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Israel plans triple-fencing of Gaza after pullout
Reuters ^ | 7-28-05

Posted on 07/28/2005 12:47:02 PM PDT by SJackson

Matt Spetalnick

URIM, Israel (Reuters) - Israel is rushing to complete a three-layer-deep barrier of fences and walls on its border with Gaza to keep Palestinian infiltrators out after it pulls out of the territory, military officials said on Thursday.

The army insists that, unlike Israel's internationally condemned West Bank barrier, the new project will not cut into Palestinian land. But the Palestinian Authority said such Israeli measures could keep Gaza sealed up like a giant prison.

The plan calls for adding two new fences parallel to the border fence that already surrounds the Gaza Strip and putting up seven-metre (23-foot)-high concrete walls in several places, a senior official said. He put the cost at $220 million (125 million pounds).

Israel is beefing up its border defences to compensate for losing its military presence in Gaza after it removes all 21 Jewish settlements from the occupied strip in mid-August.

Security officials worry that even after the withdrawal, Gaza militants will try to infiltrate gunmen and suicide bombers into the Jewish state and fire rockets across the border.

"Our purpose is to protect our citizens and soldiers. We have seen ... that we need something other than the existing fence to have security," the senior official told reporters.

He said, however, that even the triple fencing of Gaza might not be enough to stop militant attacks, and the army might have to mount incursions back into Gaza after the pullout. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has billed the withdrawal as "disengagement" from conflict with the Palestinians.

"Instead of building bridges with the Palestinians, Israel insists on building walls and fences of suffocation," said Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat.

Echoing Palestinian concerns, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said last week the United States wanted to make sure Israel did not keep Gaza isolated after its withdrawal.

LESSONS FROM LEBANON

The military official said Israel had learned lessons from its Lebanon withdrawal in 2000, when it left a single fence line where the army has clashed regularly with Hizbollah guerrillas.

The army is putting up two new fences that will extend about 60 km (37 miles) along its entire border with Gaza, he said.

One, made of metal and razor wire, is being installed a few dozen metres (yards) closer to the Gaza boundary line than the existing electronic fence, the official said.

The other, embedded with sensors and equipped with surveillance cameras, watchtowers and remote-control machinegun emplacements, will lie 70 to 150 metres east of the existing border fence on the Israeli side, he said.

A one-km (half-mile)-long wall will be erected on Israel's border with north Gaza and two smaller walls will be built where Israeli towns are vulnerable to Palestinian gunfire, he said.

Israel has said it will keep control of Gaza's air and sea space after the pullout for security reasons, although troops are expected to leave the boundary with Egypt.

Palestinians welcome any withdrawal but fear Israel is trading tiny Gaza, where 8,500 settlers live isolated from 1.4 million Palestinians, for a tighter hold on the occupied West Bank, where the majority of 240,000 settlers live.

The World Court has declared Israel's West Bank barrier illegal for intruding on occupied land. Israel says the planned 600-km (370-mile)-long structure keeps out suicide bombers. Palestinians call it a grab for land they claim for a state.

"The new fence is in our own territory," the senior official said of the Gaza barrier. He said the fencing would be finished by October and all of the infrastructure by mid-2006.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: goodfence; israel; securitybarrier
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1 posted on 07/28/2005 12:47:02 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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2 posted on 07/28/2005 12:47:35 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: SJackson

Since our foreign aid money is helping to pay for this triple-fencing, maybe some money should be used to triple-fence our own southern border.


3 posted on 07/28/2005 12:50:29 PM PDT by w6ai5q37b (There's no such thing as "free trade." Nothing in life is free.)
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To: SJackson

Didn't the Israeli's ask the US to pay for the settlement withdrawl?

Did we agree?


4 posted on 07/28/2005 12:50:33 PM PDT by Dolphan (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: SJackson
Echoing Palestinian concerns, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said last week

The policy of "Israel's best friend ever" is to echo the "Palestinians".

5 posted on 07/28/2005 12:51:50 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: SJackson
Israeli measures could keep Gaza sealed up like a giant prison.

Memo to President and Congress:

We, the Citizens, demand one also. OK, skip the machine guns but pre-wire for expansion if needed.

6 posted on 07/28/2005 12:54:06 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SJackson

Israel's new National Bird?

