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Latest Romney Revelation Has Me Incredibly Angry
A Time For Choosing ^ | December 28, 2012 | Gary P. Jackson

Posted on 12/29/2012 3:45:16 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Just before the Christmas break the Boston Globe published a lengthy postmortem on Mitt Romney’s massive failure as a presidential candidate. Between this, and the constant hand-wringing by Geniuses of the GOP™, I think we have beaten this dead horse to a pulp, but there was one thing that came out of this article that has me as angry as I have ever been over a politician.

Before we get to that, let’s step back in time to 2008. Like 2012, the Republican Party didn’t exactly put forth an all-star field of candidates for voters to choose from. In the end it came down to Mitt Romney, Corupt-o-crat Mike Huckabee, and John McCain. With McCain in the lead, and on a bit of a winning streak, Romney did the right thing and bowed out. Huckabee hung on a little longer, for no particular reason. McCain became the nominee.

As you know, McCain had been running his campaign on a shoestring, at one point he was flying commercial and carrying his own bags. Obviously, the situation improved. But McCain was short of campaign staff, so here comes Mitt Romney and his people to the rescue. All well and good, so far. McCain still had problems and was down in the polls until he picked his running mate, Governor Sarah Palin. It was after Sarah was chosen that things picked up, considerably. Massive crowds started showing up, volunteers showed up to man local GOP offices, and money came pouring in. McCain’s choice of Governor Palin was brilliant.

Dishonest media hacks have tried to sell the lie that Governor Palin cost McCain the election, something many in the GOP, especially those loyal to Mitt Romney, have parroted non-stop for the past four years...

(Excerpt) Read more at thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com ...


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To: kjo

Not really two wings. We have one party with a subsidiary.


51 posted on 12/29/2012 7:04:17 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ought-six
So if you don't want to vote for Rubio, don't. No member of the RNC can force you to vote for someone you don't want to.

I thank you for your opinion about Palin--it's as valid as any at this point.

Like I said, my number one criteria is who can win. We must win, if there is another election.

But this brings us to another point, there are two themes that run through FR. One is to hate the Republican party and the other is to love Sarah Palin. NOW, if Palin runs for president, isn't she going to need a healthy, unified Republican party? So why would we deliberately weaken it? It's not in our own best interest.

52 posted on 12/29/2012 7:05:47 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Diogenesis
McCain took a fall in 2008. I can't determine if Ford lay down but he surely did not cherish winning. Now we find out that Romney threw it in, too. And Dole. And Bush 1 didn't want the job either. He won the first time and didn't have to do anything for it. Voters thought he was Reagan's third term.

Republicans are not interested in being President. It is too much of a hassle. They just want the honor of their perceived long service to be recognized by their party with a Nomination, They will fight like madmen get that nomination, but then, securing that, they go away.

53 posted on 12/29/2012 7:11:59 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I noticed that our Mormon neighbor didn’t put up any Christmas decorations this year. How have the Mormons reacted to Romney’s loss? It seems that some of them saw him as the fulfillment of prophesy.


54 posted on 12/29/2012 7:13:42 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: nathanbedford

I agree, and I hope that the issue of voter fraud is addressed in any forthcoming legitimate analysis.


55 posted on 12/29/2012 7:21:01 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

It’s not in our own best interest.

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Our own best interest is often times not the same as the national best interest. With political parties they encompass a large cross section from liberal to conservative. Often times the side that isn’t in the controlling group at the time plays a very small role in that years election effort.

2016 will provide an interesting primary season on both sides with no incumbent in the mix. Who knows what Biden will do but I don’t think he’ll be the democratic nominee.

The GOP is wide open but I’m sure some are building on their potential base as a place to start. Some allegiances probably will become more evident as the 2014 elections come into focus.

Have a good day.


56 posted on 12/29/2012 7:25:32 AM PST by deport
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To: McGavin999

Bingo.

I am sick and tired of hearing about Mitt Romney.

Talk about our go-forward candidates.


57 posted on 12/29/2012 7:27:24 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: deport
I am assuming that our own best interests is the same as the best interest of the country and as a matter of fact, it is.

I am a total blank slate as to who I want, or don't want for a candidate. I couldn't care less, there's no point, I'm never right.

I'll be taking a new tactic this year, I only care about defeating the RAT and I'll take whichever one is the most likely to win. I know, I have no principles but I defy anyone to come up with a more noble principle than defeating RATS. We must do the best we can.

