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Fritz Hollings Connected Iraq To 9/11 [Who Woulda Thunk It]
Captains Quarters ^ | April 28, 2005 | Captain Ed

Posted on 08/29/2005 5:43:39 AM PDT by conservativecorner

Perhaps Senator Fritz Hollings cannot claim to have first connected Iraq to 9/11, but he did point out for the record an odd literary coincidence in a speech on the Senate floor on September 12, 2002, the day after the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Hollings entered an editorial into the Congressional record from the Iraqi newspaper Al-Nasiriyah, which he noted appears curious for its eerily prescient language:

America says, admitting just like a bird in the midst of a tornado, that Bin Ladin is behind the bombing of its destroyer in Aden. The fearful series of events continues for America and the terror within America gets to the point that the Governor of Texas increases the amount of the award, just as the stubbornness of the other man and his challenge increases. This challenge makes it such that one of his grandchildren comes from Jeddah traveling on the official Saudi Arabia airlines and celebrates with him the marriage of one of the daughters of his companions. Bin Ladin has become a puzzle and a proof also, of the inability of the American federalism and the C.I.A. to uncover the man and uncover his nest. The most advanced organizations of the world cannot find the man and continues to go in cycles in illusion and presuppositions. They still hope that he could come out from his nest one day, they hope that he would come out from his hiding hole and one day they will point at him their missiles and he will join Guevara, Hassan Abu Salama, Kamal Nasser, Kanafani and others. The man responds with a thin smile and replies to the correspondent from Al Jazeera that he will continue to be the obsession and worry of America and the Jews, and that even that night he will practice and work on an exercise called ``How Do You Bomb the White House.'' And because they know that he can get there, they have started to go through their nightmares on their beds and the leaders have had to wear their bulletproof vests. Meanwhile America has started to pressure the Taliban movement so that it would hand them Bin Ladin, while he continues to smile and still thinks seriously, with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House .....

The phenomenon of Bin Ladin is a healthy phenomenon in the Arab spirit. It is a decision and a determination that the stolen Arab self has come to realize after it got bored with promises of its rulers: After it disgusted itself from their abomination and their corruption, the man had to carry the book of God and the Kalashnikov and write on some off white paper ``If you are unable to drive off the Marines from the Kaaba, I will do so.'' It seems that they will be going away because the revolutionary Bin Ladin is insisting very convincingly that he will strike America on the arm that is already hurting. That the man will not be swayed by the plant leaves of Whitman nor by the ``Adventures of Indiana Jones'' and will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs.

In one editorial, two months before the attack, al-Nasiriyah -- a state-run newspaper for the Saddam regime -- managed to name all three attack targets for 9/11. They said that bin Laden had spent his time trying to work out how to bomb the White House, which would happen shortly before destroying the Pentagon. Then, in typically flowery Arabic fashion, the author claims that Americans will "curse the memory of Frank Sinatra", an odd reference -- unless one remembers that "New York, New York" remains Sinatra's signature song. In the event, the attack followed precisely this plan, except in reverse order: the World Trade Center went first, then the Pentagon, and the White House would likely have followed if the heroes of Flight 93 had not caused the terrorists to down the plane in Pennsylvania.

Even beyond that, the fawning tone and obvious support for Osama bin Laden in one of Saddam's newspapers belies any suggestion that the two could not find common ground for operations against their common enemy. Saddam wanted Iraqis to stand behind Osama and al-Qaeda and cheer on their attacks on the US. The author states: "This new awareness of the image that Bin Ladin has become gives shape to the resting areas and stops for every Arab revolutionary. It is the subject of our admiration here in Iraq because it shares with us in a unified manner our resisting stand, and just as he fixes his gaze on the Al Aqsa we greet him."

Let's take another look at the timeline to see where July 21, 2001 fits into it. At that point, Mohammed Atta has just met with Ramzi Binalshibh in Madrid, discussing the need to set a date for the attacks. Binalshibh claims that Atta did not do so at that meeting, but Binalshibh provides the only evidence of Atta's demurral. Five days later, Hamid Zakeri would walk into an American embassy and tell the CIA that Osama bin Laden would launch a massive attack the US on September 11, and that the attack would involve six pilots -- an attack about which he learned through his Iranian contacts.

It certainly seems that Binalshibh has created quite a disinformation campaign, and that American officials appeared determined to swallow it. In case you wondered, the 9/11 Commission makes no mention of the Iraqi predictions in its final report, to no one's great surprise.

UPDATE: The Hollings link came from a Thomas search, which apparently didn't deliver a permanent URL. I didn't notice it at the time. It han also be found here. I'll try to find a permanent Thomas URL.

