Posted on 12/29/2012 3:45:16 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Just before the Christmas break the Boston Globe published a lengthy postmortem on Mitt Romney’s massive failure as a presidential candidate. Between this, and the constant hand-wringing by Geniuses of the GOP™, I think we have beaten this dead horse to a pulp, but there was one thing that came out of this article that has me as angry as I have ever been over a politician.
Before we get to that, let’s step back in time to 2008. Like 2012, the Republican Party didn’t exactly put forth an all-star field of candidates for voters to choose from. In the end it came down to Mitt Romney, Corupt-o-crat Mike Huckabee, and John McCain. With McCain in the lead, and on a bit of a winning streak, Romney did the right thing and bowed out. Huckabee hung on a little longer, for no particular reason. McCain became the nominee.
As you know, McCain had been running his campaign on a shoestring, at one point he was flying commercial and carrying his own bags. Obviously, the situation improved. But McCain was short of campaign staff, so here comes Mitt Romney and his people to the rescue. All well and good, so far. McCain still had problems and was down in the polls until he picked his running mate, Governor Sarah Palin. It was after Sarah was chosen that things picked up, considerably. Massive crowds started showing up, volunteers showed up to man local GOP offices, and money came pouring in. McCain’s choice of Governor Palin was brilliant.
Dishonest media hacks have tried to sell the lie that Governor Palin cost McCain the election, something many in the GOP, especially those loyal to Mitt Romney, have parroted non-stop for the past four years...
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Not really two wings. We have one party with a subsidiary.
I thank you for your opinion about Palin--it's as valid as any at this point.
Like I said, my number one criteria is who can win. We must win, if there is another election.
But this brings us to another point, there are two themes that run through FR. One is to hate the Republican party and the other is to love Sarah Palin. NOW, if Palin runs for president, isn't she going to need a healthy, unified Republican party? So why would we deliberately weaken it? It's not in our own best interest.
Republicans are not interested in being President. It is too much of a hassle. They just want the honor of their perceived long service to be recognized by their party with a Nomination, They will fight like madmen get that nomination, but then, securing that, they go away.
I noticed that our Mormon neighbor didn’t put up any Christmas decorations this year. How have the Mormons reacted to Romney’s loss? It seems that some of them saw him as the fulfillment of prophesy.
I agree, and I hope that the issue of voter fraud is addressed in any forthcoming legitimate analysis.
It’s not in our own best interest.
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Our own best interest is often times not the same as the national best interest. With political parties they encompass a large cross section from liberal to conservative. Often times the side that isn’t in the controlling group at the time plays a very small role in that years election effort.
2016 will provide an interesting primary season on both sides with no incumbent in the mix. Who knows what Biden will do but I don’t think he’ll be the democratic nominee.
The GOP is wide open but I’m sure some are building on their potential base as a place to start. Some allegiances probably will become more evident as the 2014 elections come into focus.
Have a good day.
Bingo.
I am sick and tired of hearing about Mitt Romney.
Talk about our go-forward candidates.
I am a total blank slate as to who I want, or don't want for a candidate. I couldn't care less, there's no point, I'm never right.
I'll be taking a new tactic this year, I only care about defeating the RAT and I'll take whichever one is the most likely to win. I know, I have no principles but I defy anyone to come up with a more noble principle than defeating RATS. We must do the best we can.
This will simply embolden the dem’s to try it again, and on a larger scale next time.
I agree 100%. Even George Washington was a believer in strategic retreat when necessary. It's a time honored tactic in politics and war, and clearly it was the right thing for her to do under the circumstances. It was the only way she could keep her promise to serve the interests of the people of Alaska. Staying on to become an immobilized figurehead, just because it would enhance her long term political aspirations, would have been slouching into the typical political narcissism that is destroying the rest of the GOP. That courageous, unselfish act sets her apart as more qualified for office than any other recent contenders, including the current resident of the WH. It is one of the best things on her resume.
Yet we, who built the party of stupid (yes, it takes folks like us to empower the GOPe), are still wringing our hands over it like it would mean anything negative to the vast majority of voters. Idiocy. Most folks I talk to, even here in deep blue IL, get it, way better than the echo chamber here at FR. The ordinary voters most affected by it seem (to me) to be those who already despise her. We could roll through this boogieman objection like it was nothing but a morning mist, if we only had the courage of our convictions.
Because we here at FR and other concentrations of conservative thinking and activism are the difference makers. The left knows this. There's a reason they send the trolls and other witting and unwitting disinformationists here. If they block us, through discouragement or misinformation or whatever else, then they block multiplied thousands of others. Think force multiplier. What we think here matters, and we need to not let them keep telling us who we can run and who we can't, unless of course we really want to keep losing.
I like Governor Palin. She was attacked and demonized relentlessly by “friend” and “foe” alike. Not expecting
“Katie” Cupcake’s ambush was a mistake Palin’s not likely to wander into again. (It was the result of an open and honest person who likes people and expects honesty and openness from them - a mistake when it comes to “Cupcake” Couric). I’d like to see her beat Hillary or Michelle either one.
