If smokers walk into a meeting with their cigarette stench that is not acceptable. Infact, now some tech companies are encouraging smokers not to walk into the buildings with cigarette stench.

Situations such as these above three are irritating and unhelpful.

Places like a house or a restaurant or a private company are not public properties so they must have the FReedom to do their business as they please. I am totally supportive of that.

Only scenarios such as the three above that irritate me.
158 posted on 09/21/2005 9:58:54 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: patton

What is STL? Standard Template Library?


159 posted on 09/21/2005 10:02:31 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy; patton

Sorry, got it STL = ST.Louis.


160 posted on 09/21/2005 10:03:28 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy
Hey I am not telling you how to run your business. All I am saying like I mentioned earlier is smoking in public places .........

You sir, are a liar................you support government mandated smoking bans in private businesses - that is telling me how to run my business.

I am not saying how to run your store. That is your private life and I have no right to intrude into your private life.

Horse manure - you are supporting government mandates to tell me how to run my business because of your selfishness. Thankfully, I do not run a tavern or restaurant - I've watched far too many people I know and are friends either go out of business or face huge fines because of people like you who have no concept of private property rights.

A little bit of manual labor would probably serve you well - if nothing else it would at least knock the chip off your shoulder and teach you a bit of humility.

161 posted on 09/21/2005 10:04:56 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

They really should outlaw farting. I find that as offensive as someones cigarette smoke.


162 posted on 09/21/2005 10:08:30 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: Gabz

Calm down, Gab - he is just some guy on the internet.


163 posted on 09/21/2005 10:08:59 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: The Foolkiller
You married a cool dude that tells it like it is.

Yes, I did. After 17 years he is still my best friend - even when he tells me like it is about something I've done :)

164 posted on 09/21/2005 10:09:17 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: patton
I don't use a title at all - it confuses the little people.

Bless you....from one of the little people :)

165 posted on 09/21/2005 10:11:03 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: The Foolkiller

I don't know whether they put our a result or not - but the last result I saw was 52% for repeal - unfortunately that was AFTER the the meeting and vote.

The vote against repeal was only won by 1 vote though.


166 posted on 09/21/2005 10:14:32 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz
Oh man Gabz ... I just got in.

What an a$$. I simply do not have the time right now...big week-end is almost upon us.

Looks like your doing a great job. Sorry I can't assist!

167 posted on 09/21/2005 10:14:47 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I personally think they need to ban all smoking, including smoke from car tailpipes. How many of those that think the smoke of a burning leaf should be banned would be in favor of giving up their 2 inch smoking tailpipes.

The anti-cigarette-smoking crowd is totally unthinking. If you don't like the smell of the things, fine. But that is a far as your arguement can rationally be taken.


168 posted on 09/21/2005 10:15:12 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Gabz
you support government mandated smoking bans in private businesses

Nice try Saheba!!!

Re-read again. probably this time your brain might process it correctly -

All I am saying like I mentioned earlier is smoking in public places .........

how in the world you read the above sentence? Is a restaurant a public place? Absolutely not. Then my statement does not apply to a restaurant or a home or a tavern or a hotel. Lacking braincells can definitely cause someone to say "you support government mandated smoking bans in private businesses - that is telling me how to run my business." while I am talking about smoking in public places
169 posted on 09/21/2005 10:15:52 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy; Mears

You omitted an answer - are they legal?

I have an additional question - in your paying are you withholding the required taxes, or are they being paid as "consultants"???????


170 posted on 09/21/2005 10:17:39 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: patton

Sounds like a good idea - let me talk to hubby about it.


171 posted on 09/21/2005 10:19:00 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz

I don;t answer questions from dumb people who cannot interpret a sentence correctly in thier own mother tongue!!!! Hey, there may be some openings at my ESL course. Consider joining.


172 posted on 09/21/2005 10:20:44 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy; Gabz

Not to pee in your hookah, but Gabz could run circles around you in language. Trust me.


173 posted on 09/21/2005 10:23:59 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: Gabz

He may have intelligence, but hasn't one iota of common sense.


174 posted on 09/21/2005 10:26:27 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: The Foolkiller

Hey, foul mouthed and abusive language users are talking about commonsense. Interesting!


175 posted on 09/21/2005 10:35:17 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: Gabz

No offense intended toward any white-collar folks here-I worked on BOTH sides of the fence throughout the years before retiring-but-It's ALWAYS white-collar whining yuppies who are anti-smoker Taliban. Never suffered or went without, never will. Always had it easy-had it their way-and demand instant gratification on any subject. I've never once in my entire life met or heard of, any blue-collar people who were for total , sweeping bans. Not even the ones who hated the smell of tobacco. My theory is, the harder you have to work for what you have, the more you learn to respect other folks' hard work. Therefore, you are more likely to become infuriated when you see government taking anyone's livelyhood away.


176 posted on 09/21/2005 10:36:49 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: velocityguy

You are making no sense whatsoever. Yet you earlier questioned my sanity??????

You have already stated you support smoking bans such as the one discussed in the article - now you are saying you do not?

I have had the same position on this issue for more years than I care to discuss now, but I will repeat it.