UPDATE II: The relevant pages of the Congressional Record can be found in these two PDF files.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; atta; enemywithin; fritzhollings
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1 posted on 08/29/2005 5:43:39 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
In one editorial, two months before the attack, al-Nasiriyah -- a state-run newspaper for the Saddam regime -- managed to name all three attack targets for 9/11. They said that bin Laden had spent his time trying to work out how to bomb the White House, which would happen shortly before destroying the Pentagon. Then, in typically flowery Arabic fashion, the author claims that Americans will "curse the memory of Frank Sinatra", an odd reference -- unless one remembers that "New York, New York" remains Sinatra's signature song. In the event, the attack followed precisely this plan, except in reverse order: the World Trade Center went first, then the Pentagon, and the White House would likely have followed if the heroes of Flight 93 had not caused the terrorists to down the plane in Pennsylvania.

I've been pounding this home for a couple of years now and have it detailed on my list of links about Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Unless we are to believe that Osama just felt like gossiping with Saddam, it's clear that Saddam and his government run newspaper knew exactly what was coming for America.

2 posted on 08/29/2005 5:46:03 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: conservativecorner

Don't forget that a Clinton appointed Federal Judge in Manhatten found Saddam Hussien complicit in the 9-11 attacks to the tune of $300 million.


3 posted on 08/29/2005 5:46:33 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: conservativecorner
The Connection - Part VIII

The Connection - Part VII

The Connection - Part VI

The Connection - Part V

The Connection - Part IV

The Connection - Part III

The Connection - Part II

The Connection

4 posted on 08/29/2005 5:50:32 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Captain Ed = Edward Morrissey


5 posted on 08/29/2005 5:51:59 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Peach
Unless we are to believe that Osama just felt like gossiping with Saddam, it's clear that Saddam and his government run newspaper knew exactly what was coming for America.

Ok. So next step....where's the writer of the paper now, and what does he know?

6 posted on 08/29/2005 5:52:28 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: conservativecorner

BTTT


7 posted on 08/29/2005 5:53:18 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: sam_paine

All information published in Iraq's newspapers pre war were propoganda put out by the government. You probably already know that and I'm repeating myself...I just want it to be clear.

And I don't think anyone knows where he is or if it was even a real name.


8 posted on 08/29/2005 6:03:08 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: conservativecorner
There are many who simply WILL NOT admit any of these connections because it ruins their arguments and the media will not confront the left because it would mean more work on their part and totally destroy the easy anti war story they have and support.
9 posted on 08/29/2005 6:12:03 AM PDT by BallyBill ("That's Commander ChickenHawk to you, hippy!!")
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To: conservativecorner
Also, our troops found a document in the headquarters of the Mukhbarat, the Iraqi intelligence service, listing Osama bin Laden as an operative of their Damascus bureau. That was in Stephen Hayes's The Connection.
10 posted on 08/29/2005 6:13:25 AM PDT by TBP
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To: Peach
All information published in Iraq's newspapers pre war were propoganda put out by the government.

Agreed.

However:

(1) Is it fair to assume that high-ups actually distributed top-secret info from UBL, and then published it in a public, albeit controlled, outlet. The paper was distied outside Iraq, and certainly to the CIA.

(2) Is it fair to assume that no way, no how could the low level monkeys with typewriters would come up with the obvious targets of Whitehouse, Pentagon, and Frank Sinatra on their own?

I mean really, the "new york, new york" thing is a s t r e t c h ! He describes "all things American" from the modern perspective (McDonalds, Rap music, Hollywood, Frank Sinatra...etc.) Don't forget, Frank was enabler for the Jooooos, so he ranks high on their Shiite list....

I mean, if "Frank Sinatra" implies "New York," then "Whitman" implies "Greenpeace," and "Indiana Jones" implies the Indy 500 Raceway.

Not flaming here....just really trying to see if this would withstand the first rebuttle from my lefty friends.

11 posted on 08/29/2005 6:19:27 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Ok. So next step....where's the writer of the paper now, and what does he know?

He's dead...

In in 1998, an Arab intelligence officer, who knows Saddam personally, predicted in Newsweek: "Very soon you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity run by the Iraqis." The Arab official said these terror operations would be run under "false flags" --spook-speak for front groups--including bin Laden's organization.

