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STATE OF THE UNION -- 2005 [Live Thread]
2/2/05

Posted on 02/02/2005 3:43:44 PM PST by Timeout

The pre-spin: Bush will spend about 1/2 the speech on foreign policy, 1/2 on domestic, with heavy emphasis on Social Security reform. It's said he will provide a detailed tutorial on the SS system and its problems with a few details on his personal accounts proposal.

Laura's guests are said to be an Afghan voter and an Iraqi voter (too bad there's no Ukrainian wearing an orange hat!).

Should we start a drinking game on how many times the pool camera swings to Hillary? Hmmm. Probably not...it would likely hamper out typing ability.

Word on the blogs has it that the closing part of the speech is a hum-dinger. Set your VCR's.

Report here on outrageous MediaCrat spin before AND after the SOTU. Pictures and screen caps welcome.


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To: Torie
"If the Bush plan involves temporary workers filling slots no one will accept where the minimum wage is offered, while the prevailing wage is materially higher for such jobs, than I will lash out. "

How can the prevailing wage be higher for jobs no one will accept?

I've lived in both union shop states and free states. The mentality of union members is incredibly socialistic.

In free states, a man's labor is his to sell for as much as he can get for it or as little as he is willing to take for it.

Experience, training, ability, age, skills, attitude, race, appearances, language, religion, personality, and, yes, also immigration status factor into the amount a man can get for his labor in a free state.

Illegals sell their labor for as much as they can just like everyone else. A skilled bodyman, mechanic, or bricklayer can command high wages regardless of his immigration status.

The only people working for minimum wages are the unskilled or untrained, whether they are illegal, legal or citizens.

4,321 posted on 02/02/2005 9:12:03 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Timeout
They are utterly and completely clueless, Timeout.

They are sinking in quicksand, and don't even know it.

I'll bet the President gets a kick out of it, at least some of the time. He's building a Republican majority that will last decades because of their abject stupidity.

But that's OK........ I don't mind. :o)

4,322 posted on 02/02/2005 9:12:18 PM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: pnz1

I think California State Employees have their own plan....and it is treated as a political slush fund (somewhat ) by the DemonicRat's.

On the Federal they have private ?Savings account in addition to a pension, don't know more details than that.

Guess I need to ask my brother.


4,323 posted on 02/02/2005 9:13:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: ohioWfan
THE VOTE WAS FAIR IN OHIO, SO SHUT UP ALREADY YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!

.....DUM-o-cRATS!

4,324 posted on 02/02/2005 9:13:54 PM PST by luvie ("THE ROAD OF PROVIDENCE IS UNEVEN AND UNPREDICTABLE-YET WE KNOW...IT LEADS TO FREEDOM!"GWB 2-2-05)
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To: daybreakcoming

I haven't been reading all of your exchanges on the Noonan article, but if I could just give my 2 cents.....I've always liked her okay, but that article just seemed petty and showed a hint of jealously on her part, imo, for not being involved in the speech. And, I agree with you about giving ammo to the dems. It just seemed spiteful to me.


4,325 posted on 02/02/2005 9:14:06 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: FreeReign; Joe Hadenuf
So.........I'm going to bed. I'll check back in the morning for Joe's answer.

I'm sure it will be there........

4,326 posted on 02/02/2005 9:14:40 PM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: jveritas; Joe Hadenuf
"Man you cannot stop making an a** of yourself, can you? You are a dangerously hateful, racist, and bitter man."

You sound far more "over-the-top" to me than Joe!!! Why don'tchew go take a Valium and call me in the morning??? (there! how's that for snarky?)

4,327 posted on 02/02/2005 9:15:10 PM PST by SierraWasp (al-Najr, 38, after casting a ballot for the first time in his life. "I get to say I'm human now.")
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To: No Blue States

I actually don't think he is. I think maybe he and Michael were switched somehow!


4,328 posted on 02/02/2005 9:15:17 PM PST by luvie ("THE ROAD OF PROVIDENCE IS UNEVEN AND UNPREDICTABLE-YET WE KNOW...IT LEADS TO FREEDOM!"GWB 2-2-05)
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To: bayourod

Supply and demand involves the number of available bodies. The low wage jobs in American are under great wage pressure, in large part due to illegal immigration. The standard in living in that group would have slid over the last 20 years to unacceptable levels, absent government subsidies, including the earned income credit, which subsidizes low wage jobs, and further encourages illegal immigration. It is not a vituous circle. We need to have an honest dialogue about that.


