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Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...
12-10-03 | Vanity

Posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose

Vanity:

An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...



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To: Warhammer
Seems like there is a lot of 5-4 decisions that SCOTUS has made here lately.

*** You're right. Good point.
541 posted on 12/11/2003 6:28:50 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Jim Robinson
Amen, Jim!

Do not let ANYONE divide and conquer us.

The result will be President Hillary Clinton.
542 posted on 12/11/2003 6:30:20 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Palladin
Don't ever say that again .....President Hillary Clinton. LOL

You just made my stomach turn and now I have to go take some Pepto.

543 posted on 12/11/2003 6:40:36 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: onemoreday
And yes, there is a left and a right. Along with a right and a wrong and good vs evil. And I sincerely believe that the party of the left is the party of the Democrats and the party of the Democrats is so left and so wrong that it is officially evil.

For example, the official Democrat Party platform supports and promotes abortion as a "constitutional right." I sincerely doubt that's what Jefferson had in mind when he said we were all endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. No way am I going to believe that God endowed us with a "right" to kill our unborn children and no way do I believe our Founders intended "privacy" to mean a mother can kill her child.

The party of the left (the official Democrat Party) is now so close to communism you can barely detect any difference. Many of their elected leaders are, in fact, card carrying socialists. They hate America. They hate God. They hate our Constitution. They love abortion, homosexualism, extremist evironmentalism, socialism, gun-control, the United Nations, atheism, corruption, you name the evil -- they love it. The standard issue Democrat official has never met a communist dictator he didn't love. They use any means available to destroy our moral society and our traditional American values. They desire to bring America down and to subjugate us to various socialist world government organizations.

You can pooh pooh it all day long, but the Republicans have battled against all of this for the last 70 years or more. Sure, certain elements within the Republican party are liberal, and they've managed to set us back, but don't forget that the Democrats have held the majority of the power for most of the those 70 years. Without the Republican opposition, we would've already lost all to the communists. In fact, had it not been for the Republican Ronald Reagan, we probably would've lost the Cold War. Had McGovern made it to the presidency, our children would be speaking Russian by now.

No thank you. We do still have the vote and I intend to use it against the liberal/socialist/leftist Democrats. And I encourage as many like-minded conservatives as possible to do the same thing. The godless commie-loving rat bastards are evil. Vote them out!

544 posted on 12/11/2003 6:48:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)
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To: gatorbait; Jim Robinson
Look at the history of the congresses over the past 70+ years, starting with the 72nd congress. Also, notice the wide margins at times in which they controlled, for example, the 75th congress: 89 republicans, 333 democrats, and 13 others. The senate has similar numbers.

Since 1933, the democrats had control of the House except for the 83rd, 107th and 108th congress. The 83rd was struggling over McCarthy, and that lasted 2 short years. So, for the past three years, the republicans were supposed to turn around this liberal monster around. In three years? The majority of sheeple would not go for the removal of all their social welfare programs. The liberal monster has infiltrated all aspects of our society. I'm surprised after reviewing just how much power the Democrats had there are any conservatives left. We hung on to fight, and we should not quit after only 3 years of control.

Also, think back to 1936. I don't believe the democrats had been infighting publicly the way the conservatives are today. They understood the plan. Incrementalism and keep your fights private, appear united. Which is exactly the tactic we have to use in order to return our country back to it's original intent.

It is feasible for the republicans to turn around 70 years of socialism. It is not going to be done in a couple years. I wish it were otherwise, but we have to be pragmatic. I'm sticking with the republicans because they have the infrastructure in place. Use the Republican party to advance conservatism, like the socialists and commies use the Democrats. Take advantage of it.