58 posted on 12/29/2012 7:30:12 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: BipolarBob
I too suspect voting fraud. But the GOP refuses to say anything about it, let alone demand an investigation.

This will simply embolden the dem’s to try it again, and on a larger scale next time.

59 posted on 12/29/2012 7:52:31 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Timber Rattler; heye2monn
Resigning as governor was not a mistake

I agree 100%. Even George Washington was a believer in strategic retreat when necessary. It's a time honored tactic in politics and war, and clearly it was the right thing for her to do under the circumstances. It was the only way she could keep her promise to serve the interests of the people of Alaska. Staying on to become an immobilized figurehead, just because it would enhance her long term political aspirations, would have been slouching into the typical political narcissism that is destroying the rest of the GOP. That courageous, unselfish act sets her apart as more qualified for office than any other recent contenders, including the current resident of the WH. It is one of the best things on her resume.

Yet we, who built the party of stupid (yes, it takes folks like us to empower the GOPe), are still wringing our hands over it like it would mean anything negative to the vast majority of voters. Idiocy. Most folks I talk to, even here in deep blue IL, get it, way better than the echo chamber here at FR. The ordinary voters most affected by it seem (to me) to be those who already despise her. We could roll through this boogieman objection like it was nothing but a morning mist, if we only had the courage of our convictions.

Because we here at FR and other concentrations of conservative thinking and activism are the difference makers. The left knows this. There's a reason they send the trolls and other witting and unwitting disinformationists here. If they block us, through discouragement or misinformation or whatever else, then they block multiplied thousands of others. Think force multiplier. What we think here matters, and we need to not let them keep telling us who we can run and who we can't, unless of course we really want to keep losing.

60 posted on 12/29/2012 7:52:58 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ought-six

I like Governor Palin. She was attacked and demonized relentlessly by “friend” and “foe” alike. Not expecting
“Katie” Cupcake’s ambush was a mistake Palin’s not likely to wander into again. (It was the result of an open and honest person who likes people and expects honesty and openness from them - a mistake when it comes to “Cupcake” Couric). I’d like to see her beat Hillary or Michelle either one.

The “fix” was in for Democrat/Marxist Obama from the first. Our first clue was probably when interviewers threw him softball questions such as, “Is your cushion comfy, Sir?” with absolutely no real questions about anything of substance.

One major challenge for Sarah is her family, especially the limelight-loving Bristol who seems to be going to be in the spotlight no matter what; but Sarah handles that with love and grace, which works wonders. Not even the most cultured and sophisticated politician is immune from that factor.


61 posted on 12/29/2012 8:08:22 AM PST by Twinkie (The WICKED walk on every side when EVIL men are exalted. Psalm 12:8)
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To: wintertime

Wrong. She made her decision before the deadline - so it was not too late. Do you really get behind a candidate before the debates?


62 posted on 12/29/2012 8:10:27 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is a great analogy. But you know what’s crazy? Democrats say the same kind of thing. If you go over to DU or KOS after they lose a big election, they sound just like we do. They picture themselves as some kind of ragtag resistance fighting an unbeatable machine just like we do.


63 posted on 12/29/2012 8:15:54 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: OldPossum

Don’t harass the little phone callers; they are minimum-wage apolitical people who have not yet “won” life’s lottery, as the liberals might say. Or may be “low-information” voters themselves. I would suspect a lot of them are not registered at all and are not Republicans. There’s a large likelihood that they would not even understand your criticism.


64 posted on 12/29/2012 8:26:53 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Twinkie

Palin was originally quite naive about journalists.

Now she has her head wired on harder than anyone else.

I believe Palin’s decision was right for her and appropriate. She had a couple daughters still to young. Obama put himself above the good of his daughters. That is his decision and he will deal with it.

Palin did not. And she is dealing with other things now.

I sincerely hope Palin stands forward this time.

And soon.

We need help.


65 posted on 12/29/2012 8:28:00 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Actually, Romney has hardly been mentioned since Nov. 7. It turns out he was not serious about winning because he thought he was winning easily; he would have known otherwise had he been serious. Does that make sense?


66 posted on 12/29/2012 8:29:27 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This article is so dumb. Just dumb. Because it delves into personality politics -- and that's not our game. Conservatism wins everywhere it's tried -- to borrow a phrase.

