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Proposal to Amend the US Constitution: The 28th Amendment.
March 23rd 2010

Posted on 04/05/2010 12:49:59 PM PDT by Presto

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1 posted on 04/05/2010 12:49:59 PM PDT by Presto
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To: Presto

Just put the senator being elected from the states and most of the nonsense that has occurred since direct election of senators would be fixed.

Right now the states have no say at the federal level.


2 posted on 04/05/2010 12:52:22 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Presto

I seem to have missed how you would raise taxes to support a real war.


3 posted on 04/05/2010 12:53:47 PM PDT by Rapscallion (I have a dog in this fight.)
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To: Rapscallion

From the States’ treasuries. Why would there be a shortage of funds?


4 posted on 04/05/2010 12:55:17 PM PDT by Presto
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To: Presto
AMENDMENT 28. Title: Congressional Powers of Taxation Restricted and Revised.....

DREAM ON.

5 posted on 04/05/2010 12:57:00 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: for-q-clinton

for-q-clinton,

I am neutral on whether Senators should be appointed by their State governments. But taking the democratic power from a State’s citizens to elect their Senators would not be popularly supported.

Also, it would not create the desired salutary competition between Federal and State governments that this proposed Amendment.


6 posted on 04/05/2010 12:58:49 PM PDT by Presto
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Better idea: A Constitutional Amendment forbidding Congress from exempting itself or any members of their staffs from any law they pass.

Social Security? They're in it.

Obamacare? They're in it.

If we have to live with it, they have to live with it. Watch 90% of their schemes die aborning.

7 posted on 04/05/2010 12:59:46 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: for-q-clinton

I wouldn’t let the NY State legislature name a truant officer let alone a US Senator.


8 posted on 04/05/2010 1:00:47 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: GoldenPup

Why dream, when we can have reality? The Congress does not get to decide whether the Constitution is amended. And Congress does not get to ratify any proposed Amendment. The Amendment I am offering here empowers the States. And States ARE the political entities that ratify Amendments to the Constitution. And this Amendment removes the Federal Government’s powerful hand from the pockets of private citizens. - That might be appealing to an educated voting population.


9 posted on 04/05/2010 1:02:26 PM PDT by Presto
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To: Presto

I personally like this. I have always believed that the Fed’s ONLY function is war. It is up to the states to educate and feed the poor.

If welfare and health care were handled on the state and local levels they would be much more effective.


10 posted on 04/05/2010 1:02:28 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: GoldenPup

to be blunt, such an amendment would have been possible only when the franchise was restricted to property-owners, and those married to property-owners.

of course if the franchise were thus restricted such an amendment would not have been necessary.


11 posted on 04/05/2010 1:02:46 PM PDT by jtal
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To: Presto

While I dont see it happening I like the idea.


12 posted on 04/05/2010 1:08:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxes delayed"))
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To: Lurker

Lurker,

I have heard of the Amendment proposal of which you speak. But the fact is, all members of Congress are required to pay social security taxes; so they are already in it. Upon retirement, they will be eligible for SS benefits (assuming the Federal Government hasn’t gone broke). The same will be true of Obamacare. What that other Amendment proposal seemed to be getting at is not to keep Congress from exempting themselves from the law (since in no case are they) - but rather to curtail the payment they receive for their public “service” as representatives. But the 27th Amendment already to does this to some extent.


13 posted on 04/05/2010 1:08:43 PM PDT by Presto
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GoldenPup,

Why would the proposed Amendment be impossible unless the franchise were restricted to property-owners?


14 posted on 04/05/2010 1:11:00 PM PDT by Presto
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To: Presto

As it was and as it should be.

IRS should be two part-time bureaucrats whose job is to cash 64 checks (states + territories) annually. They wouldn’t even need more than two shotguns...


15 posted on 04/05/2010 1:15:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Presto
Congress shall not grant tax exemptions, deductions, or credits to any State except in cases of relief assistance for catastrophe and strain.

Oops. I forsee emergency after emergency. Revise to say 3/4's vote of Congress to declare an emergency and sunset in one year time frame.

16 posted on 04/05/2010 1:27:11 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (There is no such thing as a conservative democrat - Rinse - Repeat)
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VRW Conspirator,

The additional clause you suggest seems fine and in order.

But realize that Congressional declarations of catastrophe occurring within a State will in no way authorize the Congress to lay and collect additional taxes. If Congress declares a catastrophe (whether by simple bicameral majority or super bicameral majority) at that point they can grant a tax exemption, deduction, or credit to the State under strain. So there is no motivation for even a plurality (or even a sizable minority)of representatives to give a State a big ol’ honkin’ tax break. That doesn’t put revenue in their US Treasury - it takes money out.


17 posted on 04/05/2010 1:36:44 PM PDT by Presto
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To: Presto
The Congress shall not have power to lay and collect income taxes, excise taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, and capitation taxes within the borders of any State...

They would just call it by another name, say, the transfer of money tax, or the "that's a pretty house and you sure wouldn't want anything to happen to it" tax, take the state percentage and charge it to you.

Amendments only worked when words meant something.
18 posted on 04/05/2010 1:50:21 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide,

That is not an argument against the specific merits of this Amendment proposal. That sounds like an argument that the Constitution itself is not longer operable law. I can’t agree.


19 posted on 04/05/2010 1:56:24 PM PDT by Presto
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To: xkaydet65

but look at the map...most states are conservative so we would be a leg up. Plus they couldn’t be worse than chuck schumer.


20 posted on 04/05/2010 1:56:38 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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