545 posted on 12/11/2003 8:39:02 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Great post. Let's see if we can bring that table forward:
Background Information

Political Divisions of the House of Representatives (1789 to Present)

Political parties have been one of the two major organizing forces in Congress for most of its history (the other force being the House's standing committees). These political divisions have existed since Representatives were elected to the first Congress. The main party affiliations from the first to the thirty-third Congresses in the House of Representatives included Federalists, Whigs, and Democrats-Republicans. The origins of the modern Democratic party emerged in the presidency of Andrew Jackson (1829-37), while the Republican party surfaced in the wake of the Whig party collapse in the 1850s. Although Members who represent other political parties have been and continue to be elected to Congress, the Democratic and Republican parties have dominated American politics and organized Congress since the mid-nineteenth century.

The table below lists the political divisions of the House of Representatives from 1789 to present. Included is the total number of Representatives allotted each Congress, as well as the breakdown of Delegates and Members representing the Federalists, Whigs, Republicans, Democrats, and other political parties. Also included any existing vacancies during a particular Congress.

Political Divisions 1789-Present

Congress
Years
Allotted
No. of Reps
Delsa, b
Feds
Whigs
Reps
Dems
Others
Vacant
1st
1789-1791
65
...
53
...
...
12
...
...
2nd
1791-1793
69
...
55
...
...
14
...
...
3rd
1793-1795
105
1
51
...
...
54
...
...
4th
1795-1797
105
1
46
...
...
50
...
...
5th
1797-1799
105
...
51
...
...
54
...
...
6th
1799-1801
105
1
57
...
...
48
...
...
7th
1801-1803
105
2
34
...
...
71
...
...
8th
1803-1805
141
1
38
...
...
103
...
...
9th
1805-1807
141
3
29
...
...
112
...
...
10th
1807-1809
141
3
31
...
...
110
...
...
11th
1809-1811
141

3

46
...
...
95
...
...
12th
1811-1813
141
5
36
...
...
105
...
...
13th
1814-1815
182
4
67
...
...
115
...
...
14th
1815-1817
183
4
61
...
...
122
...
...
15th
1817-1819
185
4
57
...
...
128
...
...
16th
1819-1821
187
4
42
...
...
145
...
...
17th
1821-1823
187
4
58
...
...
129
...
...
18th
1823-1825
213
3
72
...
...
141
...
...
19th
1825-1827
213
3
79
...
...
134
...
...
20th
1827-1829
213
3
85
...
...
128
...
...
21st
1829-1831
213
3
...
71
...
142
...
...
22nd
1831-1833
213
3
...
83
...
130
...
...
23rd
1833-1835
240
3
...
93
...
147
...
...
24th
1835-1837
242
4
...
98
...
144
...
...
25th
1837-1839
242
3
...
115
...
117
10
...
26th
1839-1841
242
3
...
132
...
103
6
...
27th
1841-1843
242
3
...
132
...
103
6
...
28th
1843-1845
223
3
...
81
...
142
...
...
29th
1845-1847
225
2
...
78
...
141
6
...
30th
1847-1849
227
1
...
115
...
108
4
...
31st
1849-1851
227
2
...
111
...
116
...
...
32nd
1851-1853
233
4
...
88
...
140
5
...
33rd
1853-1855
234
7
...
71
...
159
4
...
34th
1855-1857
234
7
...
...