Then there were the predictions by an Iraqi with ties to Iraqi intelligence, Naeem Abd Mulhalhal, in Qusay's own newspaper several weeks before the attacks that stated bin Laden would “demolish the Pentagon after he destroys the White House and ”bin Laden would strike America “on the arm that is already hurting.” (referencing a second IRAQI sponsored attack on the World Trade Center). Another reference to New York was “[bin Laden] will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra everytime he hears his songs.” (e.g., “New York, New York”) which identified New York, New York as a target. Mulhalhal also stated, “The wings of a dove and the bullet are all but one and the same in the heart of a believer." which references an airplane attack.

The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabic also cited the cooperation between Iraq, bin Laden and Al December 1998 editorial, which predicted that “President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama Bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.” This info is in the link provided below. How could these people have had foreknowledge without Iraq being involved?

Source for this info

Warning...slow loading .pdf file. This was from a lawsuit filed against Iraq after 9/11...the court ruled against Iraq.

There was also another lawsuit filed by the family of John O’Neill (a former FBI agent who captured Ramzi Yousef after the 1993 WTC bombings) after he died in the WTC on 9/11. His personal files from his years of traveling around the world investigating al-Qaeda are were used as evidence in the lawsuit. The evidence includes documents unearthed in the headquarters of the Mukhabarat (Iraq's intelligence service) and information gleaned from the interrogation of both al-Qaeda and Iraqi prisoners. (Link below). It also quotes Vincent Cannistraro, the former CIA counter-terrorism chief, who stated in October 2000 that Iraq had been wanting to carry out terrorist attacks, and that the Iraqi military had been in contact with Osama bin Laden.

Click Here

We know from these IIS documents that beginning in 1992 the former Iraqi regime regarded bin Laden as an Iraqi Intelligence asset. We know from IIS documents that the former Iraqi regime provided safe haven and financial support to an Iraqi who has admitted to mixing the chemicals for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. We know from IIS documents that Saddam Hussein agreed to Osama bin Laden's request to broadcast anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi state-run television. We know from IIS documents that a "trusted confidante" of bin Laden stayed for more than two weeks at a posh Baghdad hotel as the guest of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

Abu Nidal, September 11 and Saddam The terrorist network may be closer knit than we think.

And here's some more "light reading" for you:

Weekly Standard: The Mother of All Connections

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:

Click here

Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:

Click here

The AQ connection (excellent):

Click here

Western Nightmare:

Click here

Saddam's link to OBL:

Click here

NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:

Click here

Document linking them:

Click here

Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:

Click here

A federal judge rules there are links:

Click here

Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:

Click here

Iraq and Iran contact OBL:

Click here

More evidence:

Click here

Saddam's AQ connection:

Click here

Further connections:

Click here

What a court of law said about the connections:

Click here

Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:

Click here

Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)

Click here

Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.

Click here

Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)

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Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)

Click here

The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)

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Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)

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Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):

Click here

Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):

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Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:

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Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:

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Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:

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Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club

Click here

The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:

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Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999

Click here

The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003

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Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:

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No Question About It, National Review, September 2003

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Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View

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Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:

Click here

Free Republic Thread that mentions some books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:

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The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:

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Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003

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September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:

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Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

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Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003

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James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35

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A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:

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Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:

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Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03

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CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:

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Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:

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The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again

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Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002

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The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003

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Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01

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Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:

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Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:

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The Missing Link (What the Senate Ingelligence Report Said about Iraq/AQ Connections) Click Here

Credit to Peach for the above info.

Credit to joesbucks for the following links:

Dozens of links here:

Click here

Just a few of those links include:

The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq. November 4, 1998. The federal indictment:

Click here

Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned. November 1998. The New York Times

Click here

Saddam reaching out to OBL January 1, 1999. Newsweek

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ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections January 14, 1999. ABC News

Click here

Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL. February 6, 1999. The Guardian

Click here

Saddam's Link to OBL February 6, 1999. The Guardian

Click here

Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden February 13, 1999. AP

Click here

And kabar submitted these two little gems showing Bin Laden supported Iraq and its struggle against the US and the West.

1996 Fatwa: "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

1998 Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against America

Not to mention:

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols (OKC) crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11)was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

12 posted on 08/29/2005 6:36:03 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: sam_paine

I understand. This is the article I'd saved about this matter.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1


13 posted on 08/29/2005 6:38:17 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: conservativecorner
Very good get. It is a scary thought that a single word of Fritz Hollins' public career would turn out to be of any use other than a stand-in for Foghorn T. Leghorn.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "NY Post: Better a Bad Story than None as All (Able Danger)"

15 posted on 08/29/2005 6:48:07 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (I'm on the road, now. Contact me at John_Armor@aya.edu.net.)
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To: RepMNT

Lack of evidence is not evidence of no involvement. The president gets pounded when he said there were ties between AQ and Iraq, despite the media writing dozens of articles about the relationship in the 90's.