I will accept a smoking ban for public buildings (taxpayer paid) such as schools and court houses. I don't like it because I am a taxpayer also, but I can accept it.

I can not and will not accept a government mandated smoking ban in privately owned businesses.

I patronize businesses that do not permit smoking - but only if the business owner has made that choice.

In states or cities that have government mandated smoking bans - I only patronize businesses that I know opposed the ban.

Among the most vocal opponents of these bans have been the establishments that were non-smoking by choice.......the bans have destroyed the niche market they created for themselves.


177 posted on 09/21/2005 10:37:36 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: patton

I know you are right - and I normally do behave the way you are suggesting, but for some reason this one has really gotten to me.

The fact I got less than 4 hours sleep last night might have something to do with it :)


178 posted on 09/21/2005 10:41:31 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Justanobody

Not to worry, my FRiend.

I'm heading for the pillow very shortly.


179 posted on 09/21/2005 10:42:48 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz
You are making no sense whatsoever.

Okay, please please re-read the following few lines.

Hmmm, someone seems to have failed to read my very first post correctly.

Here are the two crucial comments I made. For your convinience, this time in all bold letters, so you may read it correctly -
Hence, I totally support banning smoking in all public places.

If people want to smoke, let them smoke in their own private areas instead of public places. As long as the smokers do not make the non-smokers victims of their second hand smoke, I believe it is well and good.

65 posted on 09/20/2005 11:52:37 PM PDT by velocityguy

Now read over and over again until you know the meaning of "If people want to smoke, let them smoke in their own private areas instead of public places", which was taken out from my very first post.

Get it? If you still cannot get it, I cannot help you anymore! I have to be at TI at 9:00AM sharp. So have to leave in a bit. But I hope this time you interpret correctly what i meant. Thanks.
180 posted on 09/21/2005 10:50:03 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy

Nice try..........no cigar.

You stated from the get go your support of this measure.

Now, if you are backing off that original position I will be more than happy to discuss the realities of SHS and smoking bans with you.


181 posted on 09/21/2005 10:52:37 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: velocityguy

I was probably wrong on your heritage. If you have anything to do with software- Bet you're from Pakistan or India, am I right? And probably work for less than an American. Which is the only reason they hired you in the first place. Don't know why they didn't just send the job overseas to you, that's what they usually do these days. I'll never see your response anyway, as I'm from now on skipping over your posts, regardless of what thread they're on. I refuse to recognize your existence from now on. This is the way I deal with trolls on this board. It takes a lot of will power, and takes a lot more time, but it's worth it. That's why I have no problems with blood pressure. I no longer have to endure people like you, especially in the workplace. That's precisely why I retired early. My last job was white-collar, under a foreigner who came here for the American buck. He made no attempt to attempt to fit in, I had to ask him to repeat everything, as he spoke in broken english. Didn't want to learn it properly. No need, as he probably had no intention of ever becoming a citizen. He spent most of his day either flirting with the women, or throwing his weight around. He made what should have been the easiest job in the world-difficult. Kept your guts in knots. When I was about to turn 62, I thought long and hard-and decided to hell with 'the new workplace.' Retired early, and don't miss it a damned bit. Goodbye, troll.


182 posted on 09/21/2005 10:57:11 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: patton; The Foolkiller

Thank you, my FRiends.


183 posted on 09/21/2005 10:57:52 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz
Okay, what is my original position? Like I mentioned in my very first post, here is my one and only original position.

If people want to smoke, let them smoke in their own private areas instead of public places.

That is my unchanged original postion as posted in my very first post. If you cannot interpret this correctly and are desperately trying to think the opposite of it, then I cannot help you. You got to re-read and re-read until you know what the above sentence means. Thanks.
184 posted on 09/21/2005 11:00:31 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy
Hey, there may be some openings at my ESL course. Consider joining.

Considering you are obviously not taking a true ESL ( English as SECOND Language, not "spoken") course - I seriously doubt I will even consider it. Most especially since I have taught many of the real ones.........

185 posted on 09/21/2005 11:04:39 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: The Foolkiller

Wow, you are a lot older than me. I am only 27. Young and highly accomplished. An fyi to you, I make a 6 figure salary just like any other Lead Scientist American or non-American. Quite a lot of money huh? let me dictate this to you. The CPU you are using is designed and analyzed with my algorithm. So i command you, you resist using it at the voltage me and my colleagues specified as the operating voltage. You exceed it, the CPU is a gone case. There, I gave the command. you have the choice. You either follow it and if you do not follow it, I command you you have absolutely no option other than buying another CPU which I helped develop.

There two commands. Now suck it up and live with it. 62 means you should already be counting!!!!


186 posted on 09/21/2005 11:07:10 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: The Foolkiller
No offense intended toward any white-collar folks here-I worked on BOTH sides of the fence

No offense taken because I have also done both - sometimes at the same time.

It's ALWAYS white-collar whining yuppies who are anti-smoker Taliban. ABSOLUTELY..without question, you are perfectly correct

187 posted on 09/21/2005 11:12:02 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz

The fact I got less than 4 hours sleep last night might have something to do with it :)




Tell me about it. :D


188 posted on 09/21/2005 11:13:37 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: BJungNan
The anti-cigarette-smoking crowd is totally unthinking. If you don't like the smell of the things, fine. But that is a far as your arguement can rationally be taken.

