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Convention speeches: Ann Romney vs. Chris Christie
Vanity | 8/28/2012 | The Rhinelander

Posted on 08/28/2012 8:30:43 PM PDT by TheRhinelander

The buzz is that Ann Romney's speech was off the charts and that Chris Christie's speech was moderately good but didn't have the red meat people wanted. I tend to disagree. Christie's speech was fantastic but in a much more subtle way. He showed the stark differences. Thoughts?


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To: svcw

We all know mormons are heretics... some very moral, righteous, clean living condemned persons who take care of their own.

And they are worse than unbelievers exactly how?

This is a secular government, and a secular society. Christendom is implied in the Constitution and Founding, but not codified.

We all know how the Book ends. What is your point?

The Flag and the Cross diverged long ago.


151 posted on 08/28/2012 9:31:43 PM PDT by One Name
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To: bboop

You know, I think that may be part of it for me, too. I was doing things in the kitchen with it on and not giving it my full attention. By the time Christie came on, I was concentrating.
Honestly, they were both great and I liked Nikki Haley and Artur Davis, too. Both spoke with passion about the choice we have in November.


152 posted on 08/28/2012 9:31:43 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Flycatcher

“Megyn Kelly was ready to.”

Watching Juan sail off the balcony with a fur collar on would have been REAL TV. I think she is the gal that could do it, too.


153 posted on 08/28/2012 9:31:47 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Unam Sanctam

YET, he is always praising his ROMNEYCARE with cheap abortions.

What makes you so clueless? The KNOWN LIAR says....

For Evil to exist, it needs support.


154 posted on 08/28/2012 9:33:55 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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Too many were expecting Christie’s speech to be an attack on Obama and so they missed the whole point of what it was about. The second half was quite optimistic. It was a call to action. It was a speech optimistic about the possibilities of how we can fix our current crisis.

It is the tone and message that Romney should take on Thursday, to say that despite all the gridlock and political problems in Washington, we can defeat our current crisis if we have the will to do so. That was Christie’s message.


155 posted on 08/28/2012 9:34:14 PM PDT by ChronicMA
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To: gunsequalfreedom

We are all screwed and it’s going to be very bad.

God I hope I’m wrong,.


156 posted on 08/28/2012 9:34:45 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yup, you there with Christian “conviction” rather have the radical islamo-marxist foreigner rule over your life and decide how much you will dish out for his people’s abortions than a Mormon.

Yup right, conviction indeed!!!!


157 posted on 08/28/2012 9:34:46 PM PDT by parisa
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To: jwalsh07

You got that right!


158 posted on 08/28/2012 9:34:53 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

“But Obama doesn’t even “claim” to be pro life. And maybe Romney’s conversion is real. “


WRONG. Barack Obama’s argument is the SAME as Romney has begun to make:

“”No one is pro-abortion. I think it’s always a tragic situation,” said Senator Obama. He acknowledged a role for the law in dealing with abortion, saying, “I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there’s an exception for the mother’s health and life.””

http://www.catholicdemocrats.org/news/2008/10/no_one_is_proabortion_says_sen.php


159 posted on 08/28/2012 9:36:34 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: DManA

This being America a Mormon can believe whatever they want. And they can still say they have a good marriage, a real marriage.


160 posted on 08/28/2012 9:36:44 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: originalbuckeye

I loved Ann Romney’s speech. I am a woman who does not cry easily. but she brought tears to my eyes with her heartfelt words.


161 posted on 08/28/2012 9:37:41 PM PDT by nolib1776
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To: MacMattico

Attacking Ann Romney on her religion after that speech is despicable.


162 posted on 08/28/2012 9:38:41 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: MacMattico

You are ignorant of that Mormons believe. I’;m not making this up,


163 posted on 08/28/2012 9:39:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: FreeAtlanta

“The fear of Mormons is a bit sickening. Yeah, they have grown quickly as a religion, but so have others through time. I don’t fear them. Teach what you know and the truth will win out.”

I remember when I was a young son of an obviously Irish family that went to the only Catholic church in town people talking about America coming under the thumb of the Pope when JFK was running. I notice today’s socialists don’t talk about him much anymore. History is a curious thing.


164 posted on 08/28/2012 9:39:55 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“Could she be referring to Bill/Hillary?”

No. Maybe referring to p-resident Jarjar and Chewbacca’s in the White House.


165 posted on 08/28/2012 9:42:38 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Andrei Bulba

And if your marriage wasn’t sealed in a Mormon temple then Mitt and his wife don’t think you have a “real” marriage.

That’s not me. That’s what they believe.


166 posted on 08/28/2012 9:43:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Andrei Bulba

I didn’t attack Ann Romney. (?)


167 posted on 08/28/2012 9:45:02 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Unam Sanctam

But how do you really feel? /s


168 posted on 08/28/2012 9:46:10 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Common sense although common knowledge is seldom common practice.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

“Attacking Ann Romney on her religion after that speech is despicable.”

~ ~ ~

Pray for Ann’s conversion. Do you think she knows the
history of Mormonism, that it began in 1820? That one
fact should make her wonder...