4,329 posted on 02/02/2005 9:15:31 PM PST by Torie
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To: Seaplaner
Krauhthammer nailed it. The speech was nothing new. At least we avoided a couple of the tired cliches that were dragged out the other week like "freedom is on the march" and the real fighting words, "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande" when Bush is pimping his amnesty-in-everything-but-name program.

I found the speech uninspired and tiring. Between the fishnet stockings behind Laura and Dick sucking on his lozenge, I was able to stay awake. I don't trush Bush. He's a liar and a scoundral.

Fortunately his border mess ought to fail in the House. He won't actually sign a budget which reigns in spending, he won't get up-or-down votes on judges, he won't get critical reforms enacted. He will, however, try to taint the U.S. Constitution with his "marriage ammendment" unAmerican, liberty-squashing agenda.

4,330 posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:07 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: kellynch
I'm actually pretty pleased that Dean will be party chairman. Most of the "normal" Dems I know (the Joe Lieberman/Zell Miller types) are really upset about this situation. They were also pissed as hell that Robert Byrd was so vocal against Condi.

They're also now pissed at Kennedy/kerry and boxer...It may be that the old line dems are waking up to the fact that they've been overrun by socialists.

If they decide that they'll be in trouble with the people - even dems who are waking up - there may be a real split in the dem party: the old liners versus the socialists.

This would be perfect, as there wouldn't be enough on either side to bother us for decades.

Maybe the old liners could rebuild the real democrat party - which would be good - but still take decades to catch up to us.

4,331 posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:15 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: ohioWfan

Whoa! I'm replaying the end of the speech and just saw the big smackeroo Dubya gave Lieberman on the way out. Did you see that?! It was very poignant.

And as soon as he released Lieberman, that little worm Patrick Kennedy tried to say something to him. He looked like "Who's this squirt?". LOL!

Was Uncle Ted even there?


4,332 posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:23 PM PST by Timeout (Dems have been saying no for 10 years. Now they can SCREAM it.)
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To: LUV W
I actually don't think he is. I think maybe he and Michael were switched somehow!

It is odd. Michael, his adopted son, looks more like Reagan than Ron. Hmmmm ...

4,333 posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:37 PM PST by silent_jonny (The Nightime Sniffling Sneezing Coughing Aching Stuffyhead Fever So You Can Freep Medicine)
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To: Timeout

I have to say that those idiots with purple fingers tonight in SOTU embarrassed me. The republics acted like democrats tonight with that hokey stunt.They should be embarassed as I bet the President was.


4,334 posted on 02/02/2005 9:18:01 PM PST by Gypssy (Smart, Womanly & Conversative! :-)~~~)
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To: newzjunkey
I found the speech uninspired and tiring

Different strokes for different folks.

4,335 posted on 02/02/2005 9:18:49 PM PST by Torie
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To: lizma
Did they just show Osmama ben obama Laden?

LOL - Kennedy's legacy:long drive/short bridge and his flubbing last week

4,336 posted on 02/02/2005 9:19:13 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Timeout
I saw that flub-up and decided to replay the speech. I will not watch Scar with ronot Reagan on there. What a hate filled maroon!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighting Troops

4,337 posted on 02/02/2005 9:19:32 PM PST by bray (Iraq Freed Politically and Pray it will be Freed Spiritually)
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To: hole_n_one

Missed the whole thing entirely. How was it?


4,338 posted on 02/02/2005 9:19:36 PM PST by lainie
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I watched the speech (Outstanding) with its very direct messages to the people of Iran, and the fool assad in Syria. I also listened tp the responces by the communist reid and pelosi.

To those communists, Harry if you think social security just needs a little adjusting, fine. Opt out of the Senate retirement system, and take social security instead. Same for your fellow communists on your side of the aisle.

To the communist pelosi...I am a Marine Combat Veteran. I resent a communist like you referring to the members of the United States Armed Forces in any way what so ever (unless of course you are asking them for terms of surrender). And if that is the case, NO TERMS. Just total surrender.

Now it has been 40 years since I read Karl Marx, but from what I remember of what I read and what I see of the demoncrap party I see no differance whatsoever. Therefore I tell every demoncrap I meet I consider them to be a communist. Needless to say we do not have long conversations.


4,339 posted on 02/02/2005 9:19:42 PM PST by stumpy (M)
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To: goodnesswins

Check C-SPAN, I am sure they will do a replay.


4,340 posted on 02/02/2005 9:20:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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