16 posted on 08/29/2005 6:50:01 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: RepMNT

I see you just signed up today to let us know that the president said there was no involvement between Iraq and 9/11.

Nice play on words and not true.

Why don't you start reading a few things on this thread and educate yourself a little.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts

Funny how even Clinton's Justice Department, when it obtained a federal indictment against Osama, mentioned how Osama and Iraq had an agreement on weapons development. Did you forget that?

Funny how Congressional Democrats insisted on a separate Iraqi war resolution and THEY inserted language in the resolution how it was KNOWN that Al Qaeda worked with Iraq. Did you forget about that?

Funny how the MSM wrote dozens of articles in the 90's about the world's alarm at the growing relationship between Saddam and Osama. Did you forget about that?

All that and more in the link supplied.


17 posted on 08/29/2005 6:53:30 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: ravingnutter
Thanks much for all the links. It's important that we have these as records to the criminal and unconstitutional actions by the Clinton Administration. Isn't there something in the constitution that talks about..."To Protect And Defend From All Enemies Both Foreign And Domestic"?
18 posted on 08/29/2005 7:08:07 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: RepMNT

So, you going to reply to other's comments here, or are you just going to slither off?


19 posted on 08/29/2005 7:10:00 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

They just slither off. I have a list somewhere of two names that have popped up on this exact kind of thread, made one statement and never returned.

Must be metrosexuals if they aren't willing to stand up to a little Peach like me :-)


20 posted on 08/29/2005 7:15:42 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach
Because they post hit and run comments, and can't back up their talking points. Typical. Have you seen this yet? It's priceless.
21 posted on 08/29/2005 7:19:11 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: conservativecorner
the World Trade Center went first, then the Pentagon, and the White House would likely have followed if the heroes of Flight 93 had not caused the terrorists to down the plane in Pennsylvania.

The National Geographic special that aired last week suggested that a captured al qaeda opperative (KSM, if memory serves) said that flight 93 was targeting the U. S. Capital Building. Not that it really matters.

22 posted on 08/29/2005 7:22:48 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Peach

Not trying to defend RepMNT here, s/he is probably a troll worthy of zotting, but the Bush Administration unfortunately does seem more than content on letting the lies regarding Saddam's connection to 9-11 go unchallenged.


23 posted on 08/29/2005 7:33:05 AM PDT by lwd
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To: lwd

I agree they could/should do more about getting the message out.


24 posted on 08/29/2005 7:49:27 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Will check that later...could use a good laugh. Leaving shortly.


25 posted on 08/29/2005 7:50:18 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: sam_paine

I have a few more minutes to answer more completely now.

The article in the July 2001 Iraqi newspaper indicates that America will be hurting on the arm that was hurting. IMO, that means New York and is a reference to the first WTC bombing in '93.

Also, for me anyway, when I think of Frank Sinatra, the only song that comes to mind is New York, New York. If, as an American, that is the song that comes to mind for me, I can well imagine that for foreigners, who would know even less about Sinatra, that is their allusion also.


26 posted on 08/29/2005 8:07:58 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: massgopguy
Don't forget that a Clinton appointed Federal Judge in Manhatten found Saddam Hussien complicit in the 9-11 attacks to the tune of $300 million.

Great. When and where? Where do I find an article on this?

27 posted on 08/29/2005 8:36:13 AM PDT by TBP
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To: ravingnutter

Great work digging up al those links.

Do you know where Zarqawis' organization, which is an Al Qaeda affiliate, was founded? Do you know where its headquarters was before the war?

Answer to both: Baghdad.


28 posted on 08/29/2005 8:40:50 AM PDT by TBP
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To: ravingnutter

Thank you for all the good work you've done in collecting these links.

The last couple of days, I have been pondering the theory that Iraq tried to enlist the Al Qaeda "planes" group for an attack on the RFE/Radio Liberty headquarters in Prague. The Iraqi government could have had contact with the planes group through Ahmed Shakir, who apparently attended the group meeting in Kuala Lumpur in 2000. We know that Mohammed Atta made two trips to Prague in late May - early June 2000. The first was an apparently pointless plane trip - he had no visa to enter the Czech Republic - and Atta could have been scouting out the possibility of using a plane to attack the RFE headquarters.

We also know that Ramzi Binalshibh, the prospective hijacker who couldn't obtain a visa for the U.S., was in Yemen in September - October 2000, and is suspected of having been a participant in the attack against the U.S.S. Cole. Binalshibh, being unable to participate in the U.S. plot, may have been tasked with attacking RFE, either with a plane or a truck bomb. The alleged Atta/Al-Ani meeting occurred on April 9, 2001. Al-Ani, the Iraqi operative in Prague, was thrown out by the Czech government on April 22, 2001. Binalshibh made his last unsuccessful attempt to obtain an entry visa to the U.S. in May, 2001.


