[blam]

GGG Ping.

[GSlob]

"figure which shows warriors ''holding pots''
It is heartening to learn that beer hall brawls using heavy mugs were in fashion even then.:-)

[Hermann the Cherusker]

What's next? Spaniards really came to America in 50 BC?

[ClearCase_guy]

Anatolia has been ruled by Hittites, Lydians, Medes, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and Arabs before the Turks got control.

I believe the traditional thinking was that Turks (Seljuk Turks) were late comers, arriving out of Central Asia around about 900 AD. Is this research really trying to push that date back 3000 years???

[ojnab_bob]

A thousand pardons, but this conclusion is politicized and nonsensical. The Turks are a central Asian people from the steppes, who displaced from that region in the 8th-9th centuries AD. Following their victory over the Byzantine Emperor at Manzikert in 1071 (which forever broke the Greeks' power), they moved into Asia Minor over the following two centuries and established themselves there for what appears to be perpetuity. I make no normative judgments on this history, which has been well documented by primary documents and by Greek and Arab historians, but linking the current Turkish people with the ancient peoples of Asia Minor is a luaghable conclusion.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks blam, I'm adding it to GGG, although this "finding" is a crock.

Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

[SunkenCiv]

As my friend C.K. said on my SC forum, "pan-Turanianism is back!" ;')

Turkish Daily News / 12 September 1995

In Mongolia, Demirel is the official guest of President Punsalmaagiin Ochirbat. During Demirel's stay in Ulan Bator, which will last until Wednesday, Turkey And Mongolia are due to sign a friendship and cooperation agreement with which will be the framework for further accords between the two countries. Demirel's tour covering Tajikistan And Mongolia was the first trip by a top Turkish official to the two central Asian republics. In Mongolia, Demirel and the turkish delegation are also due to visit the eighth century Orhun (Orkhon) Monuments, the site of the earliest known examples of written Turkish culture. Turkey has undertaken a project for the restoration of the monuments. Following the former Soviet Union's collapse in late 1991, Ankara has established close ties particularly with the newly independent Turkic republics of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan And Uzbekistan in central Asia and Azerbaijan in Transcaucasia.

Demirel calls for action to end delay
in restoring historical Mongolian Orhun monuments
by Nazlan Ertan
13 September 1995

The difficulty has been caused by what the Turkish side calls the reluctance of Mongolia to provide data to Turkey for Ankara's plans to renovate the 8th century monuments left from the Gokturk civilization. According to Turkish diplomats, Ankara has already earmarked "a considerable sum" for the project... Demirel was driven for 90 minutes -- mostly over rugged roadless terrain -- to the Tonyukuk monument, where the first script to use the word "Turk" is found. Tonyukuk, left from the Gokturk era, has resisted harsh weather conditions and negligence since 1235.

Turkish Language
Burak Sansal
1999-2003

Turkish belongs to the Altay branch of the Ural-Altaic linguistic family, same as Finnish and Hungarian.

Ottoman Turkish was basically Turkish in structure, but with a heavy overlay of Arabic and Persian vocabulary and an occasional grammatical influence. Ottoman Turkish co-existed with spoken Turkish, with the latter being considered a "gutter language" and not worthy of study. Ottoman Turkish, and the spoken language were both represented with an Arabic script.

Then there was the "new language" movement started by Kemal Atatürk. In 1928, five years after the proclamation of the Republic, the Arabic alphabet was replaced by the Latin one, which in turn speeded up the movement to rid the language of foreign words. Prior to the reform that introduced the Roman script, Turkish was written in the Arabic script. Up to the fifteenth century the Anatolian Turks used the Uighur script to write Turkish. The Turkish Language Institute (Turk Dil Kurumu) was established in 1932 to carry out linguistic research and contribute to the natural development of the language. As a consequence of these efforts, modern Turkish is a literary and cultural language developing naturally and free of foreign influences. Today literacy rates in Turkey are over 90%.

Like all of the Turkic languages, Turkish is agglutinative, that is, grammatical functions are indicated by adding various suffixes to stems.

NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: 24Karet; bayourod; blam; ClearCase_guy; Destro; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; GSlob; Hermann the Cherusker; Homo_homini_lupus; ojnab_bob; RightWhale; VadeRetro

[Homo_homini_lupus]

Ping!

[SunkenCiv]

the web archive version:

In Search of Hurrian Urkesh
by Giorgio Buccellati
and Marilyn Kelly-Buccellati

We know that Urkesh was... a real city as well. In 1948, two bronze lions appeared on the antiquities market; the lions are inscribed with a text in which a king by the name of Tish-atal boasts of having built a temple in Urkesh. But since the provenance of these lions is not known, the location of the city until recently was also unknown... Our excavations, however, have proved that Urkesh was located at the remote north Syrian site of Tell Mozan.

[eleni121]

Yeah and the Martians were here too long before indigenous Indians.