I can't believe I missed this comment of yours.

You have NAILED the whole thing about these people.

189 posted on 09/21/2005 11:15:52 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz
You keep on re-reading "If people want to smoke, let them smoke in their own private areas instead of public places", like I mention in post #184 until you understand it. If you cannot, then you should consider taking ESL courses or TOEFL.

If you are too adamant and stubborn to accept you made a mistake by incorrectly interpreting what "If people want to smoke, let them smoke in their own private areas instead of public places", you are in every way eligilble to join the stubborn people of my Ex-religion because they too are just as stubborn...lacking the ability to accept the obvious things as they are with out spinning them.
190 posted on 09/21/2005 11:20:07 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy

You supported this particular move to ban smokig in private establishments and stated it wasa good thing because you don't like smoke - thus you support government mandated smoking bans in private businesses.

Please point me to your post that states you oppose government mandated smoking bans upon private businesses. All over your posts refer to public places, which is exactly how the authorties in this locality are considering private businesses.


191 posted on 09/21/2005 11:28:08 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: The Foolkiller; Gabz

Having just quickly skimmed "his" comments, my guess would be he's from a communist/socialist country.


192 posted on 09/21/2005 11:35:23 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: The Foolkiller; velocityguy

What was it I was sayig about my husband fixing the problems caused by the geeks?


Job security is a wonderful thing.


193 posted on 09/21/2005 11:40:06 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: Gabz
You supported this particular move to ban smokig in private establishments and stated it wasa good thing because you don't like smoke - thus you support government mandated smoking bans in private businesses.

There you go again!

Please keep on re-reading post #169 together with post #190. until you figure out what I was saying.

I clarified it in every detail I can think of in my head!!! For gods sake, re-read the above posts until you understand rather than accusing me!!!

Public places are for example, high ways, local roads, city air port entrances, walk ways etc where I hate to see people throwing their cigarette butts on the ground instead of placing them in the trash bins.

Private places are my home, your home, Olive Garden, Tejas TexMex grill etc. I don't care what private places do. They can do whatever they want smoke, drink, dance or whatever....its none of my business or the government's business.

Thank god(i don't believe in god btw) I don't have dumb people in my group at work!!!!
194 posted on 09/21/2005 11:44:51 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: Justanobody
No not from a communist country or a socialist country. I am from one of the three greatest democracies in this world called India
195 posted on 09/21/2005 11:49:02 PM PDT by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy
Here is the entirety of your post - in support of smoking bans in PRIVATE businesses:

To: Diana in Wisconsin

I don;t like smokers and people who smoke and throw their cigarettes on the road while driving.

Smoking causes bad allergic reactions, asthma and shortness of breath to many people. I am one of them who suffer when someone is smoking in public around me. Inhaling second hand smoke even by accident causes my body to react badly with shortness of breath.

Hence, I totally support banning smoking in all public places.

If people want to smoke, let them smoke in their own private areas instead of public places. As long as the smokers do not make the non-smokers victims of their second hand smoke, I believe it is well and good.

65 posted on 09/21/2005 2:52:37 AM EDT by velocityguy

You did not differentiate between private and public. That failure on your part is the reason for the grief you are currently getting - you now have an opportunity to redeem yourself by admitting that a private business open to the public is still a PRIVATE business and the owner's rights outrank yours.

196 posted on 09/21/2005 11:58:40 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane season)
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To: velocityguy; Justanobody; The Foolkiller; Gabz
Yo velocityguy, Note that not all americans are as brainless as these three are.

I read your first post #65 and the #169 and #190. I think I am perfectly understanding what you said.

Bottom line, you encourage privacy in a Private place like my home, hotel or a restaurant but regret people spoiling public places by throwing their smokes in the non-designated areas in public places.

Makes sense one hundred percent. Your resume is impressive. Don't waste your time making half brain dead guys understand what you mean. Its better you move on :)
197 posted on 09/22/2005 12:08:08 AM PDT by anti-infidel
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To: Gabz

You do not have any brain. I admit that!!!

GO BACK AND REREAD THE POSTS #65, #169 and #190. I EVEN GAVE YOU EXAMPLES OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PLACES IN POST#194.

IF YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND, LIKE I SAID RE-READ THE POSTS #65, #169 AND #190 IN THAT ORDER AND FOLLOW IT UP WITH THE EXAMPLES IN POST#194.

KEEP ON RE-READING AND RE-READING AND MORE RE-READING....DO NOT STOP UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND....


198 posted on 09/22/2005 12:14:46 AM PDT by velocityguy
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To: anti-infidel

Yet another troll to ignore in the future.


199 posted on 09/22/2005 12:17:06 AM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I quit almost 8 months now but the ban is stupid. Hell they fined a prestigious club here in NY for having ashtrays in the OFFICE.


200 posted on 09/22/2005 12:18:01 AM PDT by Cougar66 (If I wanted any crap from a liberal, I'd squeeze their face.)
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