Panel Rules Justice Moore Failed to Respect & Comply with Law; Judge removed from Supreme Court

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

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[exmarine]

I will have to admit I was wrong (I do that when I'm wrong - do you?) and grant you that some Christians did support slavery and some refused to fight for its eradication, however, some of these men may have had a blind spot. I do believe slavery was wrong. However, nowhere in the bible does it explicitly command people to FREE SLAVES, rather it says to LOVE THEM, because if you love a person, you will want to do right by them. Love covers a multitude of sins. Washington freed his. Undoubtedly, I agree that some Christians owned slaves, but I would contend that this was a blind spot for them, as some believed that it was God's will - perhaps the African nations were under judgment. Only God knows, however.

As men, our founders were flawed, not perfect, but they had more morality in their little finger than the moral relativists of today, who have no morals whatsoever other than those dictated by themselves or their ideology.

The Northwest Ordinance speaks for itself. So does the fact that it was Christians (first in England with Wilberforce, then in the U.S.) who took the lead in eradicating slavery. Simple facts.

[sharkhawk]

Anything after Changes in Attitude is Heresy, and is not part of the original church.

[exmarine]

Quite a few northern states especilly New York had large numbers of slaves.

But slavery was abolished in the northern states long before the civil war. Why? Christians.

[lugsoul]

From another thread:

"Thank God he's off the bench! Now we can run him for president. I don't care if he wants to invade France or wants to raise taxes to 90% across the board. I'll vote for him."

And folks question whether he is a snake oil salesman?

[Revel]

Now a question for you. If this issue had brought up before the courts in 1800,1850,1900, or even 1950 would the court have reached the same decision ?

If not then why ? Has something changed? From what -to what? Have we gone backwards or forward ? And how can you go forwards toarwd your founding principles ? Are we smarter than the polititions and judges from the past ? If so then why complain about anything at all. This web site was founded in order to get back to something. If there is no need then why are we here ?

[Doctor Stochastic]

It's certainly true that the anti-slavery movement was led by Christians (or at least post-Enlightenment non-Christians.) Jefferson didn't free his slaves (I think primarily because he couldn't afford the fees or some similar problem) but Washington did and (I think) Lee did.

Had there been statesmen of enough vision in the 1820-1860 time frame, the slaves could have been freed and the Civil War (and Reconstruction and devastation of the South rivaling that of the Mongols in the Middle East) possibly could have been avoided.

[Modernman]

Now a question for you. If this issue had brought up before the courts in 1800,1850,1900, or even 1950 would the court have reached the same decision ?

I don't know, nor do I really care. I live in 2003.

If the question of segregation was brought up in 1800, 1850, 1900 or even 1950 would the courts reach the right decision? Is the law frozen in time?

[Grando Calrissian]

I think the deeper question is, if a judge erected a statue of Jimmy Buffett at his local courthouse, would it need to be removed using the Moore precident?

[Labyrinthos]

You and your fellow RINOS do the Demorats a great service.

Oh I see, I'm a RINO because I believe in the rule of law, which has been the foundation of our constitutional republic for the last 200 years or so, and because I don't like practicing law before judges who leave the distinct and and not so subtle impression that justice might be a bit less just for those who don't practice the official religion of the court with the same passion as the chief nut job, I mean chief judge.

[huck von finn]

Don't be silly! They are being persecuted and thrown to the lions!

[Modernman]

I think the deeper question is, if a judge erected a statue of Jimmy Buffett at his local courthouse, would it need to be removed using the Moore precident?

Well, that depends on whether you were using Buffett as a religious figure or a secular figure. Having spent a lot of time in Key West and Margaritaville, I can certainly tell you that there is nothing religious going on there. Though, there is a rooftop bar called The Garden of Eden where you can do as Adam and Eve did.

[huck von finn]

He is?

I haven't seen that guy since I was a kid in St. Louis! HAHAHAHAHA!!! I can't believe it! Where are you?

[Doctor Stochastic]

More likely slavery was abolished in the North before in the South because of cotton. Both parts of the country were Christian.

[lugsoul]

Jawja. But when I watched him as a kid, I was over in 'Bama.

[xzins]

First, the Calvinist Scots are among the most revered by fundamentalist scotsmen. To say that no true scotsman is popular among the fundamentalists is simply uneducated.

Next, Galileo was a Christian who considered taking orders. What you really mean to say is that certain types of Christians persecuted Galileo.

I'm guessing he might well have been welcomed in the 1600's in northern Germany, Holland, or England.

[exmarine]

I think that Souter and his cohorts terribly misrepresented the 1st Amendment. I have a question for you and Souter: Why were prayers at graduations permitted for 200 years? If it was improper, why wasn't it stopped in 1800? Why did Congress publish the first bible in America? History is NOT on the side of Souter. That is for sure. What is the true precedent here? Why did some of the founding fathers give benedictions and even sermons at graduations?

[exmarine]

More likely slavery was abolished in the North before in the South because of cotton. Both parts of the country were Christian.

There is no doubt that there were many founders who were vehemently against slavery. Noah Webster, Gov. Morris, and many more. I do not think that these honorable men had an economic motive for wanting to be rid of slavery. Most of the Christian founders were motivated by their faith in God, not by money (all men are created equal according to God) - that is a lie and a myth being foisted upon university students that simply does not jive with their writings.

Clearly, the founders placed America under the sovereignty of the God of the bible. That is plain from reading the Declaration of Independence which acknowledges God is the giver of rights, not the state. Clearly, Both the church and the State were under God's sovereign authority. One motivation for the Constitution was to "SECURE" those God-given rights, not to subvert them as the rogue courts are doing today.