"It was after Sarah Romney was chosen that things picked up, considerably. Massive crowds started showing up, volunteers showed up to man local GOP offices, and money came pouring in."

He had massive crowds, money, volunteers -- didn't make a whit of diff.

The game is now about Democrats having endless weeks on end to ship low-info voters to the polls. Period.

Fix that, and it's game on again...

67 posted on 12/29/2012 8:29:42 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Fiction is stranger than fiction...)
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To: Twinkie
It was the result of an open and honest person who likes people and expects honesty and openness from them - a mistake when it comes to “Cupcake” Couric

Actually, the Couric thing was NOT a mistake on Palin's part---she was blatantly lied to by that harpy Nicolle Wallace, who promised her that Couric would be an easy series of interviews.

Now, Wallace had previously worked for Couric and McCain had foisted her on Palin as the VP candidate's campaign chief of staff, and so at that time, Palin had every reason to believe that Wallace had fixed things up with Couric.

Of course, as it happened, Couric sandbagged Palin repeatedly, stalked her from event to event, and then hacked up the interview footage to make the Governor look like an idiot. From that point forward, Palin distrusted Wallace and the other professional GOP staffers who were assigned to her.

It's all recounted in Going Rogue.

68 posted on 12/29/2012 8:37:37 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: StAnDeliver

Romney’s crowds in 2012 were only a fraction of what Palin’s were in 2008.


69 posted on 12/29/2012 8:39:43 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: wintertime
her many supporters ( and she knew of their existence) did not organize around another candidate.

There was no one candidate like her to organize around. And stop blaming Sarah for such cr*ppy candidates. I supported Newt and found out she did, also, and certainly wasn't surprised about it. It really was a no brainer to common sense conservatives.

70 posted on 12/29/2012 8:49:07 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: heye2monn
She failed to take five minutes to prepare for the Katie Cupcakes interview and failed to complete her term as governor.

Ya and need to read how they were almost 1/2 mil in debt defending themselves from frivolous lawsuits, you and I may have taken a powder too. The Couric Interview? It was more like a back stage ambush from the film footage I saw. If Sarah knew it was coming I'll agree with you. At a bare mininum she should have taken 10 minutes to decompress as if my memory was correct, she got off stage after a long day and all it's effects..,

71 posted on 12/29/2012 8:50:41 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: RitchieAprile

You are talking 50 years ago. Sarah wasn’t even born then.


72 posted on 12/29/2012 8:55:50 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: nathanbedford

Pure and simple....voter fraud. I’m probably going to get flamed a little but I do believe we had this thing won. It’s amazing how quiet the pollsters who were predicting Romney went after the loss.. Especially when he lost the states needing no voter I.D. They all knew what happened yet they can’t put their reputations on the line without irrefutable evidence that only the Dems have, on how they “secured” enough votes to win.
If we do not change voting laws we do NOT change outcomes...


73 posted on 12/29/2012 8:58:29 AM PST by oust the louse (Obamacare has morphed into a tax on staying alive.)
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To: Mountain Mary; heye2monn; Coldwater Creek

If she ever runs, don’t vote for her. The clueless will surely repeat what they media wants them to repeat. You should be happy with your ‘never did anything right’ president you have now.


74 posted on 12/29/2012 9:13:59 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: MissMagnolia

BTTT!


75 posted on 12/29/2012 9:15:18 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Separating out "Romney people" from "Bush people" and "McCain people" and other Republican campaign professionals isn't easy.

It looks like he's built a good case against Kevin Madden who worked for Romney in 2008, but a lot of the badmouthing of Palin came from McCain loyalists who found it convenient to blame Romneyites for it after the election.

It's perverse to acknowledge the responsibility of McCain loyalists Schmidt and Wallace for undermining Palin and then try to make out that it was the Romney people who were "really" behind the talk.

The people he's talking about are "professionals," i.e. mercenaries. They work for those who have money and a plausible shot at winning. They aren't "liberals" who hate "conservatives."

Given a "conservative" candidate who had a shot at winning they might well support that candidate. Apparently they didn't think Palin would run or hire them or win, and they weren't wrong about that.

I'd counsel against taking this latest "Romney revelation" to seriously. What somebody "really" wants or doesn't want is a matter of interpretation. It's a matter of degree.

