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Ron Paul says unemployment is 20%
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Posted on 10/23/2011 7:18:00 PM PDT by alexmai

Edited on 10/23/2011 7:21:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

“I think the downturn in the economy occurred in the year 2000,” Paul told CNN, adding that there have been no new jobs since then “and yet we’ve had a 30 million increase in population.”

“Just go out and talk to the people – unemployment rate in the true numbers (is) over 20%, so there’s been a depression,” Paul said after an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”


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1 posted on 10/23/2011 7:18:01 PM PDT by alexmai
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To: alexmai

I don’t have too many issues with Ron Paul’s economic / libertarian views, it’s when he starts speaking about cultural issues and foreign policy that he makes me nervous.


2 posted on 10/23/2011 7:21:31 PM PDT by YankeeReb (No matter what, AB0 in 2012.)
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To: alexmai

Twenty percent is bascially stating that our economy is getting butchered. I also think it’s a lot more accurate.


3 posted on 10/23/2011 7:21:57 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: alexmai

Addressing just the headline, Paul is right, US unemployment is right around 20%.


4 posted on 10/23/2011 7:23:18 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: YankeeReb

The problem with a libertarian and foreign policy is I have the feeling that libertarians aren’t likely to appreciate the need of following a set structure of protocol to ensure that no one is offended.


5 posted on 10/23/2011 7:23:27 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: alexmai

He’s right about this. Government statistics are a lie when it comes to unemployment and actual inflation.


6 posted on 10/23/2011 7:24:47 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: alexmai

Looks like Paul is splitting the difference between the Labor Dept.’s U6 figure and Shadow Statistics’ figure.


7 posted on 10/23/2011 7:25:00 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: alexmai

You’ve posted a total of ten threads since joining FR in July, yet you haven’t posted a single reply.

Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.


8 posted on 10/23/2011 7:27:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: alexmai
Everybody says Paul is too far out there to be president.
I'm starting to think that he is sane and the rest of us are the crazy ones.
getting rid of five useless federal departments may seem crazy but they don't really serve any purpose, we can't afford them, and they are probably unconstitutional. So who are the crazy ones?
9 posted on 10/23/2011 7:28:49 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Democrats have no superego.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Addressing just the headline, Paul is right,
US unemployment is right around 20%.

Agree, If not more....
the Liberals Marxists, are committed to
destroying the American Middle class.
the Wealthy can move away / pay protection $$$$$


10 posted on 10/23/2011 7:30:07 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: YankeeReb

yeah, the Founders were rubes. We’re better off spending hundreds of billions annually in a Quixotic bid to shape world governments. Why shouldn’t we get thousands of Americans killed and tens of thousands of Americans wounded establishing ‘Islamic Republics’, and defending arab kings? I mean, it’s not like we have to borrow trillions of dollars from other nations that don’t have our interests at heart to do it or anything. What’s the worst that could result?


11 posted on 10/23/2011 7:31:43 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: alexmai

12 posted on 10/23/2011 7:33:35 PM PDT by FritzG
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To: 3Fingas; Niuhuru

The Ron Paul S.W.A.G. He has a job. For the government. So what does he really know? IMO, add 10 more points.


13 posted on 10/23/2011 7:36:17 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: oldbrowser
getting rid of five useless federal departments may seem crazy
but they don't really serve any purpose, we can't afford them

sounds pretty sane to me....


14 posted on 10/23/2011 7:39:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: YankeeReb

Same here. I agree with him on economics but I have to cover my face and groan when he starts pouting off about the other stuff.


15 posted on 10/23/2011 7:41:06 PM PDT by max americana
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16 posted on 10/23/2011 7:44:24 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: alexmai
But how is Ron Paul basing his 20% figure? Given that government calculations for unemployment rate can be all over the place, an accurate figure in modern times is at times hard to come by.

Besides, this is why we need MAJOR tax reform, at least to Steve Forbes' flat-rate income tax plan. That way, businesses are encouraged to keep their liquid assets and capital investments in the USA because of being tax advantageous to do so.