The “fix” was in for Democrat/Marxist Obama from the first. Our first clue was probably when interviewers threw him softball questions such as, “Is your cushion comfy, Sir?” with absolutely no real questions about anything of substance.
One major challenge for Sarah is her family, especially the limelight-loving Bristol who seems to be going to be in the spotlight no matter what; but Sarah handles that with love and grace, which works wonders. Not even the most cultured and sophisticated politician is immune from that factor.
Wrong. She made her decision before the deadline - so it was not too late. Do you really get behind a candidate before the debates?
That is a great analogy. But you know what’s crazy? Democrats say the same kind of thing. If you go over to DU or KOS after they lose a big election, they sound just like we do. They picture themselves as some kind of ragtag resistance fighting an unbeatable machine just like we do.
Don’t harass the little phone callers; they are minimum-wage apolitical people who have not yet “won” life’s lottery, as the liberals might say. Or may be “low-information” voters themselves. I would suspect a lot of them are not registered at all and are not Republicans. There’s a large likelihood that they would not even understand your criticism.
Palin was originally quite naive about journalists.
Now she has her head wired on harder than anyone else.
I believe Palin’s decision was right for her and appropriate. She had a couple daughters still to young. Obama put himself above the good of his daughters. That is his decision and he will deal with it.
Palin did not. And she is dealing with other things now.
I sincerely hope Palin stands forward this time.
And soon.
We need help.
Actually, Romney has hardly been mentioned since Nov. 7. It turns out he was not serious about winning because he thought he was winning easily; he would have known otherwise had he been serious. Does that make sense?
"It was after Sarah Romney was chosen that things picked up, considerably. Massive crowds started showing up, volunteers showed up to man local GOP offices, and money came pouring in."
He had massive crowds, money, volunteers -- didn't make a whit of diff.
The game is now about Democrats having endless weeks on end to ship low-info voters to the polls. Period.
Fix that, and it's game on again...
Actually, the Couric thing was NOT a mistake on Palin's part---she was blatantly lied to by that harpy Nicolle Wallace, who promised her that Couric would be an easy series of interviews.
Now, Wallace had previously worked for Couric and McCain had foisted her on Palin as the VP candidate's campaign chief of staff, and so at that time, Palin had every reason to believe that Wallace had fixed things up with Couric.
Of course, as it happened, Couric sandbagged Palin repeatedly, stalked her from event to event, and then hacked up the interview footage to make the Governor look like an idiot. From that point forward, Palin distrusted Wallace and the other professional GOP staffers who were assigned to her.
It's all recounted in Going Rogue.
Romney’s crowds in 2012 were only a fraction of what Palin’s were in 2008.
There was no one candidate like her to organize around. And stop blaming Sarah for such cr*ppy candidates. I supported Newt and found out she did, also, and certainly wasn't surprised about it. It really was a no brainer to common sense conservatives.
Ya and need to read how they were almost 1/2 mil in debt defending themselves from frivolous lawsuits, you and I may have taken a powder too. The Couric Interview? It was more like a back stage ambush from the film footage I saw. If Sarah knew it was coming I'll agree with you. At a bare mininum she should have taken 10 minutes to decompress as if my memory was correct, she got off stage after a long day and all it's effects..,
You are talking 50 years ago. Sarah wasn’t even born then.
Pure and simple....voter fraud. I’m probably going to get flamed a little but I do believe we had this thing won. It’s amazing how quiet the pollsters who were predicting Romney went after the loss.. Especially when he lost the states needing no voter I.D. They all knew what happened yet they can’t put their reputations on the line without irrefutable evidence that only the Dems have, on how they “secured” enough votes to win.
If we do not change voting laws we do NOT change outcomes...
If she ever runs, don’t vote for her. The clueless will surely repeat what they media wants them to repeat. You should be happy with your ‘never did anything right’ president you have now.
BTTT!
It looks like he's built a good case against Kevin Madden who worked for Romney in 2008, but a lot of the badmouthing of Palin came from McCain loyalists who found it convenient to blame Romneyites for it after the election.
It's perverse to acknowledge the responsibility of McCain loyalists Schmidt and Wallace for undermining Palin and then try to make out that it was the Romney people who were "really" behind the talk.
The people he's talking about are "professionals," i.e. mercenaries. They work for those who have money and a plausible shot at winning. They aren't "liberals" who hate "conservatives."
Given a "conservative" candidate who had a shot at winning they might well support that candidate. Apparently they didn't think Palin would run or hire them or win, and they weren't wrong about that.
I'd counsel against taking this latest "Romney revelation" to seriously. What somebody "really" wants or doesn't want is a matter of interpretation. It's a matter of degree.
Romney pretty clearly didn't have the killer instinct. He didn't want to win in November at any cost (though he did relish fighting Gingrich and Santorum in the primaries).
Maybe, like other candidates down through the years, he would have stepped aside if someone more qualified were in the race -- not necessarily a bad thing. But that doesn't mean he wasn't in the race to win it or that he intentionally intended in advance to mount a losing campaign.
I agree. Yet those in the know, will be looking for some strategy to fix things but they don’t even know/look at the obvious. The other side did over kill and they are still clueless. So much for common sense.