7 posted on 07/28/2005 12:56:45 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Dolphan
US Aid for the Expulsion May Backfire on Israel
8 posted on 07/28/2005 12:56:51 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: SJackson

Good fences make good neighbors.


9 posted on 07/28/2005 12:58:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: ncountylee
Memo to President and Congress: We, the Citizens, demand one also. OK, skip the machine guns but pre-wire for expansion if needed.

We already have a perfectly good fence :<(

10 posted on 07/28/2005 1:02:02 PM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: SJackson
Israel plans triple-fencing of Gaza after pullout

No bias in that title, eh?

11 posted on 07/28/2005 1:06:38 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: w6ai5q37b
"Since our foreign aid money is helping to pay for this triple-fencing, maybe some money should be used to triple-fence our own southern border."

Triple fencing our southern border would cost a bit more than "some money".

Also just a fence isn't of much use. You need all the sensors and patrols as well. Fences by themselves just slow people down a bit.

Surveillance equipment and sensors will require expensive maintenance in areas far from civilization. It's a lot of area to patrol as well.

A fence has some benefit in some areas, but what does it really give us that the remote surveillance we're deploying? Wouldn't the money be better spent on manpower to respond when the surveillance equipment detects people than building huge fences?
12 posted on 07/28/2005 1:09:22 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: SJackson
"The army insists that, unlike Israel's internationally condemned West Bank barrier, the new project will not cut into Palestinian land. But the Palestinian Authority said such Israeli measures could keep Gaza sealed up like a giant prison."

Israel does not surround Gaza. A wall between Gaza and Israel cannot imprision people in Gaza.

""Instead of building bridges with the Palestinians, Israel insists on building walls and fences of suffocation," said Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat."

It's kind of hard to build bridges with people who's professed goal it the extermination of your race.

You're options are to keep them from harming you by keeping them away, or killing them. Israel has shown amazing restraint by continuing to go with the first option despite the continued attacks on their people.

"The World Court has declared Israel's West Bank barrier illegal for intruding on occupied land. Israel says the planned 600-km (370-mile)-long structure keeps out suicide bombers. Palestinians call it a grab for land they claim for a state."

The World Court is a bad joke. It has no real authority over Israel. It condemns Israel for building a defensive structure partially on land captured in a war in which they we defending themselves from an invading army. At the same time they are silent on the acts of terrorism against the civilian population of Israel and the support of the terrorist committing the atrocities by other countries in the Middle East.
13 posted on 07/28/2005 1:10:26 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: SJackson

When they get done, would they come over here and put up a 23 foot high concrete fence along the U.S. - Mexico border? That would sure be more effective than the 4 strands of barbed wire we have now.

Got to hand it to the Israelis, they know how to do fences.


14 posted on 07/28/2005 1:17:07 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Dolphan

> Didn't the Israeli's ask the US to pay for the settlement
> withdrawl?

Help pay a portion, yes.

> Did we agree?

No


15 posted on 07/28/2005 1:25:35 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: untrained skeptic
""Instead of building bridges with the Palestinians, Israel insists on building walls and fences of suffocation," said Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat."

To echo your point, see this thread.

16 posted on 07/28/2005 1:30:00 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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But the Palestinian Authority said such Israeli measures could keep Gaza sealed up like a giant prison.

If you act like a million mad dogs, consider yourselves lucky if you only get kenneled.

17 posted on 07/28/2005 1:30:42 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: untrained skeptic
Fences by themselves just slow people down a bit.

Mine fields in between the fences will slow them down a bit more.

18 posted on 07/28/2005 1:31:37 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: untrained skeptic
Triple fencing our southern border would cost a bit more than "some money".

Illegal aliens reportedly cost Americans $41 billion annually. A four lane highway costs about $13 million/mile. If we invest the same amount we'd spend on a four lane highway to construct and secure 2000 miles of the southern border, it'd pay for itself in eight months.

Eight months.

Any business person who's worth one single damn knows an investment that'll pay for itself in under a year is a no brainer. A border barrier couldn't be built fast enough if I were calling the shots.

19 posted on 07/28/2005 1:33:24 PM PDT by azhenfud (This tagline is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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To: KarlInOhio
could keep Gaza sealed up like a giant prison.

The correct analogy is "a giant insane asylum for criminal psychopaths".

20 posted on 07/28/2005 1:33:48 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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