29 posted on 08/29/2005 10:54:29 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: lwd

RepMNT - lemme guess, the MN stands for MINNESOTA!

Party line in Minnesota (read Ninnie-apolis) - there was no connection between AQ and Iraq. First commandment in Ninnie-apolis - Thou shalt not deviate from the talking points of DU, MoveOn.org, the DNC, etc.


30 posted on 08/29/2005 11:07:39 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: lwd
"the Bush Administration unfortunately does seem more than content on letting the lies regarding Saddam's connection to 9-11 go unchallenged"

I know, this bothers me a great deal, as I'm sure it does everyone here (except for the occasional DU-troll who spouts the lies). Why isn't this administration doing a far better and far more thorough job in the battle over left-wing propaganda??? The onslaught of the left has reached far into the 'mainstream' of our political life, like a storm surge from a hurricane.... the only good reasons I can think of for the Bush administration to hold their fire are: (1) protecting intel sources (but at some point the serious damage to public perceptions becomes a far greater issue, since the left is making it nearly impossible politically to take other firm steps in the War on Terror, which is their intention); (2) Holding fire until enough of the Demagogic Party has gone on record repeatedly with demonstrably false and stupid statements about Iraq, Bin Laden, and the WOT. Should be easy to permanently discredit just about all of the leadership of the Demagogic Party and much of the MSM by now.....!!! Anyway, I'm sick of seeing the lies of the left adequately countered by people with the prominence and the knowledge to make an effective counter-reply. What's going on?
31 posted on 08/29/2005 11:13:17 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: popdonnelly
The planning for the RFE attack actually began in 1998:

The United States also began broadcasting anti-Hussein messages into Iraq via Radio Free Iraq. The broadcasts were housed in the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty headquarters in Prague. The first broadcast went out on October 30, 1998. The Iraqis were furious and threatened retaliation. On November 8, 1998, a commentator on Iraqi state television insisted the broadcasts would do nothing to affect the "jihad spirit" of the Iraqis. A statement three days later from Saddam's Baath party called on Muslims to be steadfast in the ongoing Mother of All Battles and to undertake "unprecedented heroisms" to fight the Zionists and Crusaders. And then, a call for attacks:

All living capabilities of the Arab nation should be toward the unity of the pan-Arab [world] and toward escalating the struggle to the highest levels of jihad. . . . The escalation of the confrontation and the disclosure of its dimensions and the aggressive intentions now require an organized, planned, influential and conclusive enthusiasm against U.S. interests.

This was not, apparently, just bluster. The Iraqi regime wired $150,000 to an account in Prague, according to Jabir Salim, the man on the receiving end. Salim was the Iraqi station chief in the Czech Republic and with the money he received an order: Recruit a young Islamic radical to blow up the headquarters of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. Salim had difficulty finding someone to commit the martyrdom operation, he told British Intelligence after defecting to the West when the U.S. launched Operation Desert Fox--a series of cruise missile attacks on Iraqi targets--on December 16, 1998. Salim also told interrogators that the Iraq-al Qaeda relationship had intensified after the August 1998 embassy bombings and that the Iraqi Intelligence station in Pakistan served as the hub of Iraq-al Qaeda activity.

The Mother of All Connections - Page 2

In November, Czech Prime Minister Milos Zeman added another element to the story. He said that when Czech intelligence determined Atta had contacted Al-Ani, it raised the “hypothesis” that the purpose of the meeting might be to discuss an attack on the Prague the headquarters for U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

This hypothesis was based on information provided by Jabir Salim in December 1998. Salim, like Al-Ani, had been the Iraq Consul in Prague, and had defected. When debriefed by western intelligence services, he revealed that Iraq had been planning a car bombing of Radio Free Europe. So when al-Ani took Salim’s place at the Iraq Embassy, Czech intelligence assumed that he might be continuing that mission, which accounted for the surveillance on al-Ani.

Source

32 posted on 08/29/2005 11:33:54 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Enchante; popdonnelly
Hmmmm...I don't know about this source (and oddly enough, this is from Sept 2001) but...

The German authorities have established that Atta telephoned and met bin Laden associates living or passing through Germany. The nature of the German evidence for this is still unclear. Atta was a careful user of the telephone, walking to call centres and public booths rather than using his own phone. The CIA says, however, that it tracked him [Atta]on a buying spree in Frankfurt between January and May 2000 as he purchased chemicals essential to making bombs.

