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The UFO Phenomenon - Seeing Is Believing (Peter Jennings tonight - Live Thread)
ABC News ^ | Feb. 24, 2005

Posted on 02/24/2005 3:55:40 PM PST by traumer

Almost 50 percent of Americans, according to recent polls, and millions of people elsewhere in the world believe that UFOs are real. For many it is a deeply held belief.

For decades there have been sightings of UFOs by millions and millions of people. It is a mystery that only science can solve, and yet the phenomenon remains largely unexamined. Most of the reporting on this subject by the mainstream media holds those who claim to have seen UFOs up to ridicule.

On Feb. 24, "Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" takes a fresh look at the UFO phenomenon. "As a journalist," says Jennings, "I began this project with a healthy dose of skepticism and as open a mind as possible. After almost 150 interviews with scientists, investigators and with many of those who claim to have witnessed unidentified flying objects, there are important questions that have not been completely answered — and a great deal not fully explained."

"Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" airs Thursday, Feb. 24 from 8-10 p.m. ET on ABC. The program will be broadcast in High Definition.

This two-hour primetime special reports on the entire scope of the UFO experience — from the first famous sighting by Kenneth Arnold in 1947 to the present day. The program draws on interviews with police officers, pilots, military personnel, scientists and ordinary citizens who give extraordinary accounts of encounters with the unexplained. Also included are the voices of professional skeptics about UFOs, including scientists who are leading the search for life forms beyond Earth elsewhere in the universe.

The program explores the facts behind the enduring mystery of the incident at Roswell, N.M., and looks into the strange stories of alien abductions. Among the UFO cases presented:

Minot Air Force Base, N.D., October 1968 — Sixteen airmen on the ground and the crew of an airborne B-52 witness a massive unidentified object hovering near the base.

Phoenix, March 1997 — Hundreds witness a huge triangular craft moving slowly over the city.

St. Clair County, Ill., January 2000 — Police officers in five adjoining towns all independently report witnessing a giant craft with multiple bright lights moving silently across the sky at a very low altitude.

Today if you report a UFO to the U.S. government you will be informed that the Air Force conducted a 22-year investigation that ended in 1969 and concluded that UFOs are not a threat to national security and are of no scientific interest. But as one of the world's leading theoretical physicists says in the program, "You simply cannot dismiss the possibility that some of these UFO sightings are actually sightings from some object created by … a civilization perhaps millions of years ahead of us in technology."

"Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" is produced by PJ Productions and Springs Media for ABC News. Mark Obenhaus and Tom Yellin are the executive producers.


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To: Frank_Discussion

Oky, just went through the SETI bir. The usual strawmans about "We'll have evidence so we're better than ufologists!", which has nothing at ALL to do with what most serious ufologists do, which is look for evidence. Some clowns and con-men in ufology, yes, but not all, and I don't even think it's typical. But it doesn't keep the SETI folks from acting typically elitist.

Oops, back to the tape! Roswell!


661 posted on 02/24/2005 9:14:35 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Quix
All I can say is, if someone presents a supposed alien life form to me, that can communicate with us and attempts to "better mankind", my first thought will be it is more likely the anti-Christ, than an actual alien being. If there is a current conspiracy, that is probably it.
662 posted on 02/24/2005 9:14:59 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: SalukiLawyer

Lots of mutilations have had virtually immediate investigation by skilled vets and investigators very thoroughly.

And, in every such case, the experts assert that they have no conventional explanation to offer AT ALL. They typically want to avoid as much publicity as possible because they fear reprisal of some kind. But they are adament that there is no conventional explanation.


663 posted on 02/24/2005 9:16:27 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
When I invited my psych class to view the program tonight, one student stayed after.

She had grown up on the farm ajacent to the farm where a cattle mutilation had occurred with--I believe a large craft--huge cigar shape, I think. I forget. Anyway--there were 8 cattle involved--typical organ removal and NO--ABSOLUTELY NO blood left in the cattle nor on the ground. None.

AND NO TRACKS of any kind other than the cattle to the site where they were abducted.

How would you explain that?

I would ask lots of questions. For example:

  1. How many people saw the UFO allegedly responsible for the mutilations? (Note that I'm granting, for the sake of the argument, that some mutilations occurred, although I'd probably press on that issue, too, if I were actually talking to the person reporting the story.)
  2. If there were witnesses to the UFO itself, were they drunk or otherwise intoxicated at the time?
  3. At what stage in the life cycle of the cattle mutilation story did this particular incident occur? That is, were cattle mutilations 'all the rage' at the time, were they all over the news and being talked about? (This bears on the issue of whether a few local guys and/or gals might have been motivated to mutilate some cattle in order to get their jollies and a little local press attention.)

That's just a small sampling of the questions I would ask.

664 posted on 02/24/2005 9:17:07 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Golden Eagle

My view, as well.


665 posted on 02/24/2005 9:17:18 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Hodar
...ONLY Earth has intelligent life,...

If there is intelligent life it MUST be elsewhere.

666 posted on 02/24/2005 9:17:36 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Quix
Sometimes people on the ground see us but most of the time they see nothing at all. Anyway, we are shape shifters and can read peoples' minds albeit too cleverly for anyone to know. Ooops! I just let the cow run out the barn door. Please forgive . . . ZZZZAAAPPPP ! . . . . sound of smoke drifting upwards and crackling of burning bones.
667 posted on 02/24/2005 9:19:01 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Quix

Thanks. Hope to catch up with you again.