108

83
43
...
35th
1857-1859
237
7
...
...
92
131
14
...
36th
1859-1861
237
5
...
...
113
101
23
...
37th
1861-1863
178
7
...
...
106
42
28
2
38th
1863-1865
183
10
...
...
103
80
...
...
39th
1865-1867
191
9
...
...
145
46
...
...
40th
1867-1869
193
8
...
...
143
49
...
1
41st
1869-1871
243
9
...
...
170
73
...
...
42nd
1871-1873
243
10
...
...
139
104
...
...
43rd
1873-1875
293
10
...
...
203
88
...
2
44th
1875-1877
293
9
...
...
107
181
3
2
45th
1877-1879
293
8
...
...
137
156
...
...
46th
1879-1881
293
8
...
...
128
150
14
1
47th
1881-1883
293
8
...
...
152
130
11
...
48th
1883-1885
325
8
...
...
119
200
6
...
49th
1885-1887
325
8
...
...
140
182
2
1
50th
1887-1889
325
8
...
...
151
170
4
...
51st
1889-1891
330
9
...
...
173
156
1
...
52nd
1891-1893
333
4
...
...
88
231
14
...
53rd
1893-1895
357
4
...
...
126
220
8
...
54th
1895-1897
357
4
...
...
246
104
7
...
55th
1897-1899
357
3
...
...
206
134
16
1
56th
1899-1901
357
4
...
...
185
163
9
...
57th
1901-1903
357
5
...
...
198
153
5
1
58th
1903-1905
386
5
...
...
207
178
...
1
59th
1905-1907
386
6
...
...
250
136
...
...
60th
1907-1909
386
7
...
...
222
164
...
...
61st
1909-1911
391
6
...
...
219
172
...
...
62nd
1911-1913
391
6
...
...
162
228
1
...
63rd
1913-1915
435
4
...
...
127
290
18
...
64th
1915-1917
435
4
...
...
193
231
8
3
65th
1917-1919
435
4
...
...
215
214
6
...
66th
1919-1921
435
4
...
...
237
191
7
...
67th
1921-1923
435
4
...
...
300
132
1
2
68th
1923-1925
435
4
...
...
225
207
3
...
69th
1925-1927
435
4
...
...
247
183
5
...
70th
1927-1929
435
4
...
...
237
195
3
...
71st
1929-1931
435
4
...
...
267
163
1
4
72nd
1931-1933
435
4
...
...
218
216
1
...
73rd
1933-1935
435
4
...
...
117
313
5
...
74th
1935-1937
435
4
...
...
103
322
10
...
75th
1937-1939
435
4
...
...
89
333
13
...
76th
1939-1941
435
4
...
...
169
262
4
...
77th
1941-1943
435
4
...
...
162
267
6
...
78th
1943-1945
435
4
...
...
209
222
4
...
79th
1945-1947
435
4
...
...
190
243
2
...
80th
1947-1949
435
3
...
...
246
188
1
...
81st
1949-1951
435
3
...
...
171
263
1
...
82nd
1951-1953
435
3
...
...
199
234
2
...
83rd
1953-1955
435
3
...
...
221
213
1
...
84th
1955-1957
435
3
...
...
203
232
...
...
85th
1957-1959
435
3
...
...
201
234
...
...
86th
1959-1961
437
1
...
...
153
283
...
...
87th
1961-1963
437
1
...
...
175
262
...
...
88th
1963-1965
435
1
...
...
176
258
...
1
89th
1965-1967
435
1
...
...
140
295
...
...
90th
1967-1969
435
1
...
...
187
248
...
...
91st
1969-1971
435
1
...
...
192
243
...
...
92nd
1971-1973
435
2
...
...
180
255
...
...
93rd
1973-1975
435
4
...
...
192
242
1
...
94th
1975-1977
435
4
...
...
144
291
...
...
95th
1977-1979
435
4
...
...
143
292
...
...
96th
1979-1981
435
4
...
...
158
277
...
...
97th
1981-1983
435
5
...
...
192
243
...
...
98th
1983-1985
435
5
...
...
167
268
...
...
99th
1985-1987
435
5
...
...
182
253
...
...
100th
1987-1989
435
5
...
...
177
258
...
...
101st
1989-1991
435
5
...
...
175
260
...
...
102nd
1991-1993
435
5
...
...
167
267
1
...
103rd
1993-1995
435
5
...
...
176
258
1
...
104th
1995-1997
435
5
...
...
230
204
1
...
105th
1997-1999
435
5
...
...
228
206
1
...
106th
1999-2001
435
5
...
...
223
211
1
...
107th
2001-2003
435
5
...
...
221
212
2
...
108th
2003-2005
435
5
...
...
228
205
1
1

a Delegates from the 57th through the 85th Congresses and the 90th through the present Congresses include the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.

b Delegates in the 86th through the 89th Congress are in each case the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.