17 posted on 10/23/2011 7:51:16 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: FritzG
Great labor graphic


Pre__sent Oblah..blah, You can run, but you can't hide the facts....Your a Failure

18 posted on 10/23/2011 7:52:00 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: alexmai

Even a stopped cukoo clock is right twice a day.


19 posted on 10/23/2011 8:01:36 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: max americana

After reading Richard Maybury’s Uncle Eric series, and reading more and more on economics, I must say that libertarian worldview and economics is attractive and eye opening. As a coherent worldview it holds together nicely and has interesting perspctives.


20 posted on 10/23/2011 8:02:43 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I don’t think the liberals WANT to destroy middle class. They just do not understand how economy works. The reason socialism took root in many countries is exactly because on surface it sounds fair and just. All one has to do is observe economies in socialist countries, and the inescapable conclusion is socialism is trickle up poverty. Formerly socialist/marxist countries are moving away from it after suffering 1st hand from its effects. Examples are China, Eastern Europe, India and others.

The problem here in US is that socialist agenda is relatively new and people have not had time to digest its wealth robbing effects. Although experience of last 3 or 4 years has started to awaken people, at least I am hoping it has.


21 posted on 10/23/2011 8:04:18 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Perry is a good man but his one on one debates with Obama keeps me awake at nights.)
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To: alexmai

Gee if he only got there are bad guy out there who don’t like freedom in any form and want to kill us he might be a fine candidate.


22 posted on 10/23/2011 8:10:07 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Windflier
You’ve posted a total of ten threads since joining FR in July, yet you haven’t posted a single reply.

Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.

Relax. I've posted all replies and no threads, so I'll cover for him.

23 posted on 10/23/2011 8:20:06 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: oldbrowser
Everybody says Paul is too far out there to be president. I'm starting to think that he is sane and the rest of us are the crazy ones.

After all that has happened, "far out there" should be a positive.

Or we can go on electing another mainstream candidate, and keep getting what we've been getting.

24 posted on 10/23/2011 8:22:19 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: alexmai
One thing to keep in mind is that the unemployment rate is highly dependent on the skill set. Just try to find a halfway decent software engineer right now. I was trying to hire one, and after a nationwide posting, we got one applicant, and we pay very well. We finally turned to headhunters.

I heard a similar story from a guy who opened up a manufacturing plant, and all he was looking for was people to run the automated machinery. He needed basic math and reading skills, and the pay was decent enough, maybe 2-3 times minimum. He had many applicants, but the vast majority couldn't even pass the basic math and reading skills. I don't know if he ever was able to fill the jobs.

Other areas, such as real estate, have been devastated. It's not easy to retrain, either. It takes about 10 years to master anything, and if you haven't mastered it, you're back at the bottom with the low-level people clawing your way up.

When you collect together the people who can't find work, the people who have no usable skills, the people who could take another job but won't start a career all over again, and the people who prefer unemployment, yes 20% is possible.

25 posted on 10/23/2011 8:35:56 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: federal__reserve
The reason socialism took root in many countries is exactly because on surface it sounds fair and just.
All one has to do is observe economies in socialist countries, and the
inescapable conclusion is
socialism is trickle up poverty.

ahhh.....Humanism; on the march, again....
the excuse of many authoritarian systems...the Fabians
..."its' for the people...chil'ren"


26 posted on 10/23/2011 8:45:32 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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at 25%, they will start turning feral... in some places i think it's already happening
27 posted on 10/23/2011 8:48:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Windflier
Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.

Suspicious? I'd say more likely timid.

28 posted on 10/23/2011 8:50:44 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: max americana

“I agree with him on economics but I have to cover my face and groan when he starts pouting off about the other stuff.”

I am with you. I just shake my head and groan.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 8:54:42 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: svcw

If we didn’t support A-H’s like the Saudis there might be a lot fewer people who want to kill us.