Atta and another hijacker, Mawan al-Shehhi, had contacts with Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian businessman, who has had his financial assets frozen by the Bush Administration. Mr Darkazanli, an exporter based in Hamburg, had power of attorney over the German account of Mamduhu Mahmud Salim, who the United States believes is the European financial chief of the bin Laden group.

Mr Salim was arrested in Munich in 1998 on a US warrant and extradited to America, where he is awaiting trial on charges of membership of a terrorist organisation as well as the attempted murder of a prison guard.

Mr Darkazanli was not answering his telephone yesterday and his small office was closed. He has, however, denied terrorist involvement and the German authorities have not issued an arrest warrant. Mr Darkazanli has admitted knowing Atta and since the businessman's name is on Mr Salim's bank documents, police believe they have made at least a tentative connection.

The International Post

33 posted on 08/29/2005 11:41:49 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks, I'm familiar with this. RFE moved to Prague in 1998. The Iraqis evidently weren't too smart in hiding their intentions. I'm hoping more evidence will come out.


34 posted on 08/29/2005 11:44:14 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: conservativecorner
A picture is worth a thousand words.


35 posted on 08/29/2005 11:49:16 AM PDT by jpl
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To: ravingnutter

Mamoun Darkazanli was an Al Qaeda financier also linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. US intel has foolishly regarded Muslim Brotherhood as somehow less radical and has not pursued them with vigor. Both Mohammed Atta and his scumbag father are said to go way back with Muslim Brotherhood, which like Al Qaeda dreams of a world-wide 'Caliphate' of Islamo-fascist rule.


http://www.madcowprod.com/11052004issue.html

http://www.madcowprod.com/Darkaz.htm

“Darkazanli, 44… is identified by intelligence officials in Hamburg as a longtime member of the Syrian wing of the ultra-radical Muslim Brotherhood…”

“Darkazanli nevertheless has a history of associations with high-level Al Qaeda figures going back at least to 1993, the year he told police he first met Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, described by U.S. prosecutors as a "founding member" of Al Qaeda who once tried to acquire nuclear weapons for Osama bin Laden. In 1995, police files show, Darkazanli opened a joint bank account in Hamburg with Salim, who allegedly specialized in setting up bin Laden-owned companies in Sudan… At the time of his arrest Salim had Darkazanli's number programmed into his cell phone.”


36 posted on 08/29/2005 11:56:17 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: ravingnutter; Peach; Fedora; Grampa Dave; STARWISE; justshutupandtakeit; Lancey Howard; Howlin; ...

Darkazanli is linked to not only Atta's cell but to Mamdouh Mahmud Salim and Wadi el-Hage, two TOP Al Qaeda dudes. Salim is the low-life who stabbed a prison guard in the eye with a sharpened comb in NYC..... none of these people should still be breathing good air.


http://www.madcowprod.com/Darkaz.htm

Darkazanli nevertheless has a history of associations with high-level Al Qaeda figures going back at least to 1993, the year he told police he first met Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, described by U.S. prosecutors as a "founding member" of Al Qaeda who once tried to acquire nuclear weapons for Osama bin Laden.

In 1995, police files show, Darkazanli opened a joint bank account in Hamburg with Salim, who allegedly specialized in setting up bin Laden-owned companies in Sudan. Darkazanli told the police the account had been created for the purchase of a radio transmitter to be shipped to Sudan, where bin Laden then had his headquarters.

Cell phone link to bin Laden

Bin Laden was expelled by the Sudanese and fled to Afghanistan before the deal could be completed. Salim was arrested in Munich in 1998 at the request of the U.S., which had charged him with conspiring "to kill Americans worldwide." At the time of his arrest Salim had Darkazanli's number programmed into his cell phone.

Salim is awaiting trial in New York on charges of attempted murder, stemming from an attack on a prison guard with a sharpened comb.

"I only had business relations with those people," Darkazanli told the police, referring to Salim and another former top bin Laden associate, Wadi el-Hage, serving a life sentence in the U.S. for the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.


37 posted on 08/29/2005 12:06:57 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

Got to keep two different Salim names separate (but are they related to each other??): there is Jabir Salim who worked for IRAQ and there is Mamdouh Mahmud Salim who is unquestionably AL QAEDA.... both are linked to Mamoun Darkazanli!! But are they also linked to each other??