Ann has a brain, she can figure out the cult of Mormonism.
Where has her husband shown any evidence of legislating for life? It’s only his “word” that he has changed.


169 posted on 08/28/2012 9:47:16 PM PDT by stpio
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To: joyce11111

Huh?


170 posted on 08/28/2012 9:47:52 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: NKP_Vet
>> Chris Christie, who says he is a Catholic, also believes you are born homosexual, and believes it’s OK to murder a child if you don’t like who the father is, as in cases of rape and incest. He is also for civil unions for homosexuals. All three of these stances go against the Catholic Church and Christie could care less. He’s another cafeteria Catholic, in the same vein as Joe Biden, but not quite as bad. <<

Christie is pro-life and pro-traditional marriage, apparently the Christie bashers are no longer able to convince people that he supports abortion or gay marriage, so now you're claiming he's "in the same vein as Joe Biden" because he "only" agrees with you about banning 99% of abortions in this country. Anything less than outlawing 100% of them makes him a TRAITOR, naturally!

As for "caring less" about stances that go against the Catholic Church, here are some positions Church officials have taken: The Pope said the Iraq War was immoral and unjust, and opposed executing Saddam Hussein, as well as opposed killing Bin Laden. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops endorsed the DREAM act giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens, and supported efforts to stop these illegal aliens from being deported. The USCCB also opposes civilian ownership of firearms, and called for more gun control laws in this country.

Do you agree with those stances? Or do you do the very thing you condemn Christie for doing -- having a slightly different opinion than Catholic officials? Do you support the church on opposing overthrowing dictators and executing terrorists, rewarding illegals, and banning guns, or are you a "cafeteria Catholic", using your own logic that anyone who doesn't follow the Church's positions 100% of the time is "in the same vein as Joe Biden"

171 posted on 08/28/2012 9:49:12 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Why how enlightened of you?
Based on the post I replied to, I stand by my statement.


172 posted on 08/28/2012 9:49:30 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: DManA
Not what her speech was about. She can believe what she wants, Romney's still much better then Obama.
173 posted on 08/28/2012 9:49:37 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: jessduntno

I didn’t say Sarah’s and Ann’s speeches were on par. I said they are both bound to be memorable.

Sarah’s was indeed electrifying, in part bc the media had already so mucked up public opinion about her abilities, that even many of us on the right were holding our breath believing disaster was about to hit. I was certainly guilty of that. But after those first few minutes of heebie-jeebies, once we realized just how good she was, the rest was exhilarating! I shall never forget it.


174 posted on 08/28/2012 9:49:50 PM PDT by parisa
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To: MacMattico

I said earlier I did not listen. My reply was to something someone said.


175 posted on 08/28/2012 9:50:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: parisa

“I didn’t say Sarah’s and Ann’s speeches were on par. I said they are both bound to be memorable.”

ABSOLUTELY! Sorry if I was unclear...I agree with you completely.


176 posted on 08/28/2012 9:51:32 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: MacMattico

A slug is better than Obama. Mitt is better than a slug.


177 posted on 08/28/2012 9:53:45 PM PDT by DManA
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To: nolib1776

I was listening to Ann Romney in the car on my way home, so I listened without seeing her. The speech really gave me the chills. She reminded me of myself, as a very young mom, with a military husband who was gone a lot ...and how I always wondered what I’d gotten myself into, lol.

I think for a nation wide debut in front of a crowd THAT large, that this lady did a particularly good job. I think sometimes ALL people underestimate mothers in general, and how tough we are.

It’s very evident that she loves the country and believes in it, and believes in success, but they also believe in sharing that success with others.

Christie was awesome. I hope Romney can be half as good.


178 posted on 08/28/2012 9:54:29 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

“I think for a nation wide debut in front of a crowd THAT large, that this lady did a particularly good job. I think sometimes ALL people underestimate mothers in general, and how tough we are.”

That’s cause you aren’t around when guys talk about their Mom. Then you’d REALLY have tears in your eyes.


179 posted on 08/28/2012 9:56:54 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: MacMattico

I was agreeing with you.


180 posted on 08/28/2012 9:58:20 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: DManA

There. Something we agree upon! And I REALLY hate slugs!


181 posted on 08/28/2012 10:00:13 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

LOL. I crave agreement.


182 posted on 08/28/2012 10:02:38 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

So anytime a Mormon says she has a good marriage or a real life marriage, you actually think you should jump up with a religion lesson to put her down?

Jews believe they and they alone are God’s chosen people. Are you able to listen to a Jew talk without a similar response?

Catholics believe they have the one holy apostolic church. Can Catholics talk about their lives without upsetting you?

Your reaction was absurd and bigoted and had nothing to do with her speech.


183 posted on 08/28/2012 10:03:09 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no ways)
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To: TheRhinelander

I’m a Conservative GOPer from New Jersey. I live here. I know what is and what isn’t.