Romney pretty clearly didn't have the killer instinct. He didn't want to win in November at any cost (though he did relish fighting Gingrich and Santorum in the primaries).

Maybe, like other candidates down through the years, he would have stepped aside if someone more qualified were in the race -- not necessarily a bad thing. But that doesn't mean he wasn't in the race to win it or that he intentionally intended in advance to mount a losing campaign.

76 posted on 12/29/2012 9:21:52 AM PST by x
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To: BipolarBob

I agree. Yet those in the know, will be looking for some strategy to fix things but they don’t even know/look at the obvious. The other side did over kill and they are still clueless. So much for common sense.


77 posted on 12/29/2012 9:23:28 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Timber Rattler; Conservativegreatgrandma
These Romney sycophants pushed every bogus story that came out about Governor Palin, and made up a few themselves. We know why Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace spread such malicious lies about the Governor, they were trying to save their own worthless reputations. What the Romney people did was just as despicable. They were hoping to harm Governor Palin’s reputation to the point she wouldn’t be a viable candidate in the future. All to pave the way for Mitt.

Exactly. We knew it when it was happening and some are asking NOW how would anyone know that. Amazing!

78 posted on 12/29/2012 9:32:48 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Palin was originally quite naive about journalists.

I'd say you are quite naive about Sarah! She was a journalists but not a devious one. She was around them, so she knew them.

So stop with the Sarah daggers! Embrace your president, he likes those who take shots at conservatives as do rino's. You are under one umbrella.

Don't concern yourself with Sarah - she is covered. She takes her direction from God, not man.

79 posted on 12/29/2012 9:53:55 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: wintertime
That Palin took so long to announce that she was not going to run meant that her many supporters ( and she knew of their existence) did not organize around another candidate.

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If anybody but palin had jerked his/her supporters around for so long and so publically (the half-a bus tour, the faux announcements), and continued to ask for PAC money right up to 24 hours before saying, "I'm not in" then everyone here would rightfully argue that the person was a manipulative charlatan.

palin showed her colors when she quit six weeks after the announcement that she had been paid a hefty advance to write her book. Being governor was getting in the way of her media career (which is the only career she has genuinely pursued since 7/09).

It astounded me then that so many here clung to the FR created image of palin while ignoring all her real-world choices and actions. It astounds me still that for many this remains their modus operandi in all things palin.

80 posted on 12/29/2012 9:56:04 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: presently no screen name

Shut Up! You have NO idea who I vote for. I love Gov. Palin, just not for POTUS.


81 posted on 12/29/2012 10:11:38 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: heye2monn
Palin — [...] failed to complete her term as governor.

Harassed out of office by enemy lawsuits, more like.

I don't blame her one bit for resigning, it was the honorable thing to do under the circumstances. She was compelled to respond to the lawsuits and was taken away from devoting the proper time and attention to the office of governor.

82 posted on 12/29/2012 10:29:36 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Shut Up!

Thanks for confirming I hit a nerve.

I love Gov. Palin, just not for POTUS.

Your love is as surface as you are.

You have NO idea who I vote for

I could care less who you vote for and but I do know your vote wouldn't come from common sense!

83 posted on 12/29/2012 10:47:30 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: ansel12

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republican voters say Alaska Governor Sarah Palin helped John McCain’s bid for the presidency, even as news reports surface that some McCain staffers think she was a liability.


Perhaps she was a liability to their endeavor to throw the race...


84 posted on 12/29/2012 11:38:56 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop)
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To: wtc911
palin showed her colors when she quit six weeks after the announcement that she had been paid a hefty advance to write her book. Being governor was getting in the way of her media career (which is the only career she has genuinely pursued since 7/09).

Ah, one of the original PDS'ers finally rears his head, spouting the same old lie. Haven't seen you for a while...

Here's the truth...

Palin Points to "Strange Doings" With WH's Rouse

Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, And The Cost Of Fighting Chicago Thug Politics


85 posted on 12/29/2012 11:40:24 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
Ah, one of the original PDS'ers finally rears his head, spouting the same old lie...

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Show me the lie in what I wrote...here's the part you quoted, to make it easy for you...

"palin showed her colors when she quit six weeks after the announcement that she had been paid a hefty advance to write her book. Being governor was getting in the way of her media career (which is the only career she has genuinely pursued since 7/09)".

Go ahead...show the lie in that statement.