Source: Biographical Directory of the U.S. Congress


546 posted on 12/11/2003 8:51:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for posting that table. I thought of posting it, but it seemed too large.

Aren't some of those numbers incredible? And to think, we should be able to do what dems did over 70 years in three years. Remember the 107th senate mess with Jeffords giving the senate to the dems, etc? They are desperate to do anything. And, by passing CFR, hopefully more people will wake up to what's really going on with their elected officials. I know we are desperately trying to oust feingold here, looks like he might have a little trouble in the next election. I hope so.

547 posted on 12/11/2003 9:31:29 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Jim Robinson
I wonder if you're familiar with the Lakota tribal wisdom that says that when you discover you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount. You however seem to be urging the policy followed in many more progressive organisations, where more creative strategies for dead horses are used, including the following;

* Buying a stronger whip.
* Changing riders.
* Saying things like, "This is the way we always have ridden this horse."
* Appointing a committee to study the horse.
* Arranging to visit other companies to see how they ride dead horses.
* Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
* Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
* Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
* Issue a memo declaring that "This horse is not dead."
* Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
* Change the performance requirements for horses.
* Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.

It's dead, Jim.
548 posted on 12/11/2003 9:39:35 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: IronJack
LOL..Loved your post # 6 :):)
549 posted on 12/11/2003 9:48:17 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: little jeremiah
I see troubled times ahead, what about thou?

This is only the beginning, sad to say. I sure hope you and I are wrong.

550 posted on 12/11/2003 9:51:29 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I will never again support the two party hydra.

Congratulations on your newfound freedom. You will never be sorry for voting your conscience and for the principals that you believe in. To stand against the crowd is a lonely adventure but one that is full of reward. Your highest reward will come when you take stock of yourself and know,that to yourself you have been true.

You will not be taking part in any victory celebrations but, as a rule,they are nothing but hollow promises and empty bluster. A wasted moment in the history of a decaying nation. So, welcome to the cold, breathe deep, the air out here is clean.

There are those who will tell you that you are not living in the real world...they are wrong. They think that by following men who would build a nation using the tools of chicanery and stratagem they will gain their goals, not realizing their ship is afloat on rotten timbers and the rugged reefs of reality will cast them away on a shore of desolation.

The buzzards are gathering and elections will not be the end of this thing.

551 posted on 12/11/2003 10:04:53 PM PST by meanspirit77
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To: DreamWeaver
I am hoping that the troubled times that are happening now (and likely to increase) are like a healing crisis in a patient with a grave illness. Sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better. Or like a drug addict or alcoholic - they say that sometimes addicts have to "hit bottom" before they make the changes needed to climb out.

There isn't one aspect of social or political life that seems healthy - some areas worse than others. One thing I constantly remember - the world isn't meant to be a playhouse, it's more of an educational institution. Or reform school!
552 posted on 12/11/2003 10:31:19 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Indy Pendance; Jim Robinson; FairOpinion
So, for the past three years, the republicans were supposed to turn around this liberal monster around. In three years? The majority of sheeple would not go for the removal of all their social welfare programs. The liberal monster has infiltrated all aspects of our society. I'm surprised after reviewing just how much power the Democrats had there are any conservatives left. We hung on to fight, and we should not quit after only 3 years of control.


You have mailed this exactly.What people do not want to recall is 1994 when Newt decided he had a a mandate to go whole hog. no, he had a mandate to bring order to the asylum and he failed to do this through hubris,miscalculation and his own persona facing himself.
The Dims did not get all they wanted in 3 years, you're correct, it took 30 from the New Deal to the Great society, and another 35 or so to reach this point, 3 to 4 generations ,minimum,It'll take that long to bring it back to a reasonable conservative balance.

Only fools or the immature expect drastic change at the drop of the political hat.