38 posted on 08/29/2005 12:14:22 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: ravingnutter

Mamdouh Mahmud Salim was born in..... IRAQ!!

http://profilesinterror.mindswap.org/;http://counterterror.mindswap.org/2005/terrorists.owl/Mamdouh_Mahmud_Salim

How recently did he live in Iraq, and what are his possible ties to Saddam's intel agencies, etc.?? He is a MAJOR Al Qaeda figure....


39 posted on 08/29/2005 12:17:57 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: conservativecorner

BTTT


40 posted on 08/29/2005 12:20:20 PM PDT by lunarbicep (praying for our Gulf coast neighbors)
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To: Enchante
Lots of info on Mamoun Darkazanli at Cooperative Research

There is also a link on that page to this info:

The 9/11 Congressional Inquiry's final report concludes that at least six hijackers received “substantial assistance” from associates in the US, though it's “not known to what extent any of these contacts in the United States were aware of the plot.” These hijackers came into contact with at least 14 people who were investigated by the FBI before 9/11, and four of those investigations were active while the hijackers were present. But in June 2002, FBI Director Mueller testified: “While here, the hijackers effectively operated without suspicion, triggering nothing that would have alerted law enforcement and doing nothing that exposed them to domestic coverage. As far as we know, they contacted no known terrorist sympathizers in the United States.” CIA Director Tenet made similar comments at the same time, and another FBI official stated, “[T]here were no contacts with anybody we were looking at inside the United States.” These comments are untrue, because one FBI document from November 2001 uncovered by the Inquiry concludes that the six lead hijackers “maintained a web of contacts both in the United States and abroad. These associates, ranging in degrees of closeness, include friends and associates from universities and flight schools, former roommates, people they knew through mosques and religious activities, and employment contacts. Other contacts provided legal, logistical, or financial assistance, facilitated US entry and flight school enrollment, or were known from [al-Qaeda]-related activities or training.” [9/11 Congressional Inquiry, 7/24/03] The declassified sections of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry's final report show the hijackers have contact with:

Mamoun Darkazanli, investigated several times starting in 1991; the CIA makes repeated efforts to turn him into an informer

Mohammed Haydar Zammar, investigated by Germany since at least 1997, the Germans periodically inform the CIA what they learn Osama Basnan, US intelligence is informed of his connections to Islamic militants several times in early 1990s but fails to investigate

Omar al-Bayoumi, investigated in San Diego from 1998-1999

Anwar Al Aulaqi, investigated in San Diego from 1999-2000 Osama “Sam” Mustafa, owner of a San Diego gas station, and investigated beginning in 1991

Ed Salamah, manager of the same gas station, and an uncooperative witness in 2000

An unnamed friend of Hani Hanjour, whom the FBI tries to investigate in 2001

An unnamed associate of Marwan Alshehhi, investigated beginning in 1999

Hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, who had contact with Basnan, al-Bayoumi, Aulaqi, Mustafa, and Salamah, “maintained a number of other contacts in the local Islamic community during their time in San Diego, some of whom were also known to the FBI through counterterrorist inquiries and investigations,” but details of these individuals and possible others are still classified. [9/11 Congressional Inquiry, 7/24/03]

None of the above people have been arrested or even publicly charged with any crime associated with terrorism, although Zammar is in prison in Syria.

Cooperative Research

Yikes!

41 posted on 08/29/2005 12:22:46 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Enchante

3) Mamdouh Mahmud Salim: “An Iraqi, Salim was born in 1958 and established links between al-Qaida and groups in Iraq and Lebanon.” “It is believed that Salim cofounded al-Qaida.” “Salim is not accused of a direct role in the embassy bombings, but he is charged with terror conspiracy charges that could bring a life sentence.” “He is also accused of managing Wadi Aqiq, bin Laden's umbrella company that procured communications equipment and conventional weapons for the organization.” Some...as in other Al Qaeda members know him as “Abu Hajer al Iraqi”. “Sure, he told them, he worked for Osama bin Laden—but only as a salaried employee managing bin Laden’s Sudanese agricultural business.” “Moreover, in the mid-nineties, the Iraq-born Salim supposedly put his knowledge and his nationality to use as Al Qaeda’s liaison to Iraqi intelligence.” “Indictment of Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, January 6, 1999”.

http://karmicommunist.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_karmicommunist_archive.html

http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Biographies/Bios/Salim/BioSalim.html

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/01/28/salim.trial/

http://www.nymetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/columns/citypolitic/n_8454/

http://jya.com/alqfiles.htm


42 posted on 08/29/2005 12:24:17 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante
Mamoun Darkazanli was arrested, but was released in July 2005 due to a legal loophole.

I will see what I can find on Salim/Salim/Darkazanli...