Exactly. We knew it when it was happening and some are asking NOW how would anyone know that. Amazing!
I'd say you are quite naive about Sarah! She was a journalists but not a devious one. She was around them, so she knew them.
So stop with the Sarah daggers! Embrace your president, he likes those who take shots at conservatives as do rino's. You are under one umbrella.
Don't concern yourself with Sarah - she is covered. She takes her direction from God, not man.
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If anybody but palin had jerked his/her supporters around for so long and so publically (the half-a bus tour, the faux announcements), and continued to ask for PAC money right up to 24 hours before saying, "I'm not in" then everyone here would rightfully argue that the person was a manipulative charlatan.
palin showed her colors when she quit six weeks after the announcement that she had been paid a hefty advance to write her book. Being governor was getting in the way of her media career (which is the only career she has genuinely pursued since 7/09).
It astounded me then that so many here clung to the FR created image of palin while ignoring all her real-world choices and actions. It astounds me still that for many this remains their modus operandi in all things palin.
Shut Up! You have NO idea who I vote for. I love Gov. Palin, just not for POTUS.
Harassed out of office by enemy lawsuits, more like.
I don't blame her one bit for resigning, it was the honorable thing to do under the circumstances. She was compelled to respond to the lawsuits and was taken away from devoting the proper time and attention to the office of governor.
Thanks for confirming I hit a nerve.
I love Gov. Palin, just not for POTUS.
Your love is as surface as you are.
You have NO idea who I vote for
I could care less who you vote for and but I do know your vote wouldn't come from common sense!
Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republican voters say Alaska Governor Sarah Palin helped John McCain’s bid for the presidency, even as news reports surface that some McCain staffers think she was a liability.
Perhaps she was a liability to their endeavor to throw the race...
Ah, one of the original PDS'ers finally rears his head, spouting the same old lie. Haven't seen you for a while...
Here's the truth...
Palin Points to "Strange Doings" With WH's Rouse
Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, And The Cost Of Fighting Chicago Thug Politics
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Show me the lie in what I wrote...here's the part you quoted, to make it easy for you...
"palin showed her colors when she quit six weeks after the announcement that she had been paid a hefty advance to write her book. Being governor was getting in the way of her media career (which is the only career she has genuinely pursued since 7/09)".
Go ahead...show the lie in that statement.
Ther lie is your need to treat interpretation as fact.
I’ll be taking a new tactic this year, I only care about defeating the RAT and I’ll take whichever one is the most likely to win.
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That’s pretty much the approach I take as I want to defeat the ‘crats and get the control of future out of their hands. The most likely to win isn’t always the most conservative but I’ll still take them over a ‘crat any day.
Take care and have a great 2013.
Your whole sentence is a lie.
Honestly, I didn’t think Sarah did all that wrong in that “interview” (inquisition) with Couric. “Katie” just got hold of a bone and fought over it until really, SHE was the one who looked silly. Sarah just simply didn’t have a long list of liberal rags (”newspapers”) to spiel off when “Katie” demanded it. I doubt most of us could spout off everything we read last week. The “Alaska Gazette” would just be fodder for Cupcake’s ridicule.
These “journalists” have, through their malfeasance and ignorance, foisted the biggest fraud and fakir on this country in our lifetimes.
Prove it. You can’t.
Your lie is extraordinary.
Palin is the most influential republican politician in America, she is doing more to reshape the office holders in America, to her individual liking, from the Congress, to the Senate, to Governorships like Sanchez and Haley, than any other politician in America.
Not only did she play a role in about 60 races in the history making victories of 2010, but in this election, while you Romney lefties were having your head handed to you, Palin gave us our only Senate pick-up with Deb Fischer, and gave us Ted Cruz of Texas over Dewhurst, Palin had a good election.
Heh...you want me to prove your negative?
palin's million dollar advance book deal was announced in May of 2009 (fact). The book was to be ready for publication in less than a year (fact). She quit in July 2009 (fact). She has not run for any political office since then (fact). She has focused since quitting not on political office but on energetically pursuing a career in media - books, TV, FOX, paid speaking engagements...(fact).
Show me what's not true...go ahead, I am all ears.
Actions speak louder than words. She led you fools down the garden path.
July 2009 - palin quit.
Elected office that palin has run for since quitting - none.
Media career moves that palin has made since quitting...TV reality show, FOX gig, another book, paid speaking gigs, PAC money gathering despite not running for anything.
You were had chump...big time...how much of your money did she get?
Then you can quit defending him, we need to make sure that he has no influence on republican politics.
You can help us increase and promote the influence that Governor Palin has on the GOP.
I'm sure that we can count on your enthusiastic support in those two goals, of course that would mean a reversal of the role that you are playing on this thread.
Many of us Palin supporters saw this happening as it happened and were furious about it but no one would listen. And even with all the grass roots backing, she decided NOT to run. Well now we have no more choices so I guess the Rino and the dems win because they have joined forces against us.
some of the Mormons think the world will end 12/31
This will simply embolden the dem’s to try it again, and on a larger scale next time.
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