668 posted on 02/24/2005 9:20:16 PM PST by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Will see what I can find out. I have no doubt at all about the mutilation aspect. It was UFO ET and/or government with UFO type craft. Absolutely no other thing fits.

There were large His panic families on both farms, as I recall. They were not drunk at all. It was early in the phenomena. I don't know how much publicity.

I am a bit fuzzy on the sighting of the UFO. I may be mixing stories up on that score.

But even for your own mind, I suspect you have not begun to explain away NO blood and NO tracks to the site of the left carcases.


669 posted on 02/24/2005 9:20:41 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: ex-Texan

Cute.


670 posted on 02/24/2005 9:22:32 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Golden Eagle

Thanks. Cheers. Likewise.

Heading to bed shortly myself, I think. Tired.


671 posted on 02/24/2005 9:23:10 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: My2Cents
My UFO sighting lasted a few seconds. Once I got a recognizable view, it was an AWACS landing.

(Rear, oblique, near an airfield where Raytheon has a facility, just before dusk.)

672 posted on 02/24/2005 9:23:29 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: snarks_when_bored
For how many hours had you been awake before lying down to rest or sleep?

I don't remember, but it was unusual for me to take a nap in the daytime.

Had you ingested any intoxicants or medications before the episode began?

No.

Did you know that the kids were playing video games before your experience began? Were the games audible from upstairs?

I didn't know, but it is not impossible that I might have heard some general hilarity or excitement... but, like I said, it would not have been a bad guess in any event.

Had you had an 'out of body' experience before? Or had you read a lot about them? Or did you have a long-standing interest in hearing and talking about them?

No, I hadn't had one before (nor since) but I think it is important that I had read quite a bit about them and thought it was interesting. That's kind of what I meant about not using the "mental furniture" of alien abduction. I just wasn't interested in aliens, really, but was interested in out of body experiences. That's why I supposed that, if it was a sort of lucid dream, my unconscious would supply me with images consistent with an OOBE, and a robed figure leading me back, rather than an alien.

Even admitting this, however, it is difficult for me to really accept the rational explanation that is at odds with the vividly experienced "paranormal" event, simply because the immediate impression was so profound, compared to my later rational dissection of it.

Just as, I imagine, many abductees really, truly believe they have been abducted. So, did I have an OOBE or not? I dunno :-) The rational explanation might perfectly satisfy you, or anyone else. All I know that it was as "real" as anything else that ever happened to me. So, although it is ironic, I doubt that I am the best judge of what happened to me :-) Which is also why I am both sympathetic and skeptical when it comes to abductions.
673 posted on 02/24/2005 9:28:14 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (12" Powerbook, Airport, surfing FR anywhere I want to)
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To: Quix
Thanks . . . Just kidding, really. But some really take it seriously:

Presidents as shape shifters

674 posted on 02/24/2005 9:30:03 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Quix
I have no doubt at all about the mutilation aspect. It was UFO ET and/or government with UFO type craft. Absolutely no other thing fits.

This worries me a bit, because just below this you write:

I am a bit fuzzy on the sighting of the UFO. I may be mixing stories up on that score.

If even you admit that you're perhaps mixing up stories, how could you possibly be sure that "[i]t was UFO ET and/or government with UFO type craft"?

I don't think you can.

But even for your own mind, I suspect you have not begun to explain away NO blood and NO tracks to the site of the left carcases.

You saw for yourself, or talked to multiple reliable eyewitnesses who reported, that there was "NO blood and NO tracks to the site of the left carcas[s]es"? I'd want some sort of proof of that this was the case.

In general, I try to stop myself from rushing headlong into believing things for which there's no evidence at all. I may not always succeed, but I'm always making the effort.

Best regards...

675 posted on 02/24/2005 9:30:31 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Quix

Just watched the Roswell segment. *sigh* A person doesn't have to be a "true believer" to know that the "Mogul" explanation doesn't cut it, and the producers couldn't bring themselves to touch the "high altitude dummy" mistaken aliens. I don't know what happened at Roswell, but the military STILL hasn't told the truth. It's really quite insulting.

Back to the tape...


676 posted on 02/24/2005 9:30:51 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Frank_Discussion

Naw ..their explaination makes sense.What always gets me is that there has been 1000 different shapes to these crafts..Cigars, saucers, triangles..So..are people saying there are 100s of different alien forms or the same type with a million different shaped craft ....Just no HARD evidence as yet for any of it ...


677 posted on 02/24/2005 9:35:13 PM PST by hineybona
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To: Quix
Lots of mutilations have had virtually immediate investigation by skilled vets and investigators very thoroughly

Okay, it's late, and you've done yeoman service tonight in the service of your cause :-) But at some point Freepmail me just the one very best episode of mutilated cattle you know about so I can expand my facts horizon, if you don't mind too much. I'm sincerely curious.
678 posted on 02/24/2005 9:36:41 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (12" Powerbook, Airport, surfing FR anywhere I want to)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I know my students very well.

And, as a therapist with thousands of hours of group and individual/marriage and family therapy under my belt, one has to learn some skills in assessing truthfulness or not.

And my professors and supervisors asserted that I was among the quickest and best they'd ever seen on those scores.


679 posted on 02/24/2005 9:36:41 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Frank_Discussion

Absolutely right. The Mogul thing was an insult for sure. I was almost embarrassed for the idiotic Air Force stooges having to foist that on the public. What a joke.
A hideous joke.


680 posted on 02/24/2005 9:37:49 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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