86 posted on 12/29/2012 12:16:57 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

Ther lie is your need to treat interpretation as fact.


87 posted on 12/29/2012 1:05:31 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I’ll be taking a new tactic this year, I only care about defeating the RAT and I’ll take whichever one is the most likely to win.

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That’s pretty much the approach I take as I want to defeat the ‘crats and get the control of future out of their hands. The most likely to win isn’t always the most conservative but I’ll still take them over a ‘crat any day.

Take care and have a great 2013.


88 posted on 12/29/2012 1:32:45 PM PST by deport
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To: wtc911
Go ahead...show the lie in that statement.

Your whole sentence is a lie.

89 posted on 12/29/2012 1:35:52 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Honestly, I didn’t think Sarah did all that wrong in that “interview” (inquisition) with Couric. “Katie” just got hold of a bone and fought over it until really, SHE was the one who looked silly. Sarah just simply didn’t have a long list of liberal rags (”newspapers”) to spiel off when “Katie” demanded it. I doubt most of us could spout off everything we read last week. The “Alaska Gazette” would just be fodder for Cupcake’s ridicule.

These “journalists” have, through their malfeasance and ignorance, foisted the biggest fraud and fakir on this country in our lifetimes.


90 posted on 12/29/2012 2:43:17 PM PST by Twinkie (The WICKED walk on every side when EVIL men are exalted. Psalm 12:8)
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To: Timber Rattler

Prove it. You can’t.


91 posted on 12/29/2012 2:45:55 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911; Timber Rattler; Louis Foxwell; ought-six; hope

Your lie is extraordinary.

Palin is the most influential republican politician in America, she is doing more to reshape the office holders in America, to her individual liking, from the Congress, to the Senate, to Governorships like Sanchez and Haley, than any other politician in America.

Not only did she play a role in about 60 races in the history making victories of 2010, but in this election, while you Romney lefties were having your head handed to you, Palin gave us our only Senate pick-up with Deb Fischer, and gave us Ted Cruz of Texas over Dewhurst, Palin had a good election.


92 posted on 12/29/2012 2:48:21 PM PST by ansel12
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To: wtc911

Heh...you want me to prove your negative?


93 posted on 12/29/2012 2:49:30 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Really? What interpretation?

palin's million dollar advance book deal was announced in May of 2009 (fact). The book was to be ready for publication in less than a year (fact). She quit in July 2009 (fact). She has not run for any political office since then (fact). She has focused since quitting not on political office but on energetically pursuing a career in media - books, TV, FOX, paid speaking engagements...(fact).

Show me what's not true...go ahead, I am all ears.

Actions speak louder than words. She led you fools down the garden path.

94 posted on 12/29/2012 2:52:56 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Timber Rattler
May 2009 - palin million dollar advance book deal announced.

July 2009 - palin quit.

Elected office that palin has run for since quitting - none.

Media career moves that palin has made since quitting...TV reality show, FOX gig, another book, paid speaking gigs, PAC money gathering despite not running for anything.

You were had chump...big time...how much of your money did she get?

95 posted on 12/29/2012 2:57:01 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Romney is politically dead—he’s no threat to anyone.

Then you can quit defending him, we need to make sure that he has no influence on republican politics.

You can help us increase and promote the influence that Governor Palin has on the GOP.

I'm sure that we can count on your enthusiastic support in those two goals, of course that would mean a reversal of the role that you are playing on this thread.

96 posted on 12/29/2012 3:00:11 PM PST by ansel12
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many of us Palin supporters saw this happening as it happened and were furious about it but no one would listen. And even with all the grass roots backing, she decided NOT to run. Well now we have no more choices so I guess the Rino and the dems win because they have joined forces against us.


97 posted on 12/29/2012 3:07:25 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: blueunicorn6

some of the Mormons think the world will end 12/31


98 posted on 12/29/2012 3:29:32 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Leaning Right; Toespi; BipolarBob
I too suspect voting fraud. But the GOP refuses to say anything about it, let alone demand an investigation.

This will simply embolden the dem’s to try it again, and on a larger scale next time.

Bingo! We have a winner.


99 posted on 12/29/2012 3:49:05 PM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: Timber Rattler
I was at West Chester '08 and West Chester '12 and they were identical. SMD.
100 posted on 12/29/2012 4:28:15 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Fiction is stranger than fiction...)
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