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Here we go again. This time I hope its stays up! GRRR!
1 posted on 07/11/2004 9:26:00 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

One thing is for sure: today's Republican Party isn't Ronald Reagan's Party. They worship the Gipper by being for everything he was against.


2 posted on 07/11/2004 9:27:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Those who wish to raise taxes are not republicans, but then again, what about those who won't cut spending, or at least freeze it?

Wait, I was confusing republicans and conservatives, sorry.


3 posted on 07/11/2004 9:28:49 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Virtue is learned at a mother's knee...and vices at other joints.)
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To: goldstategop
GWB, while big on tax cuts, is addicted to spending our hard earned dollars.

And he's currently our party's leader.

5 posted on 07/11/2004 9:30:19 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: goldstategop
The Bush administration has been the biggest-spending presidency in 40 years--since Lyndon Johnson. Overall spending has grown from 18.4% to 20.2% of gross domestic product. Some of that is post-9/11 defense spending, but nondefense discretionary spending has grown 43% since President Clinton left office. The administration championed an $86 billion farm subsidy bill, a huge education expenditure increase for the No Child Left Behind program, and the $534 billion health care and prescription drug bill signed into law last December.

This, along with Bush's assault on the First Amendment, are among the many reasons I don't support him. I don't support Big Stupid Government politicians, period.

6 posted on 07/11/2004 9:30:20 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: goldstategop

The GOP is no longer the party of limited government.
That legacy seems to have died with Reagan.

RIP

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169549/posts


11 posted on 07/11/2004 9:40:20 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: goldstategop
The GOP has controlled Congress for 10 years.

How many times have GOP leaders proposed real spending reductions and elimination of unneeded government programs??

12 posted on 07/11/2004 9:41:02 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: goldstategop

Here's the full article:

A Dime's Worth of Difference?
Four Republican senators are determined to raise your taxes.

BY PETE DU PONT
Monday, July 12, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

An important and serious argument is going on in Washington about whether taxes on Americans' incomes should stay where they are or dramatically rise, and whether government spending should continue its accelerating growth. We know what Democrats think. They despise tax cuts and believe government spending should be higher. Washington Republicans, on the other hand, are unsure of themselves. They used to be for lower taxes and smaller government; now they seem to want bigger spending even if it means higher taxes, abandoning Reagan conservatism for '60s liberalism. In other words, this is a battle for the heart of the Republican Party; the outcome matters, and it seems to be in doubt.

With the help of three liberal Republicans (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island), and one who should know better (John McCain of Arizona), the Senate, with 51 votes, adopted a rule that if passed in the House will end all the Bush tax cuts and ensure that no new ones are enacted.

Pay as you go, or "Paygo," is a budgeting rule requiring any revenue lost as the result of a tax cut, or spent through the enactment of new entitlement programs, to be paid for either by raising other federal taxes or reducing other federal entitlement spending. Paygo rules don't apply to the growth of existing entitlement programs; they increase automatically every year. Social Security grows about 5% annually, and it is exempt. Medicare grows about 9%, Medicaid about 7%; they and President Bush's new drug benefit can all continue to grow without limitation. Existing entitlement programs total about $1.3 trillion in annual spending, and are expected to double in the next 10 years. They are all unaffected by Paygo, on autopilot.

But tax cuts aren't exempt. Under the Senate's Paygo the existing Bush tax cuts would one by one expire over the next few years unless they get 60 votes in the Senate. New tax cuts would require 60 votes to pass unless accompanied by equivalent spending reductions. So entitlements like Social Security or Medicare would have to absorb very large reductions to pay for tax cuts. Obviously that would cause political pain and suffering, helping Senate Democrats reach their goal of making sure that tax cuts never happen and higher government spending always happens.