Good observations and excellant post.
553 posted on 12/12/2003 2:43:43 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: meanspirit77
Reeling them in, one fish at a time, eh? LOL

Don't know which one of you two is running a bigger scam on the other.
554 posted on 12/12/2003 3:06:44 AM PST by Jim Robinson (All your ZOT are belong to us.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Is Keyes running for a 2004 election?
555 posted on 12/12/2003 3:17:47 AM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: ambrose
Why isn't this posted in "Chat"?
556 posted on 12/12/2003 3:32:14 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: ambrose
...affirmed by a Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

That's a lie and you know it.

557 posted on 12/12/2003 3:43:29 AM PST by metesky (Kids, don't let this happen to you!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The first amendment says the congress shall make NO law abridging the right of the people to free speech, free press, and free assembly,

Where does it say anywhere about having a checkbook? That's what grinds my gears.....checkbook democracy. However has the checkbook has the ability to control the agenda. That's not free speech.....that's the power of money.

558 posted on 12/12/2003 3:53:02 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: Jim Robinson
There are two basic rolls for political activists.

The first is to elect the people most in tune with their views. Nothing happens until someone is elected. That means effective activists have to support candidates the voters will elect. Voting for losers to send a message sends the message that your vote and support is of no consequence.

The other and most important thing to recognize is that this is a nation of the people, for the people, and by the people. Thus to effect change one must get the support of the people.

The reason to run for office is to win. Running for office with the intent to lose has no meaning. So viable candidates will always try to appeal to a majority to voters. If a majority of the voters share your positions politicians will fight to do your will. IF they do not, politicians will fight to deny your will.

Activists in a minority position, as conservatives are, must first move enough voters to their position to effect a majority at the polls. When that is done candidates who agree with you in nearly all particulars will come out to the woodwork to run win and enact your agenda.

Winning candidates in the US always learn the views of the public first, and then adopt them to gain support.

As long as conservatives long for a leader who will buck public opinion to do "what is right" they will only endure defeat.

The key is to not try to run for office or even influence those that run for office. The key is to change public opinion.

While the right was putting its faith in the words in the constitution, the left was gaining control of the media, education, and the courts. They were able to do this because they gained majority support among the voters. Once they control the media, the schools and the courts the constitution is a worthless document. If you don't believe me ask Sandra Day O'Conner how that works in the case of CFR. She understands it perfectly.

The only way to reverse that is to gain public support, then take back the media, the schools and the courts. There have been just two oportunties in the last 20 years. The good news is we are using them both.

The first was the total decline in AM radio, such that those who control the media thought it was not worth anything. The right gained control of that medium and used it to garner millions to the cause. The second was the advent of the internet finally taking the monopoly of information control away from the left.

As these two media are used to change public opinions, things will change. No government can stand without public support. The absolute power fo the Soviet Union could not stand up to its weak, poor, and unarmed citizens when they refused to accept its authority. It fell. You would not think the Soviet Union's power would have collapsed when it lost the support of its lowly citizens, but it did. All nations governments exist and exercise power at the pleasure of its citizens. Goverments try very hard to hide that fact. But it is true. All governemnts get their power from the governed. When the governed take their power back, the goverment falls.

Here in the United states we have a representative republic. We can change the way our government rules with votes. Until we convert a majority of voters to our views, we will only fail.

So the goal must be two fold. First ELECT the best candidate we can ELECT. Not the one we like best... The best we can elect. But that is just a secondary goal. The primary goal is to change the minds of the bosses of this nation. The real rulers of this nation are the voters. Once we have a majority of them in our corner the fight is won.... until someone changes their minds again.

559 posted on 12/12/2003 6:07:53 AM PST by Common Tator (I support Billybob. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: metesky
affirmed by a Republican-controlled Supreme Court.
That's a lie and you know it

IIRC, 5 or 6 of the 9 were GOP appointments, so the phrase, while misleading, does have some truth.

560 posted on 12/12/2003 6:23:35 AM PST by Teacher317
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