Posted on 08/27/2004 9:18:36 AM PDT by blam
GGG Ping.
What's next? Spaniards really came to America in 50 BC?
I believe the traditional thinking was that Turks (Seljuk Turks) were late comers, arriving out of Central Asia around about 900 AD. Is this research really trying to push that date back 3000 years???
A thousand pardons, but this conclusion is politicized and nonsensical. The Turks are a central Asian people from the steppes, who displaced from that region in the 8th-9th centuries AD. Following their victory over the Byzantine Emperor at Manzikert in 1071 (which forever broke the Greeks' power), they moved into Asia Minor over the following two centuries and established themselves there for what appears to be perpetuity. I make no normative judgments on this history, which has been well documented by primary documents and by Greek and Arab historians, but linking the current Turkish people with the ancient peoples of Asia Minor is a luaghable conclusion.
That's the way I read it.
Politically-motivated revisionism on a par with the unwillingness of the Chinese to admit they pushed non-Han populations out of Turkestan in historical times.
It is possible that some Turks were in Anatolia 2000 BC. Everybody else was.
Certainly commentators at the time, one thousand years ago, thought that a new people was arriving.
Well, I guess that explains why the Turkish government has not emphasized their archaeological sites for tourist purposes, or really tried to enforce their antiquities statutes. I visited a number of sites that no one seemed to know anything about. Any other country would have had guided tours, post cards, armed guards, light shows, and cheap souvenirs.
I suppose this makes my wife's Greek friend from Wellesley, whose family came originaly from Trabizond but who grew up in Athens no thanks to Ataturk and Co., really "Turkish"? After all, a couple of carved stones have been found so we now know there were no Greeks in Anatolia ever.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)
Well, you see, you just don't get it. Those Chronicles from the period of 1070-1100 were rewritten much later after 1700 by lying Greek Nationalist Monks on Mt Athos who made up the history out of wholecloth about the Turkish invasion.
In reality, "bloodthirsty cuthroat Greeks" tried to invade the "God-loving peaceful Turkish Sheepherders" at that time, trying to drive them from their ancestoral homeland of 3000 years, and the "noble, peace-loving Turks" repulsed them and sent them home with their tails between their legs. In order to avoid the embarassment of this defeat, the "accursed lying Greeks" transmorgified the story of their barbaric invasion of the "beuatiful chaste chosen people Turks" into Homer's story the "Illiad", and pretended it actually happened 1800 year earlier. Then the "wicked decietful Greeks" went and planted all sorts of archaeological items during secret night raids in their boats, and made up tall tales to circulate in Germany and England to inspire romantic Archaeologists to go and dig up their secretly hidden Archaelogical frauds. But note well, since they had to plant them in boats, the "Devil's spawn children of hell Greeks" could only plant their falsehoods near the shores of the Black and Medditerranean Seas, which is why people think there is evidence of Greek settlement on the coasts right up to the early part of last century. The "cruel baby muderer Greeks" will stop at nothing in their campaign of deceit and hatred to displace the "Turkish children of God" from their homeland in Anatolia.
But now the TRUTH is out.
(/SARCASM)
It's all becoming clear to me now ... my eyes have been opened. Thank you Wise One.
Thanks, one could get confused on all of these stories regarding who was where, when.
Did you know their are stone tablets in Utah also?
NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: 24Karet; bayourod; blam; ClearCase_guy; Destro; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; GSlob; Hermann the Cherusker; Homo_homini_lupus; ojnab_bob; RightWhale; VadeRetroTurkish Daily News / 12 September 1995In Mongolia, Demirel is the official guest of President Punsalmaagiin Ochirbat. During Demirel's stay in Ulan Bator, which will last until Wednesday, Turkey And Mongolia are due to sign a friendship and cooperation agreement with which will be the framework for further accords between the two countries. Demirel's tour covering Tajikistan And Mongolia was the first trip by a top Turkish official to the two central Asian republics. In Mongolia, Demirel and the turkish delegation are also due to visit the eighth century Orhun (Orkhon) Monuments, the site of the earliest known examples of written Turkish culture. Turkey has undertaken a project for the restoration of the monuments. Following the former Soviet Union's collapse in late 1991, Ankara has established close ties particularly with the newly independent Turkic republics of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan And Uzbekistan in central Asia and Azerbaijan in Transcaucasia.Demirel calls for action to end delayThe difficulty has been caused by what the Turkish side calls the reluctance of Mongolia to provide data to Turkey for Ankara's plans to renovate the 8th century monuments left from the Gokturk civilization. According to Turkish diplomats, Ankara has already earmarked "a considerable sum" for the project... Demirel was driven for 90 minutes -- mostly over rugged roadless terrain -- to the Tonyukuk monument, where the first script to use the word "Turk" is found. Tonyukuk, left from the Gokturk era, has resisted harsh weather conditions and negligence since 1235.
in restoring historical Mongolian Orhun monuments
by Nazlan Ertan
13 September 1995Turkish LanguageTurkish belongs to the Altay branch of the Ural-Altaic linguistic family, same as Finnish and Hungarian.
Burak Sansal
1999-2003
Ottoman Turkish was basically Turkish in structure, but with a heavy overlay of Arabic and Persian vocabulary and an occasional grammatical influence. Ottoman Turkish co-existed with spoken Turkish, with the latter being considered a "gutter language" and not worthy of study. Ottoman Turkish, and the spoken language were both represented with an Arabic script.
Then there was the "new language" movement started by Kemal Atatürk. In 1928, five years after the proclamation of the Republic, the Arabic alphabet was replaced by the Latin one, which in turn speeded up the movement to rid the language of foreign words. Prior to the reform that introduced the Roman script, Turkish was written in the Arabic script. Up to the fifteenth century the Anatolian Turks used the Uighur script to write Turkish. The Turkish Language Institute (Turk Dil Kurumu) was established in 1932 to carry out linguistic research and contribute to the natural development of the language. As a consequence of these efforts, modern Turkish is a literary and cultural language developing naturally and free of foreign influences. Today literacy rates in Turkey are over 90%.
Like all of the Turkic languages, Turkish is agglutinative, that is, grammatical functions are indicated by adding various suffixes to stems.
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