In March Paygo came before the House. It fell just one vote short of passage, in part because members couldn't agree on including or excluding tax cuts. Then last month came an effort to put in place some other spending controls. Appropriations subcommittee chairmen threatened to remove pork-barrel projects from the district of any congressman who voted yes. Considering that the 2004 highway bill contained 3,000 hometown projects costing $10 billion--bridges, horse trails, museums, garages--in hundreds of congressional districts, that's a real threat. One might conclude that House Republicans are moving towards FDR's Harry Hopkins view that "we shall tax and tax, spend and spend, and elect and elect."
At the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue there is White House opposition to the tax-cut portion of Paygo, for the president's men understand that would be the end of economy-expanding tax cuts. There is lip service to applying it to spending, and no wonder. The Bush administration has been the biggest-spending presidency in 40 years--since Lyndon Johnson. Overall spending has grown from 18.4% to 20.2% of gross domestic product. Some of that is post-9/11 defense spending, but nondefense discretionary spending has grown 43% since President Clinton left office. The administration championed an $86 billion farm subsidy bill, a huge education expenditure increase for the No Child Left Behind program, and the $534 billion health care and prescription drug bill signed into law last December.

Make no mistake about how Paygo would be applied in the future: a 60-vote majority, very difficult to muster, would be needed to continue the Bush tax cuts when they begin to expire in 2005 and 2006. But on the spending side we have already seen that Paygo would regularly be waived. Three times since the four liberal Republicans ensured its adoption, each has voted to waive another 60-vote requirement for new spending programs, including a $35 billion entitlement expansion for disabilities education. How do you suppose they will vote if John Kerry is elected and pushes his $653 billion catastrophic care insurance plan?

Paygo is simply a plan to raise taxes back to the pre-Bush level (or higher) and make sure they are not reduced in the future. That enough Republicans would vote for Paygo to ensure Senate passage recalls third-party 1968 presidential candidate George Wallace's suspicion that when it comes to money, "there's not a dime's worth of difference" between Democrats and Republicans.

If the Paygo battle allows that to become a truth, the Republican Party won't matter much any more.

Mr. du Pont, a former governor of Delaware, is policy chairman of the Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis. His column appears once a month.


20 posted on 07/11/2004 9:48:38 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: *Taxreform

bump


21 posted on 07/11/2004 9:48:52 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: goldstategop

jmstein7;lowcountryjoe

An updated missive from my roommate, includes links:



On the Horns of a Dilemma

I am seriously having a hard time trying to find some inducement to vote for either of the two Presidential candidates in November, but for the reasons I will elucidate below, it's getting very difficult.

First off, both of these guys are members of the same elite Masonic Lodge fraternity -- something called "Skull and Bones." Not just Bush, but Kerry also, were both raised to believe that they are the lords and we are the peasants. They're just campaigning under different "name brands". I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media, but a college reporter made the connection. Here's her article:

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?ID=27899


While Bush made a strong response after 9/11, he fails to see (or ignores) another opening for terrorists to enter this country. Our borders are like sieves -- especially the Southwestern one. Bush has encouraged this with his coziness toward Vicente Fox (who is just trying to pass along his internal problems to us). By pushing a type of amnesty for illegal aliens (primarily Mexican), he has encouraged them to continue invading California, getting free education and medical care for which low-income legal citizens "don't qualify":

Bush Amnesty Sparks Surge in Border Crossings
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111818,00.html

Medical Benefits for Non-Citizens
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77833,00.html


Here's something interesting -- do illegal aliens vote? They must -- otherwise why would both Bush and Kerry be so concerned about their welfare (at our expense)? Read this:

Candidates Court Illegal Immigrants
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124995,00.html


Last I heard, Texas ranchers were still being prosecuted for shooting these invaders when they broke into their homes to steal. And it's also my understanding that Mexican troops have come across our border in Texas, as well. Why is this allowed? Why is it not on the mainstream news? It's #42 on a list of immigration outrages you can find on Tom Tancredo's (R-Colorado) Web site:

http://www.tancredo.org/issues/issues-immigration-unbelievablelist.htm

Bush favors corporate outsourcing, which has caused a number of people to be out of work -- some I know personally. These are intelligent people with decades of experience. So, are they supposed to change careers after the age of 50, when Corporate America says they're "too old"?

U.S. Tech Workers Bear Brunt of Immigration Policy
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118473,00.html

Bush had the colossal nerve to reappoint that jerk Greenspan, who believes that he should keep his social security payments, but we Baby Boomers should have to work longer and harder for lower ones. For those of you who missed it, here's the link to the February 2004 AP story:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/02/25/greenspan_urges_social_security_cuts/


The way I see it, if I vote Republican, my son could be drafted, in spite of his medical problems, because we are not rich and powerful. My friends and acquaintances who are American citizens will still be out of work. The cost of getting to my own job will increase with the gas prices so that Bush can line his pockets.