43 posted on 08/29/2005 12:39:28 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Enchante; AlwaysFree
Note: I pinged AlwaysFree because his/her page came up in a search on this subject. Seems Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim had an alias:

Another facilitator of the relationship during the mid-1990s was Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim (a.k.a. Abu Hajer al-Iraqi). Abu Hajer, now in a New York prison, was described in court proceedings related to the August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania as bin Laden's "best friend." According to CIA reporting dating back to the Clinton administration, bin Laden trusted him to serve as a liaison with Saddam's regime and tasked him with procurement of weapons of mass destruction for al Qaeda. FBI reporting in the memo reveals that Abu Hajer "visited Iraq in early 1995" and "had a good relationship with Iraqi intelligence. Sometime before mid-1995 he went on an al Qaeda mission to discuss unspecified cooperation with the Iraqi government."

This could get confusing...another Salim comes up on that page, Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed:

Reporting from a well placed source disclosed that bin Laden was receiving training on bomb making from the IIS's [Iraqi Intelligence Service] principal technical expert on making sophisticated explosives, Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed. Brigadier Salim was observed at bin Laden's farm in Khartoum in Sept.-Oct. 1995 and again in July 1996, in the company of the Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti.

More on Shakir on that page too...check out the bold part...

He was arrested in Doha, Qatar, on September 17, 2001. He had been employed by the Qatari government in its Ministry of Religious Development. Authorities found what Newsweek's Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman described as a "treasure trove": contact information--both on Shakir and back at his apartment--for several high-ranking al Qaeda terrorists. They include: Zaid Sheikh Mohammed, brother of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed; Musab Yasin, brother of Abdul Rahman Yasin, the Iraqi who participated in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; Abu Hajer al Iraqi, the Iraqi national alleged to have been Osama bin Laden's "best friend"; and Ibrahim Suleiman, a Kuwaiti native whose fingerprints were found on the bombmaking manuals authorities say were used in preparation for the 1993 Trade Center bombing. We also know that in January 1993, shortly before the first attack on the World Trade Center, Shakir had received a phone call later traced to the New Jersey safehouse that served as the headquarters for that operation.

Source

44 posted on 08/29/2005 12:58:35 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Enchante

This is amazing ! Many thanks for the ping.


45 posted on 08/29/2005 1:04:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Enchante
both are linked to Mamoun Darkazanli

I can't seem to find anything of relevance on a search of "Jabir Salim, Mamoun Darkazanli"...are you sure? I also could not find any direct connection between Jabir and Mahmud.

46 posted on 08/29/2005 1:14:32 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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Darkazanli was reportedly the entree to radical networks for Mohammed Haydar Zammar, said to be the 'recruiter' who put together the 9/11 "Hamburg cell" -- Darkazanli is apparently still free due to the idiocy of German law, and Zammar is said to have been handed over to Syria (presumably because he was originally from Syria) -- but can Syria really be trusted to have done any serious interrogation with this guy, or are they just 'hosting' him the way they host Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc.?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64793-2002Sep10.html

"By his late teens, Zammar had established a relationship with radical Muslims through Mamoun Darkazanli, a fellow Syrian, whom U.S. authorities have identified as an al Qaeda financier. Darkazanli is still living in Hamburg and is under investigation, but German officials say they do not have enough evidence to arrest him. He denies involvement with al Qaeda or the Sept. 11 plot."
47 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:05 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: ravingnutter

Sorry, I'm not sure where I got that, I'm reviewing all my links and info.....

fyi, if anyone on this thread has a technical aptitude beyond mine, this article looks very interesting for explaining a project in "link analysis" studying Al Qaeda relationships:

http://www.cs.queensu.ca/home/skill/alqaeda.pdf

Perhaps we could develope a freeper version of ABLE DANGER, pooling together all the research efforts here and then crunching data.... but I don't know if a super-computer would be required or what would be involved to get a program of "link analysis"..... we would hope that federal agencies would be doing this sort of thing, but since ABLE DANGER was canceled out of lawyerly fears it may be that none of this is going on in the intel agencies.


48 posted on 08/29/2005 1:42:04 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: massgopguy
Don't forget that a Clinton appointed Federal Judge in Manhattan found Saddam Hussein complicit in the 9-11 attacks to the tune of $300 million.

That's right! I'd forgotten that. Do you have a link to a story somewhere that chronicles that? I have a group of liberals who need to see that.

49 posted on 08/29/2005 1:45:47 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Enchante

I do appreciate the continued pings. So much is being brought out, some repetive but never the less important. I continue to book mark, and of course wade through what all are saying.


50 posted on 08/29/2005 2:03:48 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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