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Why the Modern View of the Book of Revelation may be Flawed.
ADW ^ | 25th November 2012 | Msgr Charles Pope

Posted on 04/19/2024 7:25:09 AM PDT by Cronos

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To: Reily
Luther didn’t think Paul was the author.

Here I am foolishly thinking for all these years that God wrote the scriptures. Either Jesus was who He said He was or He wasn't, if he wasn't then what does it matter? How about taking Him at His Word.

21 posted on 04/19/2024 9:05:11 AM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: Cronos
It is correct that many scholars place the date of the composition of the Book of Revelation between 90-110 AD. I as a non-scholar contest this and assert it had to occur before the destruction of the Temple. I think scholars believe the AD 90 date is because they did not verify the work of another.

I'll read further.

22 posted on 04/19/2024 9:08:34 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: lurk
No events in the First Century, even the raid by Titus in 70 ad, remotely resemble the scope, sequence and finality of prophetic scripture.

You think the almost complete destruction of the city of Jerusalem and the Second Temple is lacking in scope and finality?

Jerusalem was rebuilt, but not by Jews; by Roman pagans, Byzantine Christians, and Turkish Muslims.

The Temple has not been rebuilt in almost 2000 years.

Sounds like finality to me.

23 posted on 04/19/2024 9:11:33 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Cronos
Hitchcock's dissertation dismantles the preterist date for Revelation ...

https://pre-trib.org/media/k2/assets/Documents/hitchcock-dissertation.pdf

24 posted on 04/19/2024 9:19:38 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: Cronos

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25 posted on 04/19/2024 9:32:09 AM PDT by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yes!

The fields are white for harvest!


26 posted on 04/19/2024 9:40:16 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: Angelino97

Exactly!


27 posted on 04/19/2024 9:41:34 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: Cronos

Thank you. More need to learn this


28 posted on 04/19/2024 10:09:43 AM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: circlecity

Or not


29 posted on 04/19/2024 10:10:13 AM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Angelino97

And why did he tell us to watch for it?


30 posted on 04/19/2024 10:57:45 AM PDT by roving (Deplorable Listless Vessel Trumpist With Trumpitis and a Rainbow Bully)
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To: Nifster

It doesn’t match up with what’s coming.


31 posted on 04/19/2024 10:58:36 AM PDT by roving (Deplorable Listless Vessel Trumpist With Trumpitis and a Rainbow Bully)
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To: roving
And why did he tell us to watch for it?

Jesus did not tell us to watch for the Last Days.

He told His "generation" to watch for the destruction of Jerusalem, which was to occur within the lifetime of His listeners.

Matthew 24:34

Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

And His followers heeded His warning and fled Jerusalem, escaping to Pella.

Yes, the Olivet Discourse is hard to understand, because it contains prophecies for both the immediate and distant future, some of it told via symbolism and allegories.

32 posted on 04/19/2024 11:30:14 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Too many people spend too much time trying to prove everything in the first chapter of Genesis.

Too many people spend too much time trying to prove everything in the book of Revelation.

Here's a little something fun:

The first letter of the Torah is the letter bet (בית) -- the first letter of Bereshith, "in the beginning".

The last letter of Revelation is the letter nu (νῦ) of "Amen."

Of course, one letter is Hebrew and the other Greek. Can't combine them to make a word out of them like that, but as with math, convert to "like terms" and,

The letter nu in Hebrew is spelled "נו".

Now to add them together:

בית + נו = ביתבו

בֵּיתֵנוּ

beitenu

"our home"

The first letter of the Torah + the last letter of Revelation.

The merge of the spelling of those letters is "תֵנ", "ten!":

תֵּן!‏
ten!
(to a man) give!

It is what is between those they should be reading and comprehending.

As for the sums of the first and last [words], there's no conversion required. Bereshith [בְּרֵאשִׁית] = 913, and Amen [Ἀμήν] = 99

Therefore, "In the beginning, Amen" adds up to 1012, the same as the beginning of Isa 9:1:

"The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light"

הָעָם הַהֹלְכִים בַּחֹשֶׁךְ רָאוּ אוֹר גָּדוֹל

33 posted on 04/19/2024 12:29:56 PM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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To: lurk
The author is a stranger to the OT prophets.

Good grief.

34 posted on 04/19/2024 12:39:21 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina (The time is out of joint. - Hamlet)
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To: Cronos

Sounds like more Counter Reformation Preterist gibberish. Every Reformer knew, FROM THE BIBLE, that the 1st beast of Revelation was the Papacy. Same for Daniel’s Little Horn, and Paul’s Man of Sin and Son of Perdition. Same for ANYONE during that time that studied the bible, such as Sir Isaac Newton.


35 posted on 04/19/2024 1:59:23 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Cronos

“may be Flawed.”

That says it all. You could also say this whole article may be bullshit.


36 posted on 04/19/2024 2:04:04 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Cronos
The Msgr is a Preterist??

Are we to take it he believes the Second Coming and all of the OT/NT prophecies have been fulfilled?

Perhaps he adheres to a "second, Second Coming" as some have tried to advance on these forums.

37 posted on 04/19/2024 2:04:48 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Cronos

So the modern scholars know more than Ireneus who was around back then.
Ireneus knew Polycarp, who actually knew John. But never mind.
Got it.


38 posted on 04/19/2024 3:41:29 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Cronos

Bkmk


39 posted on 04/19/2024 3:43:34 PM PDT by sauropod (Ne supra crepidam)
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To: ealgeone

You beat me to posting that I don’t see the difference between Monsignor Pope’s writing here and your run of the mill preterist. I would like to hear what the Monsignor would say about that.


40 posted on 04/19/2024 5:23:43 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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