If I vote Democrat, my son could still be drafted, because Kerry has also indicated support for reinstating it. My job would be in danger, because I work for a company with connections to the nuclear power industry. Gas prices will rise anyway, so the Sierra Club or Earth First! (a terrorist organization) can line their pockets. The drive to work will be just as expensive for me as it would be under the Republicans.

It strikes me that a Democrat will take your home and turn it into an environmental habitat or give it to some "minority", while a Republican will take your home and give it to a developer who will then make it a parking lot and charge you to park your car there.

Guess what? Your home is just as gone!

So, since both political parties are equally evil, just different, what are we supposed to do?

I want one more box on the ballot: None of the above is acceptable.

Sure wish Jesus would hurry up and get here before November so I don't have to deal with it.

-- Cranky in California




29 posted on 07/11/2004 9:52:00 PM PDT by null and void (Why is OUR oil under THEIR sand???)
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To: goldstategop

It won't pass in the House.


39 posted on 07/11/2004 9:58:36 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (I was elected in AZ as an alt delegate to the Convention. I'M GOING TO NY)
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To: goldstategop
Not one bit surprised by Collins and Snow. The politicians in Maine just don't get it. They believe that you should tax citizens and business until we are all unemployed.
50 posted on 07/11/2004 10:07:43 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: goldstategop
"This time I hope its stays up! GRRR! "

That's difficult with these type threads that attract all the old third party fanatics.

They can't remain civil for long and conservatives can't suffer their lack of common sense.

They don't even have a clue about political parties. They think political parties are debating societies searching for the ultimate truth. Winning elections is not part of their experience.

93 posted on 07/11/2004 10:31:25 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.)
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To: goldstategop
GWB's lack of fiscal leadership is the cause of all this. And his muddled understanding of fiscal responsiblity springs directly from his unfortunate belief in something called "compassionate conservatism." "Compassionate conservatism" is a misnomer that could only have been coined by someone unfamiliar with conservative principles, which have never lacked in compassion but which have always insisted that compassion in its rightful form counsels personal responsiblity. Conservatives understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

When the president can say, as he has, that "if someone is hurting it's the government's job to be there," he is actually saying there is a free lunch, that government has inexhaustible resources from which to draw, and that government's beneficence should be showered on the "hurting." This is the nonsense talk of someone who has never thought seriously about economics, someone who doesn't understand why Hayek and Friedman were right and Keynes and Marx were wrong.

GWB hasn't thought seriously about too many things I'm afraid. He's entirely too shaky in too many areas and it's really beginning to bug me.

119 posted on 07/11/2004 10:48:17 PM PDT by beckett
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To: goldstategop

Oh, glorious... a Bush-bash fest in the middle of a critical election season.

1992 redux...


121 posted on 07/11/2004 10:49:20 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: goldstategop

Taxes should be linked to the percentage of the Constitution the government is willing to uphold. Right now, the government is adhering to about 10% of the constitution, so pray for a 90% refund.

The car that cost $4000 in 1960 now costs, what...$20,000? THAT is what happens when your government does not maintain a sound, gold-based currency as Constitution requires.

Face it. The government is easily corruptible and already corrupt, and its adherence to the Constitution is superficial and spotty at best.


172 posted on 07/12/2004 12:04:46 AM PDT by Tax Government
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An important and serious argument is going on in Washington about whether taxes on Americans' incomes should stay where they are or dramatically rise

So a tax decrease is out of the question?

219 posted on 07/12/2004 12:42:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: goldstategop
With the help of three liberal Republicans (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island), and one who should know better (John McCain of Arizona), the Senate, with 51 votes, adopted a rule that if passed in the House will end all the Bush tax cuts and ensure that no new ones are enacted.

Why do you think I believe in term limits!

I always HATE voting for Snowe and Collins, both RINO'S of the highest order, but I absolutely refust to vote DemocRAT. No way.

So, Maine is stuck with these two fence sitters. And I hate it. We voted them into office what seems like years ago, and now they have a leash around our necks.

I, for one, am sick and tired of it.


290 posted on 07/12/2004 10:58:45 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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