I turn the sound off, or change the Channel when Christe speaks, just as I do when Obama speaks. Christie’ budget balancing is the same kind of gimmicks both parties have been doing in this state for decades. His reforma a less than half of whet they seem.

I will give him credit for, like Obama, from day i in office having the best PR and self promo team working for him.


184 posted on 08/28/2012 10:03:21 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Andrei Bulba

Sorry! I’ve been trying to do to many things at once and took it the wrong way!


185 posted on 08/28/2012 10:03:28 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Andrei Bulba

Temple worthy mormons get married in a secret ceremony in their temple, where only temple worthy members are allowed to attend. (only 15% of mormons are temple worthy)
Even Mrs. Romney’s parents were not allowed to attend the ceremony.
Before you chide people about their comments about mormonism, you might want to know what you are talking about.


186 posted on 08/28/2012 10:03:46 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Jews are God’s chosen, He said it Himself.


187 posted on 08/28/2012 10:06:19 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: JediJones

The G.I. Bill is not a giveaway program, you earn that money and also pay in a portion of it, unless you’re a service-connected disabled/wounded veteran, then it is totally “free” (if you consider losing a limb or eyesight no big deal) and I didn’t hear what Mrs. Romney proposed, so I’ll withhold judgement on that.


188 posted on 08/28/2012 10:06:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I am quite certain that Mrs. Romney believes he Episcopalian parents had a “Real Marriage”

I don't know where they are on the marriage scales, I know that they were forbidden to witness Ann's "Real Marriage", or even to set foot inside the building.

I'll look into it.

189 posted on 08/28/2012 10:07:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: BillyBoy

Yes the rape and incest exceptions for abortion are worthy of serious discussion, but it’s incredible that pro lifers are attacked as murderers because they would permit rape and incest abortions.

Are pregnancies and abortions following incest even a real life issue? It seems almost unheard of.


190 posted on 08/28/2012 10:10:06 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no ways)
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To: TheRhinelander

I thought both Ann and Chris spoke very well TO THEIR ASSIGNED TARGET AUDIENCES.

For better or worse, Romney is running the show his way.

We want red meat and we are served a salad.

We want to be thanked, and we get snubbed.

Politics, Romney style, is now on display.

It is different than the McCain Method, so I give a wait and see to Romney/Ryan, unless they play small ball with their Campaign.

Christy had a short leash, but was dead serious about the TRUTH that we can expect to hear from Romney.

BTW, what a rude, duffouss Brit Hume was tonight when he talked over the top of the singing of our National Anthem! Chris Matthews, you have a competitor.


191 posted on 08/28/2012 10:10:27 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
then it is totally “free” (if you consider losing a limb or eyesight no big deal)

Believe me, there are many, many injuries listed as disabilities that do not include losing a limb, or eyesight.

192 posted on 08/28/2012 10:10:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

You are ignorant of the Mormon view of marriage. It is central to their theology. You could look it up or you could continue to be ignorant. It’s up to you. I don’t care.


193 posted on 08/28/2012 10:14:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: jessduntno

You shouldn’t compare Catholics to Mormons, but you should look up your church’s teachings on Mormonism.


194 posted on 08/28/2012 10:16:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

As a disabled veteran (heart disease & related) I know that. I was using examples for those who don’t know what I mean. Please tell me you’re not like some of my East Coast relatives who believe that veterans and retirees are grifters and scum. Yes, I’m serious.


195 posted on 08/28/2012 10:16:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Both terrific and in their own personal styles.

Ann Romney was lovely, and her speech was wonderful. She spoke as a devoted wife, mother, and patriot.

Chris Christie is always fun to watch. He calls them as he sees them and that is what is needed. He is doing a great job in New Jersey.

The Dums will have a hard time topping this. They have nothing to run on, and nothing to try to sell except failure.


196 posted on 08/28/2012 10:20:54 PM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: ansel12

“You shouldn’t compare Catholics to Mormons, but you should look up your church’s teachings on Mormonism.”

I wasn’t comparing the religions, I was comparing the prejudices. Can’t believe you don’t understand that, seems like you’re just spoiling for a fight.


197 posted on 08/28/2012 10:21:02 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: DManA

No you don’t care, but I do. The Mormon view of religion is their right, and does not justify attacking a woman because she spoke well of her husband and marriage. To do so displayed YOUR religious bigotry and you seem to think you can justify such absurd behavior by telling people the Mormon policy on marriage. Not sure what barn you learned your manners in but you do not go off on a woman when she says she had a good marriage. That is not Christian behavior.


198 posted on 08/28/2012 10:22:03 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no ways)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, my dad was a partly disabled vet, I was permanently disabled in a bad parachute jump, but I hid my disability until I left a year later, because the injury was causing a physical deterioration.

I have a friend with my same injury, that collects a princely sum.

Many of my vet friends collect various disability checks.

You don’t always have to be so sensitive about being a vet, lots of us are.


199 posted on 08/28/2012 10:23:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Andrei Bulba; DManA

And you continue to display your ignorance of mormonism, while attempting to defend it.
One has to wonder why.


200 posted on 08/28/2012 10:27:14 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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