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Massive Black Hole Stumps Researchers
Space.com ^ | June 28, 2004 | Tariq Malik

Posted on 06/28/2004 7:03:25 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

A team of astronomers have found a colossal black hole so ancient, they're not sure how it had enough time to grow to its current size, about 10 billion times the mass of the Sun.

Sitting at the heart of a distant galaxy, the black hole appears to be about 12.7 billion years old, which means it formed just one billion years after the universe began and is one of the oldest supermassive black holes ever known.

The black hole, researchers said, is big enough to hold 1,000 of our own Solar Systems and weighs about as much as all the stars in the Milky Way.

"The universe was awfully young at the time this was formed," said astronomer Roger Romani, a Stanford University associate professor whose team found the object. "It's a bit of a challenge to understand how this black hole got enough mass to reach its size."

Romani told SPACE.com that the black hole is unique because it dates back to just after a period researchers call the 'Dark Ages,' a time when the universe cooled down after the initial Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. That cooling period lasted about one billion years, when the first black holes, stars and galaxies began to appear, he added. The research appeared June 10 on the online version of Astrophysical Journal Letters.

Invisible to the naked eye, black holes can only be detected by the radiation they spew and their gravitational influence on their stellar neighbors. Astronomers generally agree that black holes come in at least two types, stellar and supermassive. Stellar black holes form from collapsed, massive stars a few times the mass of the Sun, while their supermassive counterparts can reach billions of solar masses.

A supermassive black hole a few million times the mass of the Sun is thought to sit at the center of our own Milky Way galaxy, and some of the largest supermassives seen date have reached up to two billion solar masses, researchers said.

Weighing a black hole heavyweight

Determining a precise mass for the black hole found by Romani's team, dubbed Q0906+6930, is a bit tricky though since it's so far away.

"Very massive black holes like this are so rare, that one should really be a little suspicious at first," Romani said.

The black hole, called a blazar because it spews jets of radiation in roughly the direction of Earth, sits at the center of a galaxy about 12.7 billion light-years away in the constellation Ursa Major. One light-year is the distance light travels in one year, is about six trillion miles (10 trillion kilometers).

Because the blazar is so distant, there are no nearby neighbors to scan for potential gravitational effects, and much of its radiation is absorbed by gas and dust lying between it and the Earth, Romani said.

"It really is too far away to do a direct orbital measurement to help determine its mass," Romani said, adding that he and his colleagues had to estimate the mass based on a quantitative method that includes measuring particle velocity and the Doppler shift of its infrared emission lines. "The best thing to do is study it in a broader region of the spectrum, to get more emission lines."

Next year, researchers plan to scan the blazar's X-ray emissions with the Very Large Baseline Array and take other measurements to pin down a more accurate mass for the object, and eventual gamma-ray studies could refine that number even more.

A good catch

The blazar found by Romani and his colleagues is one of about 200 they have catalogued to date in preparation for the Gamma Ray Large Area Space Telescope (GLAST) planned for launch in 2007. The researchers are using a collection of optical, gamma-ray and radio observations for their study.

Since that mission is aimed at studying high-energy radiation sources like pulsars and spinning neutrons stars and others, researchers wanted to be able to filter out blazar interference before GLAST begins operations. But the discovery of blazar Q0906+6930, has yielded a few added scientific benefits.

"It suggests the blazar phenomena turned on much earlier than we thought," Romani said of the black hole. "So it really pushes on the formation scenarios we have for black holes."

Close study of the blazar's jet could also give astronomers a good picture of all the matter lying between Earth and the massive black hole since it has to pass through such material to reach astronomers' telescopes.

"So that's a way of using this weird, anomalous object to help our understanding of the universe," Romani said, adding that he and his colleagues plan to continue their blazar hunt until GLAST begins. "But I would be very surprised if there were a large number of these objects."



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: ancient; bigbang; blackhole; blazar; colossalcrash; mysterymonday; space; steadystate; stringtheory
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To: Ichneumon
In other words, matter that is ripped apart when it is sucked into the hole, which can then produce radiation. The radiation could well escape the gravity of the black hole, depending on the angle at which it is emitted.

Although I think this effect is observed more where a star is orbiting a black hole, and the black hole is slowly pulling matter from the star.
61 posted on 06/28/2004 9:28:44 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Physicist
I am not at your level of technical understanding...sorry

Electric Universe is challenging the former theories.
They are sure to be wrong at many points...
I used to run a CNC Plasma gantry....Nitrogen/Cryo Nitrogen,underwater cut too.
Ultrasound inspection..X-ray...and welding.

Electric Universe is relevant for me....am just comfortable their.
Halton Arps work has thrown a big wrench into Redshift.
Way too many theories have ..*Dark matter and other unknowns tossed in to make models work.
Age is another issue with me...This multiple Billions of years thingy.
That could be wrong too.

The former constructs...the academic uniformity thing..age dating..all that..its subject to revision.
Gravity is important....but it is no longer slot # 1

62 posted on 06/28/2004 9:33:53 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: longshadow

Thanks, but I hesitate to deploy my ping list. Like a black hole itself, the thread's attracted enough debris that it's gone over the edge.


63 posted on 06/29/2004 3:07:14 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So
He didn't, Satan spawned all the false religions on Earth to confuse and decieve the people from the true religion. You just have to figure out which one the true relegion is.



You called?


64 posted on 06/29/2004 2:16:37 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

"Just think. All this stuff just happened willy-nilly, randomly. No nothing. Yes sir, just kinda, sorta fell into place and everything from here to eternity obeys the same rules all by accident."

Of course they do, otherwise they wouldn't exist.

That isn't evidence of anything.

Besides, religion doesn't need objective proof. It's based on faith.


65 posted on 06/29/2004 2:18:17 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Michael Moore has been found!


66 posted on 06/29/2004 2:20:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Integrityrocks

"Weighing a black hole heavyweight".

Not that hard to explain, Michael Moore.


67 posted on 06/29/2004 2:20:10 PM PDT by Iberian
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To: adam_az

Got slack?


68 posted on 06/29/2004 2:28:05 PM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: PatrickHenry

You could still ping me, and maybe one or two others. Oft times, that's the only way we know these posts are here.


69 posted on 06/29/2004 2:29:31 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior

Okay. I'll do that next time.


70 posted on 06/29/2004 4:53:24 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

And isn't it true that the highest percentage of professionals who believe in God are Astronomers!


71 posted on 06/29/2004 4:58:10 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: oldtimer
And isn't it true that the highest percentage of professionals who believe in God are Astronomers!

I was always told it was the astronomer's girlfriend. Not surprising when you consider astronomers are professionals trained to work all night.

72 posted on 06/29/2004 5:09:47 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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Note: this topic is from 6/28/2004. Thanks PeaceBeWithYou.

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73 posted on 03/27/2015 12:38:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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