30 posted on 10/23/2011 9:20:31 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Windflier; alexmai
> (To alexmai) You’ve posted a total of ten threads since joining FR in July, yet you haven’t posted a single reply. Just so you know, that’s considered extremely bad form around here, and makes you suspicious in the eyes of many forum regulars.

I wish to second Windflier's observation, and note that two hours later, there are STILL no replies from alexmai.

This poster is starting to smell bad. I don't like the smell of post-and-runners, even if (as in this case) I appreciate and enjoy the thread itself.

31 posted on 10/23/2011 9:26:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ElectronVolt

“He needed basic math and reading skills, and the pay was decent enough, maybe 2-3 times minimum. He had many applicants, but the vast majority couldn’t even pass the basic math and reading skills.”

Oh Baloney.
I know plenty of people with sharp math and English skills, drug free, good workers and eminently trainable who can’t find a job because every employer wants 5 years of technical training, 10 years of experience and wants to pay a buck above minimum wage.
If you (generic, not you specifically) aren’t willing to train an American before you hire someone from outside the country you deserve to go out of business. The problem isn’t with the workforce, it’s with employers spoilt by illegal immigrants they can abuse and fire at will and H1-B slaves who will work for less than a fellow citizen. I could point your friend to a half dozen three digit IQ folks who can learn anything and will be there on time any day, any shift, and if he wanted to he, or you, could find dozens in any city of any size.


32 posted on 10/23/2011 9:27:37 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: alexmai

While I agree we are facing a much larger rate today, the idea that no jobs were created since 2000 is a massive lie and preposterous idea. We saw several years of very low unemployment and high job creation. The libs tried to pretend that the slump in 08 and slide in jobs negated the previous 7 years. This is yet another example of Paul pushing liberal lies.


33 posted on 10/23/2011 9:28:59 PM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: ElectronVolt
Relax. I've posted all replies and no threads, so I'll cover for him.

At least you've been talking for four years, and folks know who you are. This one's giving us the silent treatment.

How can you cover for someone who doesn't respond to straight communication? Is he your buddy or something?

34 posted on 10/23/2011 9:36:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Suspicious? I'd say more likely timid.

Timid people don't post threads and invite direct communication.

35 posted on 10/23/2011 9:37:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; ElectronVolt
> How can you cover for someone who doesn't respond to straight communication? Is he your buddy or something?

I interpreted ElectronVolt's comment about "covering for him" as tongue-in-cheek, that is, that their posting histories were inverses, so they "averaged out".

36 posted on 10/23/2011 9:41:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
This poster is starting to smell bad. I don't like the smell of post-and-runners, even if (as in this case) I appreciate and enjoy the thread itself.

I concur with both your points. I can't see any reason why this poster shouldn't interact with those who are replying to him/her. Nothing all that suspicious about the threads they've posted. Just their refusal to reply.

When a veteran Freeper posts and runs, I don't think twice about it, but this isn't normal newbie behavior.

37 posted on 10/23/2011 9:43:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: dayglored; ElectronVolt
I interpreted ElectronVolt's comment about "covering for him" as tongue-in-cheek, that is, that their posting histories were inverses, so they "averaged out".

I was sort of picking up that his post was tongue-in-cheek, but it's late, and my sense of humor ain't so sharp.

38 posted on 10/23/2011 9:46:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ilgipper
'We saw several years of very low unemployment and high job creation.'

Yes! But, that was thru a creation of a bubble. That's the point, the larger the bubble creation, the more the suffering. As for the job creation, yes, its null and void from bad policy. Just, as the mythic wealth creation, by simply using your house as an atm. The only thing we are creating of late, is debt.

39 posted on 10/23/2011 10:49:46 PM PDT by FritzG
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To: alexmai

Right


40 posted on 10/23/2011 11:08:55 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: bigheadfred

I think if he added ten percent more, there would be the beginning of real riots, not just these silly protests.


41 posted on 10/24/2011 12:51:40 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Really? islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for more than a 1000 years.


42 posted on 10/24/2011 6:00:21 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Windflier
Timid people don't post threads and invite direct communication.

Yes they do, all the time. It's called growth.

