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The Future of the GOP and the Upcoming General Election
WeArePolitics.com ^ | 1/11/2012 | Bill Knowles

Posted on 01/11/2012 6:28:51 AM PST by Billlknowles

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1 posted on 01/11/2012 6:28:57 AM PST by Billlknowles
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I don’t know about you, but I thought Mitt’s victory speech in NH was a real stem-winder. The best speech I’ve heard him give and a great surprise. Perhaps he’s decided to run a really tough campaign against Obama. Hope so.


2 posted on 01/11/2012 6:32:14 AM PST by pabianice (")
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I would have liked it more if it hadn’t been entirely cribbed from real conservatives like Ronal Reagan and Rick Perry, just to name two obvious contributors. It left me totally in the dark as to the identity of the real Mitt Romney; whoever he is, he isn’t the person he was pretending to be Tuesday night.

That said, and aside from everything and anything else, I believe that Mitt Romney is absolutely the weakest and most unelectable candidate the Republican Party cold nominate this year. He’s even less electable than Ron Paul.

After the Obama machine is through with Romney, his wife wouldn’t vote for him.


3 posted on 01/11/2012 6:40:37 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: pabianice

Ugh. I will vote for the nominee since anyone is better then Zero.
BUT this campaign has reinforced my decision to leave the GOP and register as independent in 08. The GOP leadership has done a wonderful job of sucking the life and energy out of the conservative base since the election of 2010. I see no hope of real change or policies that will significantly change the current course to a fiscal disaster.


4 posted on 01/11/2012 6:42:35 AM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Billlknowles
The future of our party rests with the Conservative base who believe that abortion is wrong, taxation in its' current state is unjust, government is too big and is the problem not the solution, Israel is our friend and Hamas, the PLO, Muslim Brotherhood, Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are our enemies, a strong offense is a good defense when it comes to foreign policy, Iran shouldn't be trusted to manufacture cap guns much less nuclear weapons, anchor babies are precious gifts from our Creator but are nonetheless not our responsibility to spend tax payer money on and that our borders should be secure by any reasonable means, and that marriage should be between a man and a woman. If you agreed with most of that, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, "You may be a Conservative Republican."
A hearty amen to the truth. Conservatism is being attacked on all sides but God is our stregth and refuge, a very present help in times of trouble.
5 posted on 01/11/2012 6:43:12 AM PST by kindred (wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ ...)
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To: pabianice

I need to go back and watch it. I have no doubt he is ready to fight Obama. This guy REALLY wants to be president. He has run a brutal shadow campaign to destroy conservative options for the past 6 years to do so. He is in it to win it.

My concern with Romney, besides his clear tact to the left this cycle, is that Obama is going to make mince meat of him. Let’s hope if he prevails in the primaries that he can avoid that outcome.


6 posted on 01/11/2012 6:51:58 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: pabianice

The best speech I’ve heard him give and a great surprise. Perhaps he’s decided to run a really tough campaign against Obama. . . .

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The problem with Romney is not that he can’t give a good speech, the problem is what will he do in office, nobody knows what he would do. He seems to have such a desire to please everybody that he just may give up principle to do so. I’m afraid that Romney will care more about Gay rights than my rights, that he will care more about balancing the budget than lowering taxes or cutting spending. I am worried that he will care more about the safety of society than my 2nd amendment rights. I’m afraid that he will feel so sorry for the single mothers in society and their poor helpless babies that he will do nothing to discourage this horrid practice. I’m afraid that because he is a nice guy he will not make the hard decisions that have to made if our society is to survive and grow.

He has had a lot of speeches that talk about good solutions to all these things, the problem is his history in office is that he has never done those things. He is a Mormon. As a group they are pretty conservative people, how in the world we end up with Reid, Huntsman and Romney on the political stage when there are so many good people in that church is beyond me.

The last paragraph of the article describes what we need and it describes Rick Santorum.


7 posted on 01/11/2012 7:01:09 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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How interesting, this article calls Paul a RINO and this am on Scarborough Paul called the mainstream republican party all RINOs for TARP bailouts, Medicare expasion and NCLB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6RXavmnDRA&feature=player_embedded


8 posted on 01/11/2012 7:08:37 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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All this may be true. What is clearly true is that if we don’t get behind a Republican, Obama will win reelection — a catastrophe.


9 posted on 01/11/2012 7:12:24 AM PST by pabianice (")
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To: Billlknowles

The only thing I would add is that I think Perry might wait until the VA court decision and not just SC results and that Santorum may not be able to continue past FL if he doesn’t get additional funding.


10 posted on 01/11/2012 7:30:05 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: pabianice

Romney wants us to “get behind” one candidate and kick the others to the curb, and he wants us to do it right now.

It’s exactly how Romney will win. This whole splitting the vote thing began back before the debate marathon ramped up.