By the way, who appointed you hall monitor?

43 posted on 10/24/2011 7:48:25 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"Timid people don't post threads and invite direct communication."

Yes they do, all the time. It's called growth.

That makes no sense whatsoever, unless you're talking about a child. And no, most new members to this forum do not behave like this "all the time."

By the way, who appointed you hall monitor?

Who appointed you Chief Judge of the Forum Court? You gonna issue me a restraining order? Sheeeesh.....

44 posted on 10/24/2011 8:09:07 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
When I see the hit-and-run posters, I can't help but wonder; are we having our temperature taken, or are they merely trying to influence?

A real pro would hang around a little, act friendly etc., before ramming the thermometer in.

This one is either a loner, a bit lazy, or just can't write or speak well on their own.

We've all seen a few of the latter. Often enough such individuals are found to be brittle, if one can ever draw them out.

It becomes apparent they cannot speak or write well, and they get their panties in a bunch when they or their opinions are challenged. Along with all of that, evidence of an exaggerated sense of self-importance will come to light.

In other words, they could fit right in around here, if they really wanted to. ;^)

45 posted on 10/24/2011 8:56:31 AM PDT by 7MMmag
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To: Windflier
Who appointed you Chief Judge of the Forum Court?

If you spot it, you got it.

46 posted on 10/24/2011 9:04:05 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: svcw

“Really? islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for more than a 1000 years.”

no doubt. But consider that we did a lot to help grow the radical and violent strain if Islam (of course it has always existed), we supported the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban as counterweights against the Soviets and we still have politicians and pundits with their nose deeply stuck up the Saudi bunghole.

My point isn’t that we do or don’t have a problem with radical Islam (see my tagline for my personal opinion), it’s that Ron Paul and other “isolationists” are at least partly right, our foreign policy, like anything else the government does, is best when it is least. Trying to ensure that other sovereign states have governments friendly to us is as likely to backfire in the long run as it is to do any good in the near term.

just my .02, but I want Washington engaging in no more intervention regafding in who rules what, where and how outside our borders than I want it manipulating our economy inside our borders.


47 posted on 10/24/2011 10:34:06 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: 7MMmag
This one is either a loner, a bit lazy, or just can't write or speak well on their own.

I suspect that this one is somewhere up that alley.

Sometimes folks sign up without lurking long enough to get a feel for the community standards. In those cases, they're usually type A personalities who jump right in with both feet, and wind up having rather interesting initiation periods.

Still, I think it's odd behavior to start lots of discussions without posting a single word, or responding to direct communications.

48 posted on 10/24/2011 4:37:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Ok, so even though islam has been trying to kill Jews and Christians for over 1000 years, you think we have (in the last 25 years) exasperated the situation? Weird.


49 posted on 10/24/2011 8:10:48 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: FritzG
Yes! But, that was thru a creation of a bubble. That's the point, the larger the bubble creation, the more the suffering. As for the job creation, yes, its null and void from bad policy. Just, as the mythic wealth creation, by simply using your house as an atm. The only thing we are creating of late, is debt.

Bubbles are part of the system. Two dollars earned in a bubble is the same as one earned during and one after. This bubble did not start in 2000. Paul is incorrect, and is playing into leftist talking points that somehow things were great until ol' George Bush came along. The housing bubble began long before Bush's inauguration and in fact helped drive the growth of the 90s. In addition, there was an additional tech bubble in the 90s that had the same effect. The bottom line is most everyone was doing just fine until 2007 and to discount nearly full employment for a period of years is simply dishonest. In any one year if we had good GDP growth and low unemployment, chalk it up in the books as a good year for the people of this country. I am not discounting your concerns about the debt problem, and certainly the financial collapse has been very damaging. That said, our situation today would not be nearly so dire if the government wasn't heavy handed in micromanaging the economy. We'd be back on the upswing 2 years ago if the government simply stayed out of it, vowed to keep the tax burden low, and minimized the massive regulatory burden.

50 posted on 10/25/2011 7:20:23 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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