See, we get rid of all others, make it a two man primary, and Romney wins it guaranteed. He will win it based on optics, he will win it because people think it means he’s a strong man because he can stand up there and smile while another candidate delivers a mild critique of him.

He will win because he “looks” right, and sounds “good”. Optics. The dude looks good on paper.

He will win it because everyone has taken it easy on him till now, and if the others come out swinging at Romney now - they get labeled as being bitter, or desperate.

Meanwhile Romney stands there smiling serenely through it all. Unruffled, pious, presidential.

If everyone else drops out now, leaving Romney and just one other Republican, do we think that the not-Romney will pick up all of those other votes? I’ll bet it doesn’t work out that way at all.


11 posted on 01/11/2012 7:55:40 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: kindred

“You may be a Conservative Republican.”

Im sorry but the facts of life are the republicans and conservatives are, at the desire of the establishment, becoming mutually exclusive. Bush 1 drove me out of the party and there is no welcome mat at the party door anymore. The ideologcal leaning in the party is becoming more liberal, more corporatist and more secular.

I could give a shit if republicans win or not to me it is a distinction without a difference the country is toast in any regard. Conservatism is the only thing that can save this country and neither party is friend to conservatives.


12 posted on 01/11/2012 8:05:45 AM PST by Breto (The republican leadership are morons)
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Keep dreaming. Mitt will say anything he believes the sheep want to hear. So long as it suits his purpose, Mitt is all things to all people. Mitt’ record speaks loud and clear as to who he is.


13 posted on 01/11/2012 8:13:30 AM PST by sport
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do we think that the not-Romney will pick up all of those other votes? The only way Romney has a chance to beat Obama is to: 1. Do a mea culpa and renounce Romneycare as a mistake and total failure and champion the extinction of Obamacare. Coming clean may just bring back some of us who cant stand him. 2. Take the gloves off and expose the Obama regime for the commies they are. Every freedom robbing policy...every corrupt deal...every unconstitutional act.

He may then have a chance. Otherwise he will get his ass handed to him in the election. It is the only way I will even consider to vote for him.

14 posted on 01/11/2012 8:26:31 AM PST by suijuris
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I would certainly support his candidacy should he get the nomination

Meh.


15 posted on 01/11/2012 8:31:17 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party is dead. The Republic is not. At least not yet.)
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To: sport

IOW, you want Obama to win.


16 posted on 01/11/2012 8:39:15 AM PST by pabianice (")
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I can see Obama ads now-—

Mitt’s a real nice guy! He’s willing to change his views to help others!(Pictures and voice reels of all Mitt’s flip-flops)

I care about everyone, but I have to stand my ground on what I believe! (Various pious poses with grand words...save the oppressed, etc....)

Final: (Picture Obama bathed in light) “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. I stand for America”


17 posted on 01/11/2012 8:41:40 AM PST by daisy mae for the usa
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To: reed13k

Very good point!


18 posted on 01/11/2012 9:08:15 AM PST by Billlknowles
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To: pabianice
What I want don't matter. I did not want him to win the first time. I even went so far as voting for Mc Cain to prevent him from winning. The people who control the Republican Party want him to win. Why? Because they think that 2016 will be their turn and, as another poster posted they will run Jeb Bush.

And as far as Romney is concerned, if John Mc Cain cannot tell the difference between him and obama, how can I?

19 posted on 01/11/2012 9:08:33 AM PST by sport
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“BUT this campaign has reinforced my decision to leave the GOP and register as independent in 08.”

The only problem with this is that if you are in a “closed primary” state, you can no longer influence the choosing of a [future] Republican candidate with your vote. You are “self-excluding” yourself from the process.

“The GOP leadership has done a wonderful job of sucking the life and energy out of the conservative base since the election of 2010. I see no hope of real change or policies that will significantly change the current course to a fiscal disaster.”

Nor do I — and it probably wouldn’t matter even if one of the more “conservative” Republicans won the nomination and the subsequent election (or elections to come).

The left (and the media) would do everything within their power (and that’s quite a bit) to stifle and prevent “real change”. Quite frankly, I don’t even think “conservatives” within the Congress (and that includes bona fide “Tea Party” types) would have the intestinal fortitude to pull the nation back from the brink that seems to be coming down the line.

The two parties in Congress are like Thelma and Louise, seated across from one another, heading down the highway at full speed towards the inevitable cliff on the horizon.

Perhaps the awful truth about the “fiscal disaster” that is coming is that there will be NO politically-acceptable way to prevent it UNTIL it has happened and the nation is in chaos (and that may be more than just financial chaos). And even then, the solutions aren’t going to be very good ones.

I wish I could be more optimistic about this, but I’m not...

I guess what Peggy Lee sang long ago was right:
Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
Well, if that’s all there is,
Let’s break out the booze and have a ball...
If that’s all....


20 posted on 01/11/2012 9:41:40 